Strome or Hanifin

[CrazyCanuck89]

thank you NotSince67, someone gets it about ncaa, and my other point about where hanafin lands is important beacuse if he lands to a team with good def or a team with no good def it depends or that if some teams have room or not ect..., was just saying if hanafin is given opportunity to succeed he will like ekblad was this season, not saying one is better than the other

CrazyCanuck89, proof please, giving an opinion or arguing against is useless with no facts to back your claim
i mean its pretty simple ncaa, has the tougher QoC, the players are older more mature and filled out, faster and stronger ect....

I never said their wasn't talent in the NCAA. All I said was that their is more talent in the CHL, therefore making it the better league. If the Memorial cup champs played the NCAA champs, that would be the best indicator. This does not happen, so we will never know.

CHL
Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Shea Weber, PK Subban, Rick Nash, Patrick Kane, Joe Thorton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Getzlaf, Corry Perry, Ducan Keith (played in both), Bent Seabrook, Drew Doughty, Carey Price...

NCAA
Phil Kessel, Jonathon Towes, Joe Pavelski, David Bakes, Ryan Miller, Ryan Kesler, Martin St.Louis, Jonathon Quick...

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

^ I never claimed ncaa to have more talent and I have no idea what bringing up a list of players is doing, and ofc more players graduate from Chl to the nhl, like the sun rises and sets everyday ....
I just said ncaa is a harder league to play in, cause it's a older league, where players are stronger, bigger and harder to play against

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

The level of play I don't necessarily think is the argument. The NCAA with the age gap, strength and maturity is a very strong league. This is familiar to me as I follow CIS hockey where the top teams like Alberta and UNB would hammer most CHL counterparts. That being said, players do not play CIS as an 18/19 year old instead of Major Junior as many see the CHL as the best route to the pros, presumably because of its NHL like schedule, its coaching, scouting etc.

The level of play argument is not there for me. It is which is the better development route, which seems to be somewhat different from player to player. I do not have an opinion either way.

That being said, for top end talent, the CHL has done really well draft wise lately. Of the top 5 picks in the NHL entry drafts since 2008:

2008 - all 5 from CHL
2009 - 4 from CHL
2010 - all 5 from CHL
2011 - 4 from CHL
2012 - all 5 from CHL
2013 - 3 from CHL
2014 - all 5 from CHL

It's pretty obvious where the best players come from and what is the best developmental route
I was merely point out that ncaa players can't put up points like they do in Chl

 

[Yosho]

Both guys are hard to pass up. Both have great franchise potential, IMO.

Imagining a future Rielly - Hanifin pairing is mouth-watering. That would solidify the blue line in terms of future.

But

We don't have a Centerman in our system with the potential of Strome. Not even close. He's big and skilled. These types of players don't come around often - especially in Leafs draft-pick territory. We've been yearning for this type of player for nearly a decade. No, he's not McDavid or Eichel, but he's a pretty damn good consolation prize.

IMO it's easily Strome.

 

[mikebel111*]

Hanifin

 

[silentbob37*]

Both guys are hard to pass up. Both have great franchise potential, IMO.

Imagining a future Rielly - Hanifin pairing is mouth-watering. That would solidify the blue line in terms of future.

But

We don't have a Centerman in our system with the potential of Strome. Not even close. He's big and skilled. These types of players don't come around often - especially in Leafs draft-pick territory. We've been yearning for this type of player for nearly a decade. No, he's not McDavid or Eichel, but he's a pretty damn good consolation prize.

IMO it's easily Strome.

To build a winner you don't NEED a franchise centerman (which they need the 1-2 pick to get anyway, or to get very lucky) or a franchise D-man

You need 2-3 franchise PLAYERS. PERIOD. The Devils won 3 cups without a top tier center man. The Ducks won a cup with MacDonald as their #1. The Bruins with Bergeron. The Penguins won a cup with Letang as their #1 D. Who was the #1 when the Canes won the cup?

The player with the higher potential and/or the greatest odd of reaching that poential is who you take. Between Hanifin and Strome, thats Hanifin.

 

[one77]

You pick Hanifin 10 times out of 10.

Marner, on the other hand, is a different story. Kid is outperforming McDavid and Eichel at the moment, while playing center...

 

[The Missing Piece]

Marner

 

[Porn*]

I would hope that the scouts are analyzing next years crop. If D heavy grab strome or marner. If not... Hanifin. Build from the back end is my philosophy

 

[Bluejaysfan*]

Both guys are hard to pass up. Both have great franchise potential, IMO.

Imagining a future Rielly - Hanifin pairing is mouth-watering. That would solidify the blue line in terms of future.

But

We don't have a Centerman in our system with the potential of Strome. Not even close. He's big and skilled. These types of players don't come around often - especially in Leafs draft-pick territory. We've been yearning for this type of player for nearly a decade. No, he's not McDavid or Eichel, but he's a pretty damn good consolation prize.

IMO it's easily Strome.

If we got Hanifin, I wouldn't put him on the same pairing as Rielly. That would neutralize their best asset (skating). I would rather have Rielly on pairing 1 and Hanifin on pairing 2. It would mean having either of the 2 on the ice for probably 50 minutes of the game. It would be like putting 2 Doughty's on 1 pairing, it wouldn't be as effective.

 

[thewave]

Not even voting happy with either. Probably edge Strome a tiny bit.

