Sudbury Wolves 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[dirty12]

I don't think Sudbury will go after goaltending at the deadline. We already gave a 4th for Ranger in the 2023 draft and Krawchuck will get half the games next season with whatever goalie they sign next season. I'm thinking Morrow. Then they will assess it from there.

As for getting players this season to help boost the offence Papineau would need to be very creative as we don't have a lot of picks at out disposal to trade this season especially if the focus is on next season. Unless of course he does something like this,

Send out Robinson, Derbidge and Mauro for whatever picks you can get. Say 3 4ths in total.

Then if we can find an agreement between the Dvorksky camp reporting if a deal to Kitchener would make him come over so that he can play alongside Mesar. Dvorsky, Assadourian and Toure for Hamara and Martin and we get added picks like 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

Then we go after Winterton and White from Hamilton.

Does Papineau have that in him??? Who knows but Sudbury could be a very dangerous team if they did something along those lines.

WJ

Creative, and very optimistic to think Robinson, Derbidge, & Mauro will fetch 3-4ths; a good return might be 4, 5, 8.
At some point prior to next season, Papineau will need to accept best offer for Derbidge and find a team willing to roster Mauro or place both on waivers; otherwise, he risks using up two player cards and OHL education $.

 

[Pucks Deep]

I think if you keep Pharand with Goyette and Musty, slot in Degrasia with Mccallum and Delic for a run of games. See what kind of production you can get from those two lines. Mix in the rest from there. Thought Villneuve has played well past couple games as well.

 

[cub]

I think teams that maybe willing to move players could be the Soo, Guelph, Erie etc from the Western Conference. Could anyone see the Soo look at moving Ivanov? Recently Soo and Guelph have traded with us wonder if we can workout a deal help both teams.

 

[Wolfgang Puck]

I think if you keep Pharand with Goyette and Musty, slot in Degrasia with Mccallum and Delic for a run of games. See what kind of production you can get from those two lines. Mix in the rest from there. Thought Villneuve has played well past couple games as well.

Delic and konyen have chemistry so I would put DeGrazia with them and keep Larmond and McCallum together

 

[I Loveallsports]

Curious to see if Larmand gets any games. If any can't see more than two.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Strange Schedule Wolves return to play Barrie on Tuesday.

I may head down. Looks like weather will be good. Roads can get dicey in the winter.

I don't think Sudbury will go after goaltending at the deadline. We already gave a 4th for Ranger in the 2023 draft and Krawchuck will get half the games next season with whatever goalie they sign next season. I'm thinking Morrow. Then they will assess it from there.

As for getting players this season to help boost the offence Papineau would need to be very creative as we don't have a lot of picks at our disposal to trade this season especially if the focus is on next season. Unless of course he does something like this,

Send out Robinson, Derbidge and Mauro for whatever picks you can get. Say 3 4ths in total.

Then if we can find an agreement between the Dvorksky camp reporting if a deal to Kitchener would make him come over so that he can play alongside fellow countrymen in Mesar. Dvorsky, Assadourian and Toure for Hamara and Martin and we get added picks like 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

Then we go after Winterton and White from Hamilton.

Does Papineau have that in him??? Who knows but Sudbury could be a very dangerous team if they did something along those lines.

Curious as to what bargaining chips you guys think the Wolves could use this year? I would’ve thought the plan was to mostly stand pat considering next year is supposed to be the year right?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Papineau tries to do something though as I think his job is on the line if we miss the playoffs.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Curious to see if Larmand gets any games. If any can't see more than two.

Real boneheaded move though. Put us 2 goals down early.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Just imagine next season man.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Like I said when the trade for Ranger was made that we were acquiring an average goaltender and some scoffed at my comment. I still think im right on Ranger on somenights he plays better than average but those nights arent nearly enough. How many or if any games has he stolen for us? How many goalies have outplayed him in their games against us? How many soft goals has he allowed? I think we need to make a move for a 19 year old goaltender who projects to be a #1 next year. Hell if we make the playoffs how are we going to advance with average goaltening. If he cant handle the pressure of a 2 - 0 lead going into the 3rd and allows 4 goals on 7 shots how the hell is he going to handle a playoff game? Series?

