Summarize the posters of The Lounge in one photo

[bombers15]

That's actually not my point at all. I've only begun to point that out a bit of late after I was viciously attacked for pointing out the cognitive dissonance of posters who routinely brag about their meat eating yet were mourning a couple dogs whose lives were lost in Fort McMurray.

I think everyone values certain animals over others. I would rather slap a thousand mosquitoes than harm a Siberian Tiger. Plus there are obvious cultural biases at play in what animals we think are important. Is all that defensible? It's a complicated philosophical debate. Maybe it's hypocrisy at the end of the day. Maybe. That is, if all animals are exactly equal. But despite what you say, I don't think even you believe that.

So there is hypocrisy everywhere. Even among vegans. More at 11.

 

[HanSolo]

No one is gonna deny we value the lives of some animals over others. It's a cultural thing. In some countries, they eat their cats and dogs. But because we view them as companions that we can coexist with and get mutual benefits out of, we don't look to them specifically as a source of food. Just like a shark will not eat its trailer fish or whatever you call those fish that swim under its belly collecting the shark's scraps, but will still on the whole eat other fish, we still take our food sources from a certain kind of animal. Just like the other carnivorous animals on the planet. It's just how the food chain works. I'm only half kidding when I say that I'll become a vegan when the rest of the carnivores do too, because it's true. If its the way of nature for some creatures to consume other creatures for sustenance, why shouldn't I? These carnivores have no compunction about slaughtering other animals for their food and its been like that since before the concept of murder was formulated by human minds.

 

[Siamese Dream]

Makes u think

 

[Dr Pepper]

That's actually not my point at all. I've only begun to point that out a bit of late after I was viciously attacked for pointing out the cognitive dissonance of posters who routinely brag about their meat eating yet were mourning a couple dogs whose lives were lost in Fort McMurray.

I hope you don't own a pair of leather shoes, TJ.

Or a leather belt, or jacket.

Or goose-down pillows.

Or any of these products.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Baby crocs are the cutest ****ing things ever created. I want one as a pet.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

Ultimately it boils down to a need versus a desire, and until our society decides it is no longer morally or ethically correct it will continue, unfortunately.

People always harp on vegans because they think we're trying to convert them into members of a cult or something. We're not. We're simply trying to raise awareness and move the needle in the right direction. We're trying to demonstrate that humans can exist perfectly fine without continually inflcting harm to other sentient beings that share this earth with us.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

I hope you don't own a pair of leather shoes, TJ.

Or a leather belt, or jacket.

Or goose-down pillows.

Or any of these products.

Veganism extends beyond diet. Thanks for your concern though, Modo.

 

[HanSolo]

Let's try a reverse exercise. When I lived in California, our neighbors had a cat that would kill and eat mice and birds on a regular basis. We would find gnawed on corpses of small birds in our yard from time to time. Now the cat has no desire to try to eat its owners because it gets benefits from those owners like food and comfort (and cause the owners were bigger and could easily kill it). Is that cat as evil as we humans supposedly are? Because it followed the same animal instincts driving most carnivores.

 

[RayP]

Ultimately it boils down to a need versus a desire, and until our society decides it is no longer morally or ethically correct it will continue, unfortunately.

People always harp on vegans because they think we're trying to convert them into members of a cult or something. We're not. We're simply trying to raise awareness and move the needle in the right direction. We're trying to demonstrate that humans can exist perfectly fine without continually inflcting harm to other sentient beings that share this earth with us.

do you actually raise awareness of any sort? all i can remember you is flaunting it and whining about meat eaters. that's not raising awareness, that's just being a little *****.

 

[HanSolo]

Ultimately it boils down to a need versus a desire, and until our society decides it is no longer morally or ethically correct it will continue, unfortunately.

People always harp on vegans because they think we're trying to convert them into members of a cult or something. We're not. We're simply trying to raise awareness and move the needle in the right direction. We're trying to demonstrate that humans can exist perfectly fine without continually inflcting harm to other sentient beings that share this earth with us.

So why don't we stop the animals I listed above? Animals have been inflicting harm to each other since way before bipeds evolved into humans.

We, as far as being carnivores is concerned, are just an exaggerated and enhanced version of what has always been.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

do you actually raise awareness of any sort? all i can remember you is flaunting it and whining about meat eaters. that's not raising awareness, that's just being a little *****.

As you can see from the last bit of this thread, I'm very open to having civil conversations on these topics with civil people. The bulk majority of you have no interest in any sort of intellectual conversation, but rather name calling.