 

[Confucius]

The three seem pretty close as far as the fans are concerned, that being the case we should go with either Strome or Marner, I understand both are Leaf fans. Hanifin, I don't know but I think he's a Bruin's fan. Anyway if we are picking 5th and Strome and Marner are gone than yeah we take Hanifin.

 

[frankthetank91]

I take Strome AND Marner over Hanifin.

Deal with it.

 

[BigWilly]

I take Strome AND Marner over Hanifin.

Deal with it.

Same. I'm really hoping that Edmonton takes Hanifin.

 

[KingBrian]

I never said their wasn't talent in the NCAA. All I said was that their is more talent in the CHL, therefore making it the better league. If the Memorial cup champs played the NCAA champs, that would be the best indicator. This does not happen, so we will never know.

CHL
Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Shea Weber, PK Subban, Rick Nash, Patrick Kane, Joe Thorton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Getzlaf, Corry Perry, Ducan Keith (played in both), Bent Seabrook, Drew Doughty, Carey Price...

NCAA
Phil Kessel, Jonathon Towes, Joe Pavelski, David Bakes, Ryan Miller, Ryan Kesler, Martin St.Louis, Jonathon Quick...

Nhl Prospects on the University of Dakota: Zane McIntyre (Boston Bruins, 2010). Defensemen: Tucker Poolman (Winnipeg Jets, 2013); Keaton Thompson (Anaheim Ducks, 2013); Nick Mattson (Chicago Blackhawks, 2010); Paul Ladue (Los Angeles Kings, 2012); Gage Ausmus (San Jose Sharks, 2013); Jordan Schmaltz (St. Louis Blues, 2012). Forwards: Wade Murphy (Nashville Predators, 2013); Nick Schmaltz (Chicago Blackhawks, 2014); Austin Poganski (St. Louis Blues, 2014); Michael Parks (Philadelphia Flyers, 2010); Mark MacMillan (Montreal Canadiens, 2010); Brendan O'Donnell (Tampa Bay Lightning, 2010); Luke Johnson (Chicago Blackhawks, 2013) Vs the Chl Edmonton oil kings: Curtis Lazar,Tristan Jarry, Griffin Reinhart, Henrik Samuelsson,Keegan Lowe, Travis Ewanyk, Michael St. Croix, Laurent Brossoit, Mark Pysyk....The Chl is totally beater...Also, Dakota hasn't even won the Ncca title yet, they're are just the projected winners

 

[kihei]

We've been looking for an elite center since Sundin. Grab Strome.

 

[Nithoniniel]

For most of the season, Hanifin has been secure as #3. Lately there seem to be much more open, as both Strome and Marner has been talked about in that position. Even Crouse has been mentioned.

It'll be interesting to see how it goes.

 

[Super Mega]

Hanifin for sure if he is available

leafs need a center but they also need another top pair D

 

[Super Mega]

Button on Leafs Lunch today basically saying strome/marner in the 3/4 spot

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I never said their wasn't talent in the NCAA. All I said was that their is more talent in the CHL, therefore making it the better league. If the Memorial cup champs played the NCAA champs, that would be the best indicator. This does not happen, so we will never know.

CHL
Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Shea Weber, PK Subban, Rick Nash, Patrick Kane, Joe Thorton, Patrick Marleau, Ryan Getzlaf, Corry Perry, Ducan Keith (played in both), Bent Seabrook, Drew Doughty, Carey Price...

NCAA
Phil Kessel, Jonathon Towes, Joe Pavelski, David Bakes, Ryan Miller, Ryan Kesler, Martin St.Louis, Jonathon Quick...

If the memorial cup champions played the NCAA champions, they would get smacked.

 

[Nylanderthal]

We've been looking for an elite center since Sundin. Grab Strome.

We've been looking for elite D since Salming, draft hanifin.

 

[Hero]

Marner = P. Kane
Strome = J. Thornton
Hanifin = R. Suter

Can't go wrong, but I go with Hanifin.

 

[613Leafer]

For most of the season, Hanifin has been secure as #3. Lately there seem to be much more open, as both Strome and Marner has been talked about in that position. Even Crouse has been mentioned.

It'll be interesting to see how it goes.

Reminds me of Jones, Drouin, and Barkov, in 2013. Jones was the consensus (not unanimous mind you) best prospect of the three, but ended up going after the other two.

Jones not going top two in that draft was somewhat surprising, but not shocking. Same for this draft. I think most of us expect Hanifin to go 3rd, but it wouldnt be shocking if he dropped 1-2 spots. Even Provorov IMO should be in this conversation, he's an incredible prospect as well.

 

[King Mapes]

Reminds me of Jones, Drouin, and Barkov, in 2013. Jones was the consensus (not unanimous mind you) best prospect of the three, but ended up going after the other two.

Jones not going top two in that draft was somewhat surprising, but not shocking. Same for this draft. I think most of us expect Hanifin to go 3rd, but it wouldnt be shocking if he dropped 1-2 spots. Even Provorov IMO should be in this conversation, he's an incredible prospect as well.

I'd agree and have said this in the past but keep in mind who is likely to pick 3rd. They'd be crazy not to take Hanifin. But if anyone else picks there, I won't be surprised if they pass on him.

 

[ConnorTO]

we need a legit center !

start with dylan