I agree goaltending is among our most pressing needs, along with finding a way to make the powerplay work. Not sure Krawchuck in his second season with little ice time can be expected to lead us but we really have little knowledge of what he is capable of. You raise some good points about our goaltending. Even within the same game Ranger will make a ten bell save only to allow a softie at a crucial time. Overall his game is simply average and we have indeed lost many games due to the other goalie being better. One question is whether he’d perform better and more consistently with more rest but two things remain true. No powerplay and average goaltending is not a winning formula, as evidenced by the standings.

On a positive note, the Wolves absolutely owned the game last night after the goaltending change. That’s what’s frustrating as at times we see what they’re capable of. We’re barely out of last place yet there isn’t a team we haven’t been able to not only compete with, but often look better than for good portions of the game. I hope Santa brings us a better second half for Christmas. A couple of big road games to end the first half. Not crazy about the game in Oshawa being the end of a three in three.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Posters talking about Derbridge, does anyone know what's going on with him? Put up 5 points in 3 games in the OJHL, but hasn't played in 2 weeks. Injury?

 

[cobra9850]

I don't think Sudbury will go after goaltending at the deadline. We already gave a 4th for Ranger in the 2023 draft and Krawchuck will get half the games next season with whatever goalie they sign next season. I'm thinking Morrow. Then they will assess it from there.

As for getting players this season to help boost the offence Papineau would need to be very creative as we don't have a lot of picks at our disposal to trade this season especially if the focus is on next season. Unless of course he does something like this,

Send out Robinson, Derbidge and Mauro for whatever picks you can get. Say 3 4ths in total.

Then if we can find an agreement between the Dvorksky camp reporting if a deal to Kitchener would make him come over so that he can play alongside fellow countrymen in Mesar. Dvorsky, Assadourian and Toure for Hamara and Martin and we get added picks like 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

Then we go after Winterton and White from Hamilton.

Does Papineau have that in him??? Who knows but Sudbury could be a very dangerous team if they did something along those lines.

WJ

Toure and Collins are our best defenceman.Why they are playing him at right wing is beyond comprehension.Move mistake prone Anania to wing.Martin is injured long term also.Dvorsky would look great on the powerplay w

I don't think Sudbury will go after goaltending at the deadline. We already gave a 4th for Ranger in the 2023 draft and Krawchuck will get half the games next season with whatever goalie they sign next season. I'm thinking Morrow. Then they will assess it from there.

As for getting players this season to help boost the offence Papineau would need to be very creative as we don't have a lot of picks at our disposal to trade this season especially if the focus is on next season. Unless of course he does something like this,

Send out Robinson, Derbidge and Mauro for whatever picks you can get. Say 3 4ths in total.

Then if we can find an agreement between the Dvorksky camp reporting if a deal to Kitchener would make him come over so that he can play alongside fellow countrymen in Mesar. Dvorsky, Assadourian and Toure for Hamara and Martin and we get added picks like 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

Then we go after Winterton and White from Hamilton.

Does Papineau have that in him??? Who knows but Sudbury could be a very dangerous team if they did something along those lines.

WJ

Don't trade Toure he is our best skating and toughest D.He is great along the boards and can join the rush with fast strides.Anania is a mistake prone give away machine.Trade him in a heart beat to any teams that can stomach his snail pace hip checks that miss the target and lead to dangerous two on one opponent rushes.Dvorsky would look awesome on a powerplay with Musty and Goyette.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Toure and Collins are our best defenceman.Why they are playing him at right wing is beyond comprehension.Move mistake prone Anania to wing.Martin is injured long term also.Dvorsky would look great on the powerplay w

Don't trade Toure he is our best skating and toughest D.He is great along the boards and can join the rush with fast strides.Anania is a mistake prone give away machine.Trade him in a heart beat to any teams that can stomach his snail pace hip checks that miss the target and lead to dangerous two on one opponent rushes.Dvorsky would look awesome on a powerplay with Musty and Goyette.

