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HanSolo

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I was addressing the person who asked what kind of animals had built roads or whatever it was they said.

Except I never said that intelligence is the main reason why we should eat animals. It's merely to state that we are the superior species. And under the metric of sheer ability and accomplishment we are indeed superior. Im not saying that superiority in intelligence is a fair justification to murder another being. Certainly not within the species. This is where ethics come in.

Your hyperbolic example is understood but inappropriate. Would you extend it to say that if people fail this iq test, people should eat that person? From the beginning Ive argued that eating other animals is justified because in nature there has always been a food chain. And the carnivores with the means and strength to consume those lower on the chain always have and always will.

I never said intelligence was the metric for our place on the food chain. But you obtusely took the concept of intelligence and applied it to an absurd comparison saying it's some jurlstification for in species murder.

Its quite funny that you claim most if us here are incapable of proceeding with a proper debate and yet your debate tactics are laced with self serving logical fallacies.
 

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TJ's Top 3 Favorite Dinosaurs:
#1: Brachiosauras
#2: Stegosauras
#3: Parasaurolophus
 

HanSolo

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So in conclusion, the arguments from this thread are as follows:

Me: All lives have the same value, despite the recognizable differences in species. Limiting harm is the path to take.

You guys: Intelligence and morality determine the value of a life, only selectively though, specifically when it fits your narrative. If you can't completely eliminate the harm then there is no point in limiting it.

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So we can conveniently write off the murder of animals by other animals because survival. Why don't we force those animals to convert to being herbivores? I mean if all life is equally valuable then the survival justification isn't enough to negate the atrocity.

I mean these carnivores don't even prepare their food in a neat package. They slaughter and begin to eat their prey while they're still alive. This is a violation of the sanctity of life is it not? By your standards, these animals must be punished for their crimes or a means must be found to curb this behavior so that they begin to eat plants instead. Plants that are alive. If all life is sacred why is it okay to uproot plants that are alive?

For how smart you want everyone to think you are, you are incapable of comprehending that there's a difference between the value of a life and the difference between one species' strengths, weaknesses, and abilities they have over the other indicating species superiority. You're arguing there's no superiority on a holistic moral stance based on your view of the value of all life. Where most who make the claim that we are superior view it from a practical standpoint. But you don't want to understand the difference because it doesn't fit your preset agenda.
 
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Bones Malone

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If I had a 2 guns, one to a cow's head, the other to TJ's mom's head, and have him the option to save one of themy, who would he save?
 

HanSolo

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If I had a 2 guns, one to a cow's head, the other to TJ's mom's head, and have him the option to save one of themy, who would he save?

Probably be too busy *****ing about how you're a typical evil gun toting human instead of trying to save either.
 

bombers15

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If I had a 2 guns, one to a cow's head, the other to TJ's mom's head, and have him the option to save one of themy, who would he save?

If he's consistent in his beliefs, both are exactly the same. So he wouldn't be able to decide and would subsequently spin in circles and run out of energy on his low protein diet.
 

HanSolo

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So we're the ones incapable of having intellectual debate, yet you only go for the shortest and easiest to counter statements and barely say anything in said counter.

Interesting.
 

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So we're the ones incapable of having intellectual debate, yet you only go for the shortest and easiest to counter statements and barely say anything in said counter.

Interesting.
What do you want? A ****ing essay about how protein is not an issue for vegans? It's well known that is a ridiculous fallacy.
 

HanSolo

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What do you want? A ****ing essay about how protein is not an issue for vegans? It's well known that is a ridiculous fallacy.

Well you claimed that we're incapable of having intellectual debate. There are two posts in this thread where I attempt to do that with you and you haven't made any attempt to rebutt or dispute my arguments. Do you want us to engage in intellectual debate or do you just like huffing and puffing your chest that you are a more enlightened and intellectual mind than the rest of us without actually having to engage those who try to challenge you? Maybe based on my opinions you still think I'm a mindless meme posting idiot, but it would serve your claim you made last night a lot better if you at least tried to prove it.
 

Chris Hagen*

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Well you claimed that we're incapable of having intellectual debate. There are two posts in this thread where I attempt to do that with you and you haven't made any attempt to rebutt or dispute my arguments. Do you want us to engage in intellectual debate or do you just like huffing and puffing your chest that you are a more enlightened and intellectual mind than the rest of us without actually having to engage those who try to challenge you? Maybe based on my opinions you still think I'm a mindless meme posting idiot, but it would serve your claim you made last night a lot better if you at least tried to prove it.
Can you point me specifically to which posts I missed? I'll definitely address actual posts people make, but I'm not going to acknowledge or reply to memes or people named Mike Emrick.
 

Soliloquy of a Dogge

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Meh. Dogs can survive on a vegan diet.

Canines are natural carnivores. They can do alright on a omnivorous diet, but they're designed to thrive on a diet of meat.

My dogs have eaten cow, bison,deer, bear, horse, moose, goat, alpaca, sheep, duck, rabbit, turkey, ostrich, salmon and turtle. They quite like it. Would not substitute a vegan diet for their current one, I don't think.
 

Dr Pepper

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Canines are natural carnivores. They can do alright on a omnivorous diet, but they're designed to thrive on a diet of meat.

My dogs have eaten cow, bison,deer, bear, horse, moose, goat, alpaca, sheep, duck, rabbit, turkey, ostrich, salmon and turtle. They quite like it. Would not substitute a vegan diet for their current one, I don't think.

I can understand most of those, but.....turtle? Where'd you buy turtle meat? Or did one of your dogs find one in the backyard or something? :laugh:
 

Soliloquy of a Dogge

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I can understand most of those, but.....turtle? Where'd you buy turtle meat? Or did one of your dogs find one in the backyard or something? :laugh:

My dogs would probably be terrified if they saw a turtle coming towards em and jump into my arms ala Scooby Doo lol.

There's a place here in San Diego to get it along with other hard to find game. Make turtle soup every once in a while and give what remains of the meat to the dogs. They don't get it very often or much of it though.
 

Chris Hagen*

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Another thing people don't understand is that there are lots of byproducts from animals that are used simply because they exist. Like that list of things Modo posted earlier. Yes there are strange parts of animals used in a number of products, but if we were killing them for meat we would probably find alternatives. So while yes, they aren't vegan, they also aren't contributing a great deal of demand for dead animals either.
 

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