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Proposal: Tage Thompson for Dylan Larkin

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Who wins the trade?

  • Buffalo

    Votes: 105 34.5%

  • Detroit

    Votes: 128 42.1%

  • Both

    Votes: 7 2.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 60 19.7%

  • Everyone

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Total voters
    304
elmaco said:
He doesn't to be honest, at least optimally. The Yzerplan failed and i expect him not to be a part of any future playoff success in the time frame Detroit could realistically get good again. He feels like a guy best traded to supplement another team on the cusp of success, like Tavares for Toronto, obviously he wasn't traded but it was kinda the same thing.
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He’s 28 and signed for 6 more years on a team friendly deal. He’s from the Detroit suburbs, went to Michigan, and he’s the captain. He’s not getting moved lol.
 
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These are both good players who have been better than the rest of their team by similar margins. Thompson's 5v5 possession play is undervalued, and Larkin's 5v5 offensive play is undervalued.

Thompson for the past 4 years has been strongly positive in 5v5 G%, and xG%.

And obviously the entire premise they'd be swapped is just daft, they're cornerstones of their teams.
 
toddkaz said:
He was? Did someone take away his 40 goal season? With your logic no one in the NHL is a 50 goal scorer cause its the past. No one in the nhl is 100 point scorer cause it was in the past. Thats what you are saying right? They were though.

So McDavid is a 100 point player or McDavid was 100 point player cause he doesn't have 100 points this year. I am just trying to get a grasp on your logic.
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Your attempt to make my argument into something it isn’t, won’t work. Don’t put words in my mouth when that’s not what I said at all. The post I responded to ignored that Thompson has only had one 40+ goal season but every other season of his career, he was under 40 goals. Yet, you’re using that one 40+ goal season to label him as a 40-50 goal scorer when talking about his current and future level. Has he been a 40 goal scorer? Of course. He’s also been a 20+ goal scorer and 30+ goal scorer and yet in that post, that’s ignored and only labeling him due to the one season. He’s not a regular 40+ goal scorer and thus should not be labeled a 40-50 goal scorer when every other year of his career was under 40 goals. Saying someone has achieved 40 goals is very different than saying he’s a 40 goal scorer when that’s not his norm. Connor McDavid has been a 100+ point player in just about every season of his career and is also pacing for it this season. He’s the very definition of a 100+ point player. So, no, don’t try and twist what I’m saying into something as foolish as that. Ryan Nugent Hopkins scored 100 points a couple of years ago. Once in his career. Nobody is calling him a 100+ point player. Are you going to describe him as a 100 point player when talking about his value?
 
Crazy8oooo said:
Your attempt to make my argument into something it isn’t, won’t work. Don’t put words in my mouth when that’s not what I said at all. The post I responded to ignored that Thompson has only had one 40+ goal season but every other season of his career, he was under 40 goals. Yet, you’re using that one 40+ goal season to label him as a 40-50 goal scorer when talking about his current and future level. Has he been a 40 goal scorer? Of course. He’s also been a 20+ goal scorer and 30+ goal scorer and yet in that post, that’s ignored and only labeling him due to the one season. He’s not a regular 40+ goal scorer and thus should not be labeled a 40-50 goal scorer when every other year of his career was under 40 goals. Saying someone has achieved 40 goals is very different than saying he’s a 40 goal scorer when that’s not his norm. Connor McDavid has been a 100+ point player in just about every season of his career and is also pacing for it this season. He’s the very definition of a 100+ point player. So, no, don’t try and twist what I’m saying into something as foolish as that. Ryan Nugent Hopkins scored 100 points a couple of years ago. Once in his career. Nobody is calling him a 100+ point player. Are you going to describe him as a 100 point player when talking about his value?
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Its not my argument its yours. Even though Thompson is on track for 40 goals this year and did it previously you refuse to admit he is a 40 goal scorer for some bizarre reason.

When you say things like "regular 40 goal scorer" it becomes fiction as you are just making things up. There is no standard here. You are just deciding on the go what you want the rules to be.
 
Dirty Dog said:
Making a semantics-based argument when you are wrong semantically is certainly a choice. He scored 47 goals two years ago, that’s a 40 goal scorer

In the last three years he has 38 goals in 78 games, 47 goals in 78 games, 29 goals in 71 games. And this year he is pacing for 41 goals in 76 games.

The outlier year is the 29 goal season, when he played injured. He has 47 and 38 goals in the other two years, and is pacing for over 40 goals this year…by what definition is he not a 40 goal scorer?


An example of what you’re saying is like if someone said Dylan Larkin was a PPG center. He’s never done that across a full season, so that would be a bit dishonest. He’s gotten close, and has been PPG across a season while playing sixty something games, but he’s not a PPG center. I don’t think anyone would claim he is a PPG type player, but that’s an example. Tage, on the other hand, has actually scored 40 goals before (and recently). That’s why he is a 40 goal scorer
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Factually, he’s hit 40 goals once
In his career. Describing him as a 40-50 goal scorer when talking about his value is misleading. Every other season of his career was under 40 goals. Thats a fact. You can use pace all you want but that still doesn’t amount to hitting 40 goals in a season. Will he hit 40 this season? He’s got a good chance but who’s to say he’ll end with 40? He can miss games, go on a slump, etc. He’s averaged 38 goals the past 3 seasons and is pacing this year for right around 40. It would be more fair to say he’s around a 40 goal scorer than 40-50 when describing him.

