Transfer: Summer Transfer Rumors and Discussion Part VI

[Savant]

You do realize that tier 2 is by no means bad? That means "proven to have current sources".

Tier 2 is bad. Only Tier 1 is good. Tier 2 gets all their stuff from Tier 1 run off. Or they would also be Tier 1.

Also its incredibly subjective criteria. Just saying stick to Tier 1 and no one is complaining. But there is a very basic misunderstanding from you on how the reporting of the transfer window is.

 

[Jussi]

Tier 2 is bad. Only Tier 1 is good. Tier 2 gets all their stuff from Tier 1 run off. Or they would also be Tier 1.

Also its incredibly subjective criteria. Just saying stick to Tier 1 and no one is complaining. But there is a very basic misunderstanding from you on how the reporting of the transfer window is.

This is United's current tier source ranking:

Tier 0 (Undisputed, Official Sources)
@ManUtd / manutd.com
Tier 1 (Highest Quality Sources)
Simon Stone (BBC) / Sport1 (Germany) / Henry Winter (The Times Chief of Football) / Mohamed Bouhafsi(France) / Fabrizio Romano (Guardian) / Paul Joyce (The Times/Liverpool/Everton) / David Ornstein(BBC/Arsenal) / Craig Norwood (Club Photographer) / Kristof Terreur (The Guardian) / Gianluca Di Marzio (Sky Italia/Independant Journalist) / Simon Peach (Press Association)
Tier 2 (Proven to have current sources)
Bild (Germany/Bavaria) / Der Westen (Germany/Schalke/Gladbach/Dortmund) / Kicker (Germany) / De Telegraaf(Netherlands) / COPE (Spain) / Raphael Honigstein (Germany Freelancer/Guardian German News) / Voetbal International (Netherlands) / Matt Law (Telegraph/Chelsea) / Andy Burton (Sky Sports) / Caderna SER (Spain) / O Jogo (Portugal) / James Cooper (Sky Sports) / /u/xisimon (One of us) / RMC Sport (France)/ Andy Mitten (Transfer News) /
Tier 3 (Average reliability, or former Tier 2)
Canal+/Pierre Menes (France) / Jamie Jackson (Guardian) / Ian Ladyman (Daily Mail) / Stu Bates (Mirror) / The Telegraph / The Guardian / The Times / Mark Ogden (ESPN) / Daniel Taylor (Guardian) / Correio de Manha(Portugal) / Ruhr Nachrichten (Germany) / Le Parisien (France) / Ian Herbert (Independent) / Jason Burt(Telegraph) / Record (Portugal) / A Bola (Portugal) / Richard Keys (beIN Sports) / Jim White (Everton only) / L'Equipe (France) / Duncan Castles (Record/Times) / Paul Hirst (The Times) / James Ducker (the Telegraph) / Rob Dawson (ESPN)/ Miguel Delaney (Transfer News Only) Samuel Luckhurst (M.E.N
Tier 4 (Indirect sources, low reliability)
BildSport (Germany) / Tuttomercatoweb (Italy) / Sport (Spain) / Goal.com / Guillem Balague (Sky Sports/Freelance) / Stuart Mathieson (MEN) / The Independent / Mundo Deportivo (Spain) / Marca (Spain/Real Madrid) / AS (Spain/Real Madrid) / Talksport (UK & Ireland) / Sky Sports / Kaveh Solhekol (Sky Sports) / Stephen Howson (FullTimeDevils) / Paris/Euro United (France/PSG) / Simon Mullock (Mirror) / London Evening Standard/ Daily Mail / The Mirror / John Cross (The Mirror)
Tier 5 (Aggregators, Known Shitposters and Banned sources)
Peter O'Rouke (Freelance) / Tancredi Palmieri (Freelance/Bullshit merchant) / Metro (banned - utter shit) / Express (banned - redditwide ban due to vote manipulation) / The Sun (Banned - for being the Sun) / Diario Gol(Spain) / Daily Star (Go there for tits, not news) / CaughtOffside (Aggregates, but poses the news as its own) / Don Balon (Spain)/ Squawka (Vote Manipulation) / Sport/LAD Bible (Clickbait merchants/Content thieves) / Joe.co.uk (Shit memes and even worse transfer content) / 90min.com / / ESPN (except for articles by Delaney, Mitten, Dawson and Ogden) / Manchester Evening New / Here is the City (Aggregator) / Bleacher Report (Aggregator) / 90 min.com (Aggregator)/ All Other Aggregators / Football365 (Transfer News) / SportsMole (Shit soure)

Many of the tier 1 people have tweeted the same things about de Jong.

This is true... look at how many times Frenkie transferred to united. Hope he has air miles.

None of them have said it's a done deal.