All hypothetical dude... Could stay put as well and maybe land Dvorksky here ourselves. All I know isn that Toure is the only one I think they will move on the backend because of the youth to Mania, Chromiak, Collins, Bishop. We only have three left shooting guys in Robinson, Anania and Holmes. Anania blocks a ton of shots if you haven't noticed. Not too many do. Would you want to move that out? Toure can bring us back some picks. He was a surprise at camp and we have too many 19 year olds so someone will have to move out. Just my opinion. Judging by his lack of ice time the last few games and the fact that he is playing the right wing because all other d are dressed to is the writing on the wall usually.

WJ

 

[cobra9850]

All hypothetical dude... Could stay put as well and maybe land Dvorksky here ourselves. All I know isn that Toure is the only one I think they will move on the backend because of the youth to Mania, Chromiak, Collins, Bishop. We only have three left shooting guys in Robinson, Anania and Holmes. Anania blocks a ton of shots if you haven't noticed. Not too many do. Would you want to move that out? Toure can bring us back some picks. He was a surprise at camp and we have too many 19 year olds so someone will have to move out. Just my opinion. Judging by his lack of ice time the last few games and the fact that he is playing the right wing because all other d are dressed to is the writing on the A usually.

WJ

Toure comes back as your overage D.Anania blocks a lot of shots probably off many of his own giveaways.Anania will be playing University hockey and Toure is on NHL scouts radar. Bishop showed us a few games ago that he is not ready.Protz or Bruce, clearly outplayed him at training camp and should have been kept over him.We have saw what a train wreck a Robinson and Chromiak pairing was last game.Chromiak should play with Collins and Robinson with Toure.Both Collins and Toure skate well enough to cover up for them

All hypothetical dude... Could stay put as well and maybe land Dvorksky here ourselves. All I know isn that Toure is the only one I think they will move on the backend because of the youth to Mania, Chromiak, Collins, Bishop. We only have three left shooting guys in Robinson, Anania and Holmes. Anania blocks a ton of shots if you haven't noticed. Not too many do. Would you want to move that out? Toure can bring us back some picks. He was a surprise at camp and we have too many 19 year olds so someone will have to move out. Just my opinion. Judging by his lack of ice time the last few games and the fact that he is playing the right wing because all other d are dressed to is the writing on the wall usually.

WJ

Toure is on the NHL draft radar and Anania is on university scouts radar.Anania block shots but often he is making up for a defensive lapse.Bishop should not have been kept over Protz,or even Bruce who both clearly outplayed him during training camp.I would choose Toure over Anania or even Holmes as an overager.Chromiak and Robinson are clearly defensive liabilities on the backend and should play with either Collins or Toure to cover their mistakes

 

[justawolfan]

I think if you keep Pharand with Goyette and Musty, slot in Degrasia with Mccallum and Delic for a run of games. See what kind of production you can get from those two lines. Mix in the rest from there. Thought Villneuve has played well past couple games as well.

Delic worked well with Goyette last year because of his creativity and as a set-up guy he needs to be playing with a guy that can put the puck in the net! That ability is being wasted right now.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Delic worked well with Goyette last year because of his creativity and as a set-up guy he needs to be playing with a guy that can put the puck in the net! That ability is being wasted right now.

I agree. Dvorsky would be great with Delic. That would be a pretty sick one two line especially next season. Would be a huge Christmas gift!

Musty Goyette Konyen
Delic Dvorsky Pharand
DeGrazia Larmand McCallum
Walton Villeneuve Boudreau
Assadourian Mauro

WJ

 

[I Loveallsports]

I believe what they're trying to do is move someone other than Toure and giving other teams a good look at the remaining D.

Only thing that make sense from what we're seeing how they're handling him.

He and Mania are two most mobile they have on the back-end.

 

[dirty12]

I agree with WJ that Toure is the one to go. Collins, Mania, & Chromiak are the RD for the next two years, right?
The Colts and Petes might want Toure to have a better than most #5D.

 

[cobra9850]

I agree with WJ that Toure is the one to go. Collins, Mania, & Chromiak are the RD for the next two years, right?
The Colts and Petes might want Toure to have a better than most #5D.

