Suzuki vs Caufield - Pick one to build with

[Lafleurs Guy]

I really liked his yesterday game. He show that he got great shot on PP. At 5v5, sometimes he show his great hands. Tools and talent of a 1st overall pick is certainly there. I believe that he is going to product well in 2 years. If he play with Suzuki and Caufield on PP, points will be there, no doubt!

I’m optimistic. He’s got skills and size.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I’m optimistic. He’s got skills and size.

Yes. Me too, if we think that he is going to have Jagr career, that's unfair. But Nash or Svechnikov type of career?! He certainly have skillz of that type of players and potential to put stats like them.

Rick Nash is a 1st overall pick.
Andrei Svechnikov is a 2nd overall but in some re-draft, he is the number one. (But Dahlin is still #1 with his great season so far).

 

[StCaufield]

Yes. Absolutely. Because Suzuki is the much more complete player right now!

Man, if Caufield can improve his passing, his D coverage, and add variety to his game (shooting a lot means lots of goals, but at some point can become easy to cover) then yes he COULD be better than Suzuki.

Caufield is an extremely good passer and top 3 on the team. Like that pass last night when the goalie was pulled. He went to the upper middle point instead of straight back on the boards which LA was waiting for. That’s just one of dozens of examples

 

[KevSkillz4]

Yes. Absolutely. Because Suzuki is the much more complete player right now!

Man, if Caufield can improve his passing, his D coverage, and add variety to his game (shooting a lot means lots of goals, but at some point can become easy to cover) then yes he COULD be better than Suzuki.

Improve his passing?? Hmm... Caufield is a really good playmaker!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Caufield is an extremely good passer and top 3 on the team. Like that pass last night when the goalie was pulled. He went to the upper middle point instead of straight back on the boards which LA was waiting for. That’s just one of dozens of examples

Offensively creative for sure. I’d held off in the hype on him before but once MSL came in he’s been pacing for about 50 per 82 since. And his track record is there. He’s going to improve.

Slaf I just don’t know enough yet to make any kind of prediction.

Suzuki currently sits 37th in league scoring. I think he’s 15th for centers. He’ll improve as well over time. Superstar though, I don’t see it. But even if he’s not… who cares? Solid number one is what we needed. He fits that bill.

 

[StCaufield]

Offensively creative for sure. I’d held off in the hype on him before but once MSL came in he’s been pacing for about 50 per 82 since. And his track record is there. He’s going to improve.

Slaf I just don’t know enough yet to make any kind of prediction.

Suzuki currently sits 37th in league scoring. I think he’s 15th for centers. He’ll improve as well over time. Superstar though, I don’t see it. But even if he’s not… who cares? Solid number one is what we needed. He fits that bill.

I can see Suzuki being a rich man’s Koivu

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I can see Suzuki being a rich man’s Koivu

That’s how I see him as well.

 

[Miller Time]

No you quoted me with a direct reference to what I said. Either hone-up to what you said or clarify it.

I thought it was pretty clear, but your reply suggest either it wasn't clear enough for you to understand, or you aren't interested in understanding. Either way, no point for more about that from me.

Carry on

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I thought it was pretty clear, but your reply suggest either it wasn't clear enough for you to understand, or you aren't interested in understanding. Either way, no point for more about that from me.

Carry on

Or maybe you scrolled back, realized what I said had ZERO to do with Cphabs's own opinions, said "ooopsy" to yourself and then tried to play "none-the-wiser"?

Yeah, carry on.

 

[MasterD]

I can see Suzuki being a rich man’s Koivu

Agreed. And I’m a huge Koivu fan.

Suzuki has a better shot than Koivu ever had, which makes him more unpredictable. He can shoot/deke/pass.

Not a very flashy player, but very effective

 

[HabsMD97]

caufield

 

[StCaufield]

Agreed. And I’m a huge Koivu fan.

Suzuki has a better shot than Koivu ever had, which makes him more unpredictable. He can shoot/deke/pass.

Not a very flashy player, but very effective

Yeah Saku is my favourite player ever growing up and even now so for me to admit that Suzuki is better took a lot of convincing. I’d say they’re equal passers if we’re comparing

 

[McGuires Corndog]

LOL someone on Sportsnet seen this.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Delete

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Well, hopefully this isn't a case where I have to say I'm wrong right now.