 

[Savant]

This is a HORRIBLE list. All of those Tier 2 are aggregators. A lot of the Tier 1 are lousy too, are tied in with other teams. Any Tier 2 without a name attached is simply not Tier 2. This list is really showing your ass here.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Yet you have spammed the thread with "updates" stating its agreed up on.

 

[Jussi]

Yet you have spammed the thread with "updates" stating its agreed up on.

Only the transfer price. That's not the equivalent of "done deal".

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Only the transfer price. That's not the equivalent of "done deal".

ok sir copium.

 

[Savant]

Only the transfer price. That's not the equivalent of "done deal".

But it’s bullshit.

No one knows anything. People are guessing for clicks. Someone will get credit they don’t deserve because a broken clock is right twice a day, and the morons on the internet will think they are an insider.

it’s like believing in the tooth fairy.

 

[Jussi]

But it’s bullshit.

No one knows anything. People are guessing for clicks. Someone will get credit they don’t deserve because a broken clock is right twice a day, and the morons on the internet will think they are an insider.

it’s like believing in the tooth fairy.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't post anything but club confirmed transfers in this thread then?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Tottenham reportedly interested in Israel u19 star Oscar Gloukh. I’ll cry if I have to wish for any modicum of success for that club.

 

[bluesfan94]

They're also considered either tier 1 or tier 2. Stone, Drucker, Hirst, Whitwell, the Spanish ones.

Then why has this needed to be confirmed 5 separate times (each time leading to an impasse thereafter) at multiple different values?

Perhaps it's because aggregators take tweets out of context and then report with more certainty than the "tiers" reddit created indicate.

 

[The Abusement Park]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't post anything but club confirmed transfers in this thread then?

Well we certainly shouldn’t be posting the same update 7 times a day for a month. It’s been literally unbearable.

 

[bluesfan94]

This is United's current tier source ranking:


Many of the tier 1 people have tweeted the same things about de Jong.


None of them have said it's a done deal.

Would you mind pointing me to Oriol Domench on that list?

Only the transfer price. That's not the equivalent of "done deal".

Except the transfer price has changed multiple times, too.

 

[luiginb]

Actual news

Way too much for an OK winger from the PL. His end product hasn't been anything to write home about in any of the leagues he played. Wishing for the best for not for that kind of money...

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Well we certainly shouldn’t be posting the same update 7 times a day for a month. It’s been literally unbearable.

No deal it’s one or the other… I would say it’s easier to put him on ignore but honestly he’s so unintentionally funny, I wouldn’t want anyone to miss out on that.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At this point the only tweet that should be posted here from now on regarding FDJ should be regarding the finalization of the transfer. Or the end of our interest.

 

[Savant]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't post anything but club confirmed transfers in this thread then?

I’m saying stick to named Tier 1 sources. Which I (and others) have said several times. Everything else is spam.

There is a difference between posting “The Times” and posting Henry Winter for example.

And no fan site aggregators. Original source or no post.

 

[les Habs]

Way too much for an OK winger from the PL. His end product hasn't been anything to write home about in any of the leagues he played. Wishing for the best for not for that kind of money...

Agreed and as I've been saying. I understand (I think, in case I'm forgetting someone) the rest of the transfer targets to some degree, but not this one.

 

[luiginb]

And we still don't have a right back or a backup for Jordi Alba.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

And we still don't have a right back or a backup for Jordi Alba.

I offer one Reguilon.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

I offer one Romero.

fine

 

[Jussi]

Then why has this needed to be confirmed 5 separate times (each time leading to an impasse thereafter) at multiple different values?

Perhaps it's because aggregators take tweets out of context and then report with more certainty than the "tiers" reddit created indicate.

Often there isn't an original tweet but the original source appeared on tv/radiopodcast/YT show. For example Romano appears on many shows and has his own (?) so naturally his comments from those get spread around.

 

[bluesfan94]

Often there isn't an original tweet but the original source appeared on tv/radiopodcast/YT show. For example Romano appears on many shows and has his own (?) so naturally his comments from those get spread around.

Which is great for aggregators because then it's a lot more difficult to track the accuracy.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Breaking News--Frenkie de Jong acquired by my FUT. Unfortunately, he refused an immediate wage reduction and was transfer listed. Player reports he's still not interested in joining Man U.

 

[Savant]

Often there isn't an original tweet but the original source appeared on tv/radiopodcast/YT show. For example Romano appears on many shows and has his own (?) so naturally his comments from those get spread around.

Not good enough. There is no direct citation. If it’s real Romano will put on his own page after he copies it from Ornstein.

That’s why aggregators aggregate and why they are useless. They are paraphrasing and using for engagement. It’s not real.

 

[Peen]

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