I also do activism work in my community.

 

[HanSolo]

As you can see from the last bit of this thread, I'm very open to having civil conversations on these topics with civil people. The bulk majority of you have no interest in any sort of intellectual conversation, but rather name calling.

I also do activism work in my community.

Hey I've posted three civil debate thoughts in a row and you haven't responded to one.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

So why don't we stop the animals I listed above? Animals have been inflicting harm to each other since way before bipeds evolved into humans.

We, as far as being carnivores is concerned, are just an exaggerated and enhanced version of what has always been.

Survival versus greed. I'm not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself on that topic. These same wild animals are also into raping. Surely we shouldn't be taking our moral cues from wild animals.

 

[HanSolo]

Survival versus greed. I'm not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself on that topic. These same wild animals are also into raping. Surely we shouldn't be taking our moral cues from wild animals.

So are they even more evil than us since they're rapists too?

And ********. Plenty of carnivores eat more than they need. It's not like they kill the base amount needed to get the base amount of nutrients they'll need and stop. Some animals kill for sport.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

As you can see from the last bit of this thread, I'm very open to having civil conversations on these topics with civil people. The bulk majority of you have no interest in any sort of intellectual conversation, but rather name calling.

I also do activism work in my community.

Are you involved with PETA, by any chance.

I know a lot of people that throw out the same talking points you do and are PETA cultists. Which always amuses me, since PETA murders animals more than anyone.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

Are you involved with PETA, by any chance.

I know a lot of people that throw out the same talking points you do and are PETA cultists. Which always amuses me, since PETA murders animals more than anyone.

I have nothing to do with PETA, no.

I don't know a whole ton about PETA, so I can't speak to them a great deal. I do know that they get a bad rap for putting down animals and ****, but based on what I know these are animals who would have been put down anyway. Unfortunately there are a **** ton of irresponsible pet owners in the world which has lead to a huge overpopulation of domesticated dogs.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Survival versus greed. I'm not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself on that topic. These same wild animals are also into raping. Surely we shouldn't be taking our moral cues from wild animals.

Maybe you should post another thread with a silly political image then act intellectually superior when people call you out for your shtick.

 

[Shrimper]

 

[HanSolo]

Maybe you should post another thread with a silly political image then act intellectually superior when people call you out for your shtick.

 

[bombers15]

Survival versus greed. I'm not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself on that topic. These same wild animals are also into raping. Surely we shouldn't be taking our moral cues from wild animals.

But you said you don't consider yourself any different than those animals, so the whole logic goes out the window.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

I have nothing to do with PETA, no.

I don't know a whole ton about PETA, so I can't speak to them a great deal. I do know that they get a bad rap for putting down animals and ****, but based on what I know these are animals who would have been put down anyway. Unfortunately there are a **** ton of irresponsible pet owners in the world which has lead to a huge overpopulation of domesticated dogs.

Their warped ideology and philosophy subscribes to the theory that senior dogs & cats and dogs & cats with special needs are harder to adopt out so it's easier and more cost effective to simply euthanize them. Their shelter kill rates are over 90% year after year. Meanwhile, not a cent of the money that's donated to them does anything to advance animal welfare but instead pays for their exorbitant executive salaries.

And yes, domesticated pet overpopulation is a serious issue. It's unfortunate that people blame the responsible breeders and shame those who don't always want to adopt from shelters however. They don't seem to understand it's the backyard breeders that breed their animals with total disregard to their well being and are only in it to line their pockets with cash. Something PETA purposely ignores which does nothing to solve the problem.

The HSUS is the flip side of the same coin. Both are pretty much terrorist organizations.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Veganism extends beyond diet. Thanks for your concern though, Modo.

Well, no ****.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

But you said you don't consider yourself any different than those animals, so the whole logic goes out the window.

When did I say that at all? I recognize the difference in species. That doesn't make one species better than another.

"Not the same, but equal."

 

[Siamese Dream]

First we ate the horses. We weren't riding anywhere, not with the castle surrounded. We couldn't feed them. So, fine, the horses. Then the cats - never liked cats, so, fine. I do like dogs, good animals, loyal, but we ate them. Then the rats.

 

[Shrimper]

First we ate the horses. We weren't riding anywhere, not with the castle surrounded. We couldn't feed them. So, fine, the horses. Then the cats - never liked cats, so, fine. I do like dogs, good animals, loyal, but we ate them. Then the rats.