Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[OtherThingsILike]

Has there ever been an instance where a team purposefully offer sheets a ridiculous amount to their rivals best player?

It was technically a rivalry between owners and not between teams, but yes, back when the Hurricanes offer sheeted Fedorov from the Red Wings.

"Karmanos got payback in February 1998 when Carolina tendered Wings center Sergei Fedorov an offer sheet that would have paid him $38 million over six years, including a $14 million signing bonus and another $12 million bonus if the team reached the conference finals. Since the Hurricanes sat last in the Northeast Division, they were at little risk of having to pony up the $12 million. To keep Fedorov, however, Ilitch, whose Wings had the NHL's second-best record, had to match the offer. Ultimately Detroit won the Cup and paid Fedorov $28 million in a four-month span."

Source:

https://archive.ph/20130119171553/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1026010/index.htm#selection-509.0-525.63

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Oilers will somehow match. They not gonna take these weak draft picks.

My guess is they match Holloway but let Broberg go. 4.5M is just far too steep for their cap hit without taking some very serious risks with Kane and LITR. If he's ready earlier than expected, they'd be completely screwed.

 

[LemonSauceD]

It was technically a rivalry between owners and not between teams, but yes, back when the Hurricanes offer sheeted Fedorov from the Red Wings.

"Karmanos got payback in February 1998 when Carolina tendered Wings center Sergei Fedorov an offer sheet that would have paid him $38 million over six years, including a $14 million signing bonus and another $12 million bonus if the team reached the conference finals. Since the Hurricanes sat last in the Northeast Division, they were at little risk of having to pony up the $12 million. To keep Fedorov, however, Ilitch, whose Wings had the NHL's second-best record, had to match the offer. Ultimately Detroit won the Cup and paid Fedorov $28 million in a four-month span."

Source:

https://archive.ph/20130119171553/http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1026010/index.htm#selection-509.0-525.63

28M in 4 months is insane, especially back then

 

[Scintillating10]

Problem with those offers to stars is I think the other team just matches. I mean if Bouchard has a big year then Edmonton probably doesn’t have a problem paying him $700k more than Nurse.

Well, you need situation where team is hard up against cap. For it to work. I just used Bouchard as example. Didn't mean anything by it.

Could us Boston goalie this year as another exampleo. If a good team needing netminding offer him 10 million long term. Bruins be hard pressed to match.

They get Vezina caliber goalie for 7 years, all prime years. Give up 2-30th overall picks in upcoming drafts, and a late 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Hobnobs]

28M in 4 months is insane, especially back then

Yup and all because the moron Karmanos had a beef with Illitch.

 

[The don godfather]

Well, you need situation where team is hard up against cap. For it to work. I just used Bouchard as example. Didn't mean anything by it.

Could us Boston goalie this year as another exampleo. If a good team needing netminding offer him 10 million long term. Bruins be hard pressed to match.

They get Vezina caliber goalie for 7 years, all prime years. Give up 2-30th overall picks in upcoming drafts, and a late 2nd and 3rd.

Bruins wont let sway go .

 

[Robtom18]

Kane is out several months so he could be LTIR’d

That’s 5.25 mill saved right there
Maybe a Ceci trade
Maybe send Perry and Ryan to the minors

There’s ways

Perry would prob get claimed. You have to be compliant before start of season. So 4 dats left and kane still isnt ltir. We shall ser

Doubt it, they will be over the cap and would need to unload. To unload some bad contract they would need to use high picks as assets

Yeah and they dont have a first or second in 25

 

[DomBarr]

Could always trade them after a year before the Drai extension kicks in.

I don't think that's possible unless the Oilers want to leave Draisatl unsigned until like Aug 11 2025. They can't be traded for a full calendar year if the Oilers Match.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Bruins wont let sway go .

No, but they wouldn't be able to fit $10m on the cap and have few options to make the space. If they end up having to add a 1st to Korpisalo to get rid of him to make the cap work... then it shows how bad Sweeney messed up the Ullmark deal.

Basically Ullmark for Kastelic at that point.

