Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[JTRAIN1966]

The problem is it’s not just one bad management group. It’s successive ones with Lowe, Chiarelli and Holland. And now Bowman not off to a promising start in his first few months on the job.

You are correct !

I should've said......" TEAMS " . I figured if, Katz or, whatever the owner's name is that, i could lump it all into one because, he ultimately makes the final decisions .

 

[McClelland]

Gee. If only there was a way you could avoid reading this thread.
Anyhoo. First double offer sheet in league history. It’s a pretty hot topic in the dog days of summer.

Coming from a Nucks fan! You seems to like every post who has negative narratives för the Oilers

Still stingy för the 2nd round exit?

 

[Frank Drebin]

A competent management group can do amazing things with a 2nd and a 3rd. For example, offer sheeting 2 young rfa players that could better the team.

Competitive teams don't offersheet players. They can't afford the absurd cap hits.

But those second and third round picks can likely be used for TDL pickups this spring to replace what Holloway and Broberg brought. Likely rentals, not long term unfortunately.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Competitive teams don't offersheet players. They can't afford the absurd cap hits.

But those second and third round picks can likely be used for TDL pickups this spring to replace what Holloway and Broberg brought. Likely rentals, not long term unfortunately.

I don’t think it matters whether the teams are competitive or not, offer sheets just haven’t generally been effective overall. Carolina is certainly competitive and they made an offer sheet for Kotkanemi. I think what GM’s have learned is that it’s not an effective tactic for established higher end players as the cost in terms of picks is too high or the other team just matches.
It could be an effective tactic against cap strapped teams with unproven players with upside though. Time will tell.

 

[ddawg1950]

if it was my decision, I'd do the old Burke "Drive 'em to the airport."

Want to sign an offer sheet with a non playoff team? Instead of a run to the Cup? Adios. Sure, each of them could be the star they think they are, but I don't see it.

Go with the guys that want to be on the team. And wait for an opportunity to settle scores later.

 

[nerevarine]

if it was my decision, I'd do the old Burke "Drive 'em to the airport."

Want to sign an offer sheet with a non playoff team? Instead of a run to the Cup? Adios. Sure, each of them could be the star they think they are, but I don't see it.

Go with the guys that want to be on the team. And wait for an opportunity to settle scores later.

I dont blame them, they are young and who would turn down life altering money, one injury or a struggling start could mean ahl time and who knows where their career takes them.

That being said, edmonton has to let them walk. Cup favourites cannot pay bloated cap hits for potential, a bottom feeder like st loius can take the risk and its a shrewd move.

 

[Mike Liut]

The only part I don’t like for the Blues is, if you can’t resign them, you just spent good assets on a 2 year rental, when your actual window doesn’t even open for 2 years.

 

[Three On Zero]

if it was my decision, I'd do the old Burke "Drive 'em to the airport."

Want to sign an offer sheet with a non playoff team? Instead of a run to the Cup? Adios. Sure, each of them could be the star they think they are, but I don't see it.

Go with the guys that want to be on the team. And wait for an opportunity to settle scores later.

Take less money and potentially not win a cup.

Take more money and potentially not win a cup.

You can’t fault two young players for thinking about their future over a potential meaningless engraving on a cup. Neither of these guys are tried and true NHL players. This could ultimately be the biggest contract they ever sign. They aren’t exactly leaving a juggernaut that’s a perennial cup contender. They are leaving a team that was just as close to losing in the 2nd round as they were to winning the cup.

 

[strattonius]

Coming from a Nucks fan! You seems to like every post who has negative narratives för the Oilers

Still stingy för the 2nd round exit?

How are these offer sheets not bad news for the Oilers? Will be interesting to see how Bowman works around this.

It's a very strategic move by Armstrong to attempt to pluck two young assets from a CAP strapped team.

This victim complex that this is only news because 'Oilers' is an interesting deflection from what's really happening here. Basically if these offer sheets are not news in your hockey world in August, you're a casual fan - but we are on hf boards. It's more shocking to see Oiler fans believe this is a non-story.

 

[Mrb1p]

They're retooling. Trying to stay somewhat competitive while the next wave of talent arrives. Snuggerud, Bolduc, Dvorsky, Kessel, Hofer, Neighbours, Lindstein, Stenberg, Dean, etc.

Adding young players is extremely in line with that approach. Especially big and fast ones who can play an in-your-face style. They've lacked intensity and straight-line players lately. They want to build towards the style of play Neighbors and Toropchenko bring.

Retooling? Theres like one good prospect in that list of names...

 

[Djp]

I don’t think it matters whether the teams are competitive or not, offer sheets just haven’t generally been effective overall. Carolina is certainly competitive and they made an offer sheet for Kotkanemi. I think what GM’s have learned is that it’s not an effective tactic for established higher end players as the cost in terms of picks is too high or the other team just matches.
It could be an effective tactic against cap strapped teams with unproven players with upside though. Time will tell.