Toure is talented enough to play on his off side.Our defence has been our most glaring weakness.Teams need big tough and mobile defenceman.Anania ,Robinson and Chromiak are costing the Wolves victories in games they should have won.Toure has been at least our 2nd best D.It would and will be a mistake if he is traded.

 

[Pucks Deep]

I agree. Dvorsky would be great with Delic. That would be a pretty sick one two line especially next season. Would be a huge Christmas gift!

Musty Goyette Konyen
Delic Dvorsky Pharand
DeGrazia Larmand McCallum
Walton Villeneuve Boudreau
Assadourian Mauro

WJ

WJ, How do we know Dvorsky is a sniper? Have you been watching his games or just going off stats? Because his stats don’t show him as a goal scorer to me. But what the hell do I know. I assume you have some inside info for us if he were to magically report

 

[dirty12]

Toure is talented enough to play on his off side.Our defence has been our most glaring weakness.Teams need big tough and mobile defenceman.Anania ,Robinson and Chromiak are costing the Wolves victories in games they should have won.Toure has been at least our 2nd best D.It would and will be a mistake if he is traded.

The wolves can’t have 3 or even 2 OA D next season, so whomever returns most goes?
Idk what the plan is ROS, but something drastic has to happen for the wolves to win a play off round

 

[djscooter]

Dvorsky is getting pretty good ice time for AIK, he's not coming over. It feels like we should let that, as well as the Hage dream die sadly.

If the Wolves trade Toure, it's the nail in the coffin that Papineau is drunk at the wheel. I'd love to see them move Chromiak back with Holmes, as that pairing was great. Feels like there's a lot of misguided blame placed on the 17-year-old Chromiak for not being able to carry the 20-year-old Dylan Robinson. Robinson is a boat anchor, no matter who he plays with.

Would love to see the wolves move to the following pairings until any deals are made

Holmes(PP2) - Chromiak(PP2)
Anania - Toure
Collins - Mania(PP1)

They've seen a lot of success with all three of those pairings this year. The group is already not the fastest, and when you put Robinson on the blueline instead of Toure, it makes that problem 10x worse.

 

[Wolfman Jack]

Dvorsky is getting pretty good ice time for AIK, he's not coming over. It feels like we should let that, as well as the Hage dream die sadly.

If the Wolves trade Toure, it's the nail in the coffin that Papineau is drunk at the wheel. I'd love to see them move Chromiak back with Holmes, as that pairing was great. Feels like there's a lot of misguided blame placed on the 17-year-old Chromiak for not being able to carry the 20-year-old Dylan Robinson. Robinson is a boat anchor, no matter who he plays with.

Would love to see the wolves move to the following pairings until any deals are made

Holmes(PP2) - Chromiak(PP2)
Anania - Toure
Collins - Mania(PP1)

They've seen a lot of success with all three of those pairings this year. The group is already not the fastest, and when you put Robinson on the blueline instead of Toure, it makes that problem 10x worse.

Don't think you will see Robinson off this roster. I know that's what most want but with him coming back after being away for a month tells me they are committing to him. The only player I see worth trading to help us next year whether its draft picks or an 18 year old player is Toure. They will not let Chromiak go that's a no brainer, Mania is finally emerging as an offensive guy on the point and will probably get drafted. He is our future with Chromiak. Collins is an 18 year RD who has size and skill and who is also drafted and very hard to come by in the OHL. He isn't going no where as we need him next year to be the leader back there. Holmes is out Captain and probably our OA back there next year. Anania maybe will go but we lack any left handed guys on the backend and he would not get the Wolves as much in a deal as would Toure. Toure still has a lot to learn. Only been in the league one year but has a huge upside. He would bring back the most value in a deal. You have to be willing to give up something to get something in return.

As for Hage yes I agree that ship sailed long ago. Hopefully the Rangers do us a favour and deal with Papineau for maybe a piece for cheap as we helped them get an additional first round pick this coming draft by making that deal. As for Dvorsky that door is not closed imo. He is playing with men. The kid and his agents would be wise now to make the move over to see him compete at the major junior level to give scouts a closer look and as well to play on a team that has Musty, Mania being scouted among others on a nightly basis. If he doesn't come this year which is more likely he will next year after being drafted. At this point its all about $ imo.