 

[BruinsJoe]

No, but they wouldn't be able to fit $10m on the cap and have few options to make the space. If they end up having to add a 1st to Korpisalo to get rid of him to make the cap work... then it shows how bad Sweeney messed up the Ullmark deal.

Basically Ullmark for Kastelic at that point.

They can simply waive Korpisalo

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Perry would prob get claimed. You have to be compliant before start of season. So 4 dats left and kane still isnt ltir. We shall ser


Yeah and they dont have a first or second in 25

Perry claimed lol.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

To lose two first round talents for a 2nd and 3rd is a bit rough

Yamamoto and Puljujaarvi were 1st round picks.

They showed way more than Holloway before we gave them over $2m AAV each. Then nobody really wanted them at that price tag.
We had to throw in a sweetener for Detroit to take Yamamoto, and they just bought him out.

The thing with depth players, is the main value they bring is outperforming their contract. Holloway miiiiight become a crash and bang 20 goal scorer one day, but sofar he's tracking like Tyler Pitlick.

I wouldn't pay $2m AAV for Pitlick.

 

[Dr Quincy]

They can simply waive Korpisalo

That saves about 400k

They'd need to create another ~1m.

 

[TurgPavs]

Really starting to sound like Edmonton was low balling the crap out of both Holloway and Broberg in contract negotiations, all the while dropping nearly 10 million in UFA.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

What I'm saying is if you lose Ceci and keep Broberg, you just solved one problem and created an equal one for the next season. And Broberg makes about $1.35MM more next year so it's not the same AAV either.

Ceci and Broberg both played well in the playoffs.... Ceci was often better than Nurse and nearly always better than Kulak. If you lose Ceci... you just opened up a sizeable problem on your defense that Joshua Brown doesn't fix. Nor does Strecher.

You're now are missing a big RHD that played 20 minutes a game for the Oilers last year and wasn't your worst defender either. Played in nearly every game too so he is reliable to be in the lineup. It doesn't make you better to lose Ceci. It makes the Oilers a bit worse and in a tough spot to backfill. Big RHD.

It means you play Kulak and Nurse more and wear them down. Puts more pressure on Broberg too. And he's definitely having to play off hand as well. Oh yes. And I guess no Kane next year either.

Amen!
People love to hate on Ceci a lot more than its deserved.

 

[TKB21]

Really starting to sound like Edmonton was low balling the crap out of both Holloway and Broberg in contract negotiations, all the while dropping nearly 10 million in UFA.

Probably because the UFAs they signed were worth that cash. Broberg and Holloway aren’t worth even close to the ridiculous amount they just got from St. Louis. It’s More likely Broberg is in the AHL in two years then it is he’s playing as a top 4 Dman, he’s literally only had a 10 game stretch of good hockey….take the picks and let St. Louis waste money and assets on two guys that probably never put it together.

 

[McJedi]

Amen!
People love to hate on Ceci a lot more than its deserved.

The Oilers play Ceci 20 minutes a night. There are much worse defenders in the NHL than Ceci. Just trading him for "future considerations" doesn't answer the question of what happens to Ceci's 20 minutes a game. And go watch game 7 of the finals. Ceci was strong in that game. Made the incredible pass on the game tying goal. The Oilers coaching staff taps this Ceci guy on the shoulder a whole lot and he has a big role on that defense.

Look at Ceci's stat card from last year. +2.8 net rating on this player. Kulak was a +3.3 net rating player. Broberg you ask? Broberg was a -1.0 net rating.

Skater | HockeyStatCards.com

And you can't say Broberg takes Ceci's minutes because Broberg was also penciled into the October 2024 line-up.

So does Joshua Brown (a bad #7 on most NHL teams) now step into those 20 minutes a game? ok... have fun with that. Like you'll have fun not playing a healthy Kane on your 2nd line because he needs to be LTIR.

Trading either of Ceci (future considerations) or Kulak + a pick or LTIR contract like Poolman to dump either of them doesn't make Edmonton better. It makes them worse and that should be a problem for this non Cup winning club that's hoping to run it back and...I guess not win again.

 

[McJedi]

Another thing that's been lost in all this.