Carolina responded to the Aho OS montreal did

 

[Mike Liut]

Retooling? Theres like one good prospect in that list of names...

Do you watch hockey?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Carolina responded to the Aho OS montreal did

It was more than that as they signed him long term after that too.

 

[Mrb1p]

Do you watch hockey?

No never Im partial to cricket myself.

 

[rumrokh]

Retooling? Theres like one good prospect in that list of names...

Bless your heart.

 

[Three On Zero]

Retooling? Theres like one good prospect in that list of names...

Probably half the league would kill for a prospect pool like that.

 

[ddawg1950]

Take less money and potentially not win a cup.

Take more money and potentially not win a cup.

You can’t fault two young players for thinking about their future over a potential meaningless engraving on a cup. Neither of these guys are tried and true NHL players. This could ultimately be the biggest contract they ever sign. They aren’t exactly leaving a juggernaut that’s a perennial cup contender. They are leaving a team that was just as close to losing in the 2nd round as they were to winning the cup.

A meaningless engraving on a Cup? The one GOAL that players in the NHL obsess about continually? That would be my point of disagreement because I believe that's why they play. To be fair, I think Broberg was also completely dissatisfied with the Oilers development in his career and was looking for a way out.

But yes, the Oil should let them both walk.

 

[esks123]

Take less money and potentially not win a cup.

Take more money and potentially not win a cup.

You can’t fault two young players for thinking about their future over a potential meaningless engraving on a cup. Neither of these guys are tried and true NHL players. This could ultimately be the biggest contract they ever sign. They aren’t exactly leaving a juggernaut that’s a perennial cup contender. They are leaving a team that was just as close to losing in the 2nd round as they were to winning the cup.

Sure, bro.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Either way...... the management team for the Oilers have let the fans down .

I really do feel for the Edmonton faithful for having such an atrocious front office/management team running things .

It's going to suck for them if, McDavid & Draisaitil don't get that Cup for them because of the ineptitude of the front office/management team .

I've said it for years, the Oilers don't even need top tier management, they just need competent management and we can't even manage that. The potato would still be a better GM than any we've had since the lockout.

 

[Three On Zero]

A meaningless engraving on a Cup? The one GOAL that players in the NHL obsess about continually? That would be my point of disagreement because I believe that's why they play. To be fair, I think Broberg was also completely dissatisfied with the Oilers development in his career and was looking for a way out.

But yes, the Oil should let them both walk.

More so meaningless because they are essentially depth players, no one is going to remember them on a cup winning team.

Name on a cup which doesn’t pay the bills, earn millions above your expected salary that sets you up for life.

Winning a cup is far more meaningful to established players like McDavid and Draisaitl.

 

[coooldude]

More so meaningless because they are essentially depth players, no one is going to remember them on a cup winning team.

Name on a cup which doesn’t pay the bills, earn millions above your expected salary that sets you up for life.

Winning a cup is far more meaningful to established players like McDavid and Draisaitl.

This is a scalding hot take.

 

[Rubi]

As an Oiler fan, seeing all this go down is just thoroughly disappointing. Once more, Oilers management has every opportunity to succeed but end up cucking themselves. Their young players didn't ask for much really. To low ball them and not sign them when they should is just so disappointing. Mismanaging youth seems like Oilers bread and butter

I have to agree with you. The $1.8m that Broberg wanted and the $1.2m that Holloway wanted was completely reasonable. The Oilers f***ed themselves. If I was an Oilers fan I'd be royally pissed.

 

[McClelland]

How are these offer sheets not bad news for the Oilers? Will be interesting to see how Bowman works around this.

It's a very strategic move by Armstrong to attempt to pluck two young assets from a CAP strapped team.

This victim complex that this is only news because 'Oilers' is an interesting deflection from what's really happening here. Basically if these offer sheets are not news in your hockey world in August, you're a casual fan - but we are on hf boards. It's more shocking to see Oiler fans believe this is a non-story.

Doesnt say its a non story, it is!

Just saying it attracts Flame/Nucks fans and some other haters. Nothing new on the western front.

Perhaps Tuesday , there something to discuss.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I have to agree with you. The $1.8m that Broberg wanted and the $1.2m that Holloway wanted was completely reasonable. The Oilers f***ed themselves. If I was an Oilers fan I'd be royally pissed.

I'd be pissed if this wasn't the standard set by decades of ineptitude. The bar for competent management is so low.

People often say that management knows better than the average fan but in the Oilers' case I don't think that's true at all.

 

[McBooya42]

How are these offer sheets not bad news for the Oilers? Will be interesting to see how Bowman works around this.

It's a very strategic move by Armstrong to attempt to pluck two young assets from a CAP strapped team.

This victim complex that this is only news because 'Oilers' is an interesting deflection from what's really happening here. Basically if these offer sheets are not news in your hockey world in August, you're a casual fan - but we are on hf boards. It's more shocking to see Oiler fans believe this is a non-story.

117 pages of discussion (2923 posts) on HF Oil and still going. Non-story?