Wolves are in a good position however they do need to make the playoffs and they need to string some wins together very soon as team like Oshawa, Hamilton and Kingston have been winning. Granted some moves may be made where those teams might become weaker but who's to say. They get enough wins before the deadline the Wolves will have tough time making ground in the last stretch of the season as some teams that they will play like North Bay will get stronger as well as Barrie. So Papineau has to be very creative, hope for some luck with Dvorsky and see where it goes. It shall be interesting... Zulich wants the playoffs!!!

WJ

 

[dirty12]

Yeah Zullich wants a playoff berth, he promised a long run this season The wolves just have to pass selling Hamilton or Oshawa to get there. But to get past one of Petes, ‘67s, NB …?

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Dvorsky is getting pretty good ice time for AIK, he's not coming over. It feels like we should let that, as well as the Hage dream die sadly.

If the Wolves trade Toure, it's the nail in the coffin that Papineau is drunk at the wheel. I'd love to see them move Chromiak back with Holmes, as that pairing was great. Feels like there's a lot of misguided blame placed on the 17-year-old Chromiak for not being able to carry the 20-year-old Dylan Robinson. Robinson is a boat anchor, no matter who he plays with.

Would love to see the wolves move to the following pairings until any deals are made

Holmes(PP2) - Chromiak(PP2)
Anania - Toure
Collins - Mania(PP1)

They've seen a lot of success with all three of those pairings this year. The group is already not the fastest, and when you put Robinson on the blueline instead of Toure, it makes that problem 10x worse.

That’s a late Birthday Chromiack who isn’t eligible for NHL till 2024. The kid is a Stud and is showing more and more this season with (at times) very limited ice time. Is an A Level prospect that will be top half (IMO, or higher) 1st rounder. Start watching him for his intelligence and positioning; mature beyond his years. Skating power stride needs to improve ( but all kids need to improve), edge work is elite.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Don't think you will see Robinson off this roster. I know that's what most want but with him coming back after being away for a month tells me they are committing to him. The only player I see worth trading to help us next year whether its draft picks or an 18 year old player is Toure. They will not let Chromiak go that's a no brainer, Mania is finally emerging as an offensive guy on the point and will probably get drafted. He is our future with Chromiak. Collins is an 18 year RD who has size and skill and who is also drafted and very hard to come by in the OHL. He isn't going no where as we need him next year to be the leader back there. Holmes is out Captain and probably our OA back there next year. Anania maybe will go but we lack any left handed guys on the backend and he would not get the Wolves as much in a deal as would Toure. Toure still has a lot to learn. Only been in the league one year but has a huge upside. He would bring back the most value in a deal. You have to be willing to give up something to get something in return.

As for Hage yes I agree that ship sailed long ago. Hopefully the Rangers do us a favour and deal with Papineau for maybe a piece for cheap as we helped them get an additional first round pick this coming draft by making that deal. As for Dvorsky that door is not closed imo. He is playing with men. The kid and his agents would be wise now to make the move over to see him compete at the major junior level to give scouts a closer look and as well to play on a team that has Musty, Mania being scouted among others on a nightly basis. If he doesn't come this year which is more likely he will next year after being drafted. At this point its all about $ imo.

Wolves are in a good position however they do need to make the playoffs and they need to string some wins together very soon as team like Oshawa, Hamilton and Kingston have been winning. Granted some moves may be made where those teams might become weaker but who's to say. They get enough wins before the deadline the Wolves will have tough time making ground in the last stretch of the season as some teams that they will play like North Bay will get stronger as well as Barrie. So Papineau has to be very creative, hope for some luck with Dvorsky and see where it goes. It shall be interesting... Zulich wants the playoffs!!!

WJ

If Devorsky becomes a Wolf, it will happen after his new NHL team tells him that’s where he’ll be playing 23-24 season. Not this season, but hopefully next. If Kraken get him, I see it as a no-brainer to join teammate Goyette and countryman Chromiack in the barn on Elgin.