Broberg signed this offer sheet knowing if really screws over the Oilers cap situation this year and next summer since he can't even be traded until mid August 2025.

This Broberg dude doesn't want to be an Oilers. He already requested a trade and he worked hard with his agent and Holloway to co-sign offer sheets at the exact same time, post arbitration, that puts Edmonton in a particularly bad place to match. Broberg and Holloway did this to Edmonton on purpose. Anyone care to ask why?

It's pretty freaking obvious Broberg wants out. and it's pretty obvious Holloway does too.

What does this do to locker room chemistry? Guess what... Broberg doesn't a give a F what it does to the Oilers cap situation or locker-room. He doesn't care what it says to Drai and McDavid as they ponder a future in Edmonton. Doesn't care what it tells pending RFA Bouchard either. So the Oilers want to match the toxic offer-sheet to keep this player?

If the Oilers do match... Might as well put Bouchard down for $10MM/per year next summer.

 

[Robtom18]

Perry claimed lol.

Tampa or possibly florida who knows. Just dont expect everthing to work out rember how that worked out two offer sheets broberg is gonna look good in blue

Another thing that's been lost in all this.

Broberg signed this contract knowing if really screws over the Oilers cap situation this year and next summer since he can't even be traded until mid August 2025.

The dude doesn't want to be there. He already requested a trade and he worked with Holloway to co-sign offer sheets post arbitration that put Edmonton in a particularly bad place to match.

It's pretty freaking obvious Broberg wants out. and it's pretty obvious Holloway does too.

What does this do to locker room chemistry. Guess what... Broberg doesn't a give a F what it does. What it says to Drai and McDavid... Or pending RFA Bouchard.

He wants a legit shot at pkaying top 4 minutes who woukdnt. Edm front office "hry kid we need you to take a baxk seat get limited play time maybee go back to ahl and take a measly 1 mil a year so we can contend". Broberg wants to play and have a larger role. Its asinine to stunt his career and eranings cause they want him too. He gone maybee the front office should

 

[TKB21]

Tampa or possibly florida who knows. Just dont expect everthing to work out rember how that worked out two offer sheets broberg is gonna look good in blue


He wants a legit shot at pkaying top 4 minutes who woukdnt. Edm front office "hry kid we need you to take a baxk seat get limited play time maybee go back to ahl and take a measly 1 mil a year so we can contend". Broberg wants to play and have a larger role. It’s asinine to stunt his career and eranings cause they want him too. He gone maybee the front office should

No F’ing clue what I just read…

 

[Dead Meat]

The guy has played 90 games and he's the second coming of the nhl ironman that played top pairing for Canada...?

 

[GrumpyKoala]

He wants a legit shot at pkaying top 4 minutes who woukdnt. Edm front office "hry kid we need you to take a baxk seat get limited play time maybee go back to ahl and take a measly 1 mil a year so we can contend". Broberg wants to play and have a larger role. Its asinine to stunt his career and eranings cause they want him too. He gone maybee the front office should

For the money Ill take it,

As for his carrier development and perceived futur value, who he gonna be paired with?
Perunovitch ? injury Faulk?
Good f***ing luck looking half decent there. He need someone somewhat solid in the D zone to play with.
Gonna be fun looking at Bennington tantrum this year

 

[The don godfather]

No, but they wouldn't be able to fit $10m on the cap and have few options to make the space. If they end up having to add a 1st to Korpisalo to get rid of him to make the cap work... then it shows how bad Sweeney messed up the Ullmark deal.

Basically Ullmark for Kastelic at that point.

Yep like that's gonna happen. I play lottery on weekends too.

 

[Robtom18]

For the money Ill take it,

As for his carrier development and perceived futur value, who he gonna be paired with?
Perunovitch ? injury Faulk?
Good f***ing luck looking half decent there. He need someone somewhat solid in the D zone to play with.
Gonna be fun looking at Bennington tantrum this year

Kessel at first a solid kid but we are surching for paraykos long term partner. Another jaybp

 

[Reality Czech]

Kessel at first a solid kid but we are surching for paraykos long term partner. Another jaybp

Dude, you need to stop posting while driving.