All the best Cole. Here's hoping you don't have a concussion.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

LOL someone on Sportsnet seen this.

They're stealing our stuff!

 

[Habsrule]

Suzuki

The two players are on par for points although over the long run I think Caufield will put up a bit higher point totals per year. But once Caufield plays center and starts killing penalties then come back and ask me the question.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Suzuki

The two players are on par for points although over the long run I think Caufield will put up a bit higher point totals per year. But once Caufield plays center and starts killing penalties then come back and ask me the question.

A two-way 1b center is easier to find than a 40-50 goal scorer.

I'd start building with the piece that's harder to find.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A two-way 1b center is easier to find than a 40-50 goal scorer.

I'd start building with the piece that's harder to find.

Caufield is not scoring 40-50 goals without a good top 2C though. Love Caufield and glad to have him but Suzuki has more value.

Does Caufield score 40-50 every season? What will his average per season be when we look back at age 29 lets say? Someone like Debrincat has prorated goals per season at 35 goals. Will Caufield be higher than that?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Caufield is not scoring 40-50 goals without a good top 2C though. Love Caufield and glad to have him but Suzuki has more value.

Does Caufield score 40-50 every season? What will his average per season be when we look back at age 29 lets say? Someone like Debrincat has prorated goals per season at 35 goals. Will Caufield be higher than that?

So why has Caufield scored 11 in his last 17 games and Suzuki has been completely flat in that sequence, assisting Caufield twice on those 11 goals? Also note that Caufield has assisted Suzuki just as much as the other way around.

The whole argument/narrative of Caufield needing this or that to score is FALSE.

Suzuki also needs a Caufield to pass to, so the whole argument is pointless.

I'm looking at rarity and what Caufield offers is rarer.

 

[StCaufield]

I find it odd that nobody wants to build around a 40-50 goal scorer. It’s easier to find a Suzi and I still may pick him but I’m surprised about how lopsided the poll is

 

[Habs Halifax]

So why has Caufield scored 11 in his last 17 games and Suzuki has been completely flat in that sequence, assisting Caufield twice on those 11 goals? Also note that Caufield has assisted Suzuki just as much as the other way around.

The whole argument/narrative of Caufield needing this or that to score is FALSE.

Suzuki also needs a Caufield to pass to, so the whole argument is pointless.

I'm looking at rarity and what Caufield offers is rarer.

I don't fall for ups/downs in the rollercoaster ride. You can try to play expert at any given spot that favors any angle you want to take. I can choose to show you Suzuki's performance a month or so ago and how he was feeding Caufield and out producing him.

You didn't answer the question. Debrincat averages out at 35 goals. Where will Caufields average be when he is Debrincat's age or age 29 lets say. Do you think his average is 40+ over the long haul?

I find it odd that nobody wants to build around a 40-50 goal scorer. It’s easier to find a Suzi and I still may pick him but I’m surprised about how lopsided the poll is

Do you think Caufied's goals per season averages out in the 40-50 goals area for his entire 20's?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't fall for ups/downs in the rollercoaster ride. You can try to play expert at any given spot that favors any angle you want to take.

You didn't answer the question. Debrincat averages out at 35 goals. Where will Caufields average be when he is Debrincat's age or age 29 lets say. Do you think his average is 40+ over the long haul?

Caufield has scored 44 goals in his last 75 games as a rookie and sophomore and Suzuki assisted only 15 of them.

The example of Debrincat is bad. They are different players. Caufield has a bigger arsenal of shots and is less reliant on his teammates to score.

I'm pretty sure Caufield will average out as a higher scorer than Cat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Caufield has scored 44 goals in his last 75 games as a rookie and sophomore and Suzuki assisted only 15 of them.

The example of Debrincat is bad. They are different players. Caufield has a bigger arsenal of shots and is less reliant on his teammates to score.

I'm pretty sure Caufield will average out as a higher scorer than Cat.

Caufield may be better than Debrincat. He's tracking to be better but it's not a bad example. You're likely assuming I don't think Caufield averages out in goals/season to be in the 40-50 range.

The point I'm trying to make is there is usually up/downs over the long haul and expecting him to be at this high level for 5-10 years is a little on the premature side.

Lets see what Hughes and Gorton think about it cause Caufield's next contract will indicate some value to this discussion