As for your Larkin analogy. It’s exactly the same as the Thompson situation that I’m arguing. You’re trying to make them different but they’re not. Thompson hit 40 once in a season just like Larkin finished a season as a ppg player once. Should Larkin be described as a ppg player? Not in my eyes. But it’s the same as Thompson. He shouldn’t be described as a 40-50 goal scorer when he’s hit 40 once. How do you see those two as different?
 
toddkaz said:
Its not my argument its yours. Even though Thompson is on track for 40 goals this year and did it previously you refuse to admit he is a 40 goal scorer for some bizarre reason.

When you say things like "regular 40 goal scorer" it becomes fiction as you are just making things up. There is no standard here. You are just deciding on the go what you want the rules to be.
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Bro. You called him a 40-50 goal scorer when he’s hit 40 goals once in his career. And somehow you’re now moving the goal posts into arguing that he’s a 40 goal scorer because he’s been close one other season and is pacing for 40 this season. So maybe call him a 40 goal scorer and not a 40-50 goal scorer when hes
Not been close to 50 outside of that one season. Thats my argument. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
How can he be a regular 40 goal scorer if he’s only done it once? Let’s pump the brakes and give him some time before we crown him with accolades he hasn’t yet achieved.
 
I'd do it as a wings fan just as a change of pace. Tage a little younger, a little cheaper, sure why not? We know what we're getting with Larkin and historically it just hasn't been enough.

That being said I could see why both sides would prefer their players. It's pretty close value. Any side saying acting insulted needs to take off the homer glasses. Tage has higher ceiling and lower floor, Larkin more of the safe pick. That being said it's a moot point, Yzerman would never move Larkin since he's the Captain and hometown kid.
 
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So, where is Detroit now? Any chance they are good before Larkin wants out? I am looking at this roster and outside of your top 4 point producers, yikes. Kane and Tarasenko are ready to fall off the cliff. I'd love to take Larkin off your hands for something like Byram/Cozens Ostlund 2026 first.

Tage for Larkin does nothing for either team.
 
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TageGod said:
So, where is Detroit now? Any chance they are good before Larkin wants out? I am looking at this roster and outside of your top 4 point producers, yikes. Kane and Tarasenko are ready to fall off the cliff. I'd love to take Larkin off your hands for something like Byram/Cozens Ostlund 2026 first.

Tage for Larkin does nothing for either team.
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Well, if Larkin breaks his neck and wants a surgery our management doesn't approve of, and then we land in a situation where we have to trade him for pennies on the dollar, then we may be in trouble.

"Outside your top 4 point producers" lmao. Turns out outside most teams' Top 4 point producers, they kinda suck.

"Tarasenko ready to call off the cliff." Tarasenko's body is already cold and somewhat rotten at the bottom of the cliff. Welcome to 2025.
 
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Crazy8oooo said:
Yes, he was a 40 goal scorer once. Calling him a 40-50 goal scorer, however, based on the one season isn’t really being honest. He had 38 the season before and 29 the season after. So he’s more of a 30-40 goal scorer thus far with an outlier season. And he’s pacing for 39 this season which also fits into the 30-40 range. Using his single highest season to portray him as such is a bit silly when he hasn’t come close to repeating it.
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So how would you define a 40-goal scorer?

William Nylander has hit 40 twice over the past 4 years. Same with Jason Robertson, Nathan MacKinnon, Mathew Tkachuk, Filip Forsberg and Steven Stamkos. Sam Reinhart, Jake Guentzel and Kyle Connor have done it once, like Tage.

Are any of those guys, 40 goal scorers?

Over the past 4 seasons, Thompson has 140 goals in 275 games, a 40+ goal pace. To me, that pace, over that big of a sample size, makes your resistance in terms of this talking point a weird hill to die on.

In terms of actual goals scored, that's more than Tkachuk, Stamkos, Guentzel, Forsberg, and Robertson and in the same ballpark as Connor, MacKinnon and Nylander.

In terms of pace, that's better than Tkachuk, Stamkos, Guentzel, Nylander and Robertson and in the same ballpark as Forsberg, Connor, Mackinnon and Reinhart.

I guess one could argue — under what seems to be your definition — that few to none of those guys are 40-goal scorers either?

But to me that seems 'a bit silly.'
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Well, if Larkin breaks his neck and wants a surgery our management doesn't approve of, and then we land in a situation where we have to trade him for pennies on the dollar, then we may be in trouble.

"Outside your top 4 point producers" lmao. Turns out outside most teams' Top 4 point producers, they kinda suck.

"Tarasenko ready to call off the cliff." Tarasenko's body is already cold and somewhat rotten at the bottom of the cliff. Welcome to 2025.
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Don't really get what Eichel has to do with this but okay. Your core players are getting old, your teams record is better than it should be, and your young players outside of Raymond aren't doing much. Your team isn't insanely young like Buffalo is. You think Larkin will still be happy at 30 when Detroit keeps missing?
 
TageGod said:
Don't really get what Eichel has to do with this but okay. Your core players are getting old, your teams record is better than it should be, and your young players outside of Raymond aren't doing much. Your team isn't insanely young like Buffalo is. You think Larkin will still be happy at 30 when Detroit keeps missing?
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Our incredibly old core players!

Larkin (28)
Seider (23)
Raymond (22)
Edvinsson (22)

Forget retirement, these guys are close to death. :biglaugh:
 
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TageGod said:
So, where is Detroit now? Any chance they are good before Larkin wants out? I am looking at this roster and outside of your top 4 point producers, yikes. Kane and Tarasenko are ready to fall off the cliff. I'd love to take Larkin off your hands for something like Byram/Cozens Ostlund 2026 first.

Tage for Larkin does nothing for either team.
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I just want to raise this post up.

Just an amazing piece of work, 10/10.
 
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