Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[Three On Zero]

No, it's literally because they signed Arvidsson and Skinner.

Arvidsson makes sense, Skinner and Perry not so much

 

[McShogun99]

I think the Oilers will let both go. They can't afford to lose Ceci and/or Kulak on defence in order to gain the necessary cap room to keep Broberg and/or Holloway. Besides, their Cup chance is now or next year. Losing dmen Ceci and Kulak will only hurt that chance. Losing Broberg and Holloway won't. They can also use that 2nd and 3rd draft pick. Their current prospect cupboard is one of the worst in the league.

Edmontons drafting is horrible. A 2nd and a 3rd to Oiler scouts is like a 7th to most other teams. Our 2nd round picks over the years have featured all stars such as McLeod, Lavoie, Benson, Musil, Pitlick, Moroz etc.

Since 2006 we’ve only had two 2nd rounds pick turn into full time NHL players. McLeod and Petry.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Edmontons drafting is horrible. A 2nd and a 3rd to Oiler scouts is like a 7th to most other teams. Our 2nd round picks over the years have featured all stars such as McLeod, Lavoie, Benson, Musil, Pitlick, Moroz etc.

Since 2006 we’ve only had two 2nd rounds pick turn into full time NHL players. McLeod and Petry.

With where the Oilers are, the 2nd and 3rd are more for deadline pick ups than actual draft picks. Who benefits the Oilers more in the playoffs, Broberg and Holloway, or players that they can acquire at the deadline. I think that's a tough question for Edmonton's management right now.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Those draft picks are trash 2nd and 3rd wont do squat. Edmonton will figure this out.

If I'm correctly understanding your point, it won't do squat in Edmonton's cupboard because they suck at drafting.

In the Blues cupboard? Kyrou, Edmundson, Carrier, Barbashev, Dunn (all 2nds), Parayko, Binnington, Walman (all 3rds). All of them, except Kyrou, are Cup winners.

 

[BleedBlue14]

The Kane NMC turns into a partial no trade on February 28th, 2025, which is likely around the time he's returning post surgery. That said, who knows about the timeline? He may 'miss' the regular season.

The bigger bullet would be losing both of these guys with no feasible replacement because you wanted a veteran bottom pairing for two seasons.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers are paying the price for not making some of these decisions earlier. Moving on from Kulak to give Broberg the rope could've happened last summer. Odds are he would've been a happy camper if he'd had the opportunity to establish himself as a trusted player and potentially earn a deserved raise.

I mean the goal right now ultimately is to win right? I’d imagine having Kulak and Ceci helps the Oilers accomplish that much more than having Broberg and Holloway. You can keep cycling out mid 6/ 4-7 d men. But weakening their roster because they’re scared to lose those two players only pushes the clock back another season.

I completely agree they should’ve given Broberg time over Kulak last year. Or at least tried to make accommodations to do so. In doing so, this discussion wouldn’t have even taken place. But now, they’ve tried to nickel and dime two young guys, and another team has come in and reallly taken away the benefit of having young guys by offering large QOs.

The question with Kane is, what team that has cap would he actually waive for and would actually want him. We really aren’t too far removed from the oilers signing him to almost a min prove it deal that nobody else would and then for some reason instantly handing him a NMC which made absolutely 0 sense.

Even if I believe Kane is a productive player. I still believe his value especially with remaining years at a decently large cap hit is something virtually no team would want to take on without a significant addition added. Now factor in he can nix trades to teams with cap space and it’s a real doozy to find a suitor.

Ceci, I’d imagine would get a somewhat small return, but would get one, if it weren’t this time of year, and the Oil had any sort of leverage, which they have 0.

Kulak, I think you’d have to attach a 2nd to him unless you wait to the deadline. I can’t imagine he’s any more desirable than Walman was, and that was before teams made all of their moves, and Detroit wasn’t necessarily desperate.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I mean the goal right now ultimately is to win right? I’d imagine having Kulak and Ceci helps the Oilers accomplish that much more than having Broberg and Holloway. You can keep cycling out mid 6/ 4-7 d men. But weakening their roster because they’re scared to lose those two players only pushes the clock back another season.

I completely agree they should’ve given Broberg time over Kulak last year. Or at least tried to make accommodations to do so. In doing so, this discussion wouldn’t have even taken place. But now, they’ve tried to nickel and dime two young guys, and another team has come in and reallly taken away the benefit of having young guys by offering large QOs.

The question with Kane is, what team that has cap would he actually waive for and would actually want him. We really aren’t too far removed from the oilers signing him to almost a min prove it deal that nobody else would and then for some reason instantly handing him a NMC which made absolutely 0 sense.

Even if I believe Kane is a productive player. I still believe his value especially with remaining years at a decently large cap hit is something virtually no team would want to take on without a significant addition added. Now factor in he can nix trades to teams with cap space and it’s a real doozy to find a suitor.

Ceci, I’d imagine would get a somewhat small return, but would get one, if it weren’t this time of year, and the Oil had any sort of leverage, which they have 0.

Kulak, I think you’d have to attach a 2nd to him unless you wait to the deadline. I can’t imagine he’s any more desirable than Walman was, and that was before teams made all of their moves, and Detroit wasn’t necessarily desperate.

All of this talk of attaching picks to players like Ceci and Kulak, just to keep Bro and Holly is alarming. If all they have to attach is a 2026 2nd and 2025 & 26 3rds, then they are going to need to add for a team to accept Ceci or Kulak.

It must be tough for Oilers fans to accept that their FO is this inept at managing a roster.

The 4M to Arvidsson (31 y/o) was plenty to extend both Bro and Holly.

The other 3M to J. Skinner (32 y/o) could have been better spent.

Also, we've all been reading since Tuesday how much Oilers fans really don't like either of Broberg or Holloway, so why would they want to keep either?

 

[nerevarine]

All of this talk of attaching picks to players like Ceci and Kulak, just to keep Bro and Holly is alarming. If all they have to attach is a 2026 2nd and 2025 & 26 3rds, then they are going to need to add for a team to accept Ceci or Kulak.

It must be tough for Oilers fans to accept that their FO is this inept at managing a roster.

The 4M to Arvidsson (31 y/o) was plenty to extend both Bro and Holly.

The other 3M to J. Skinner (32 y/o) could have been better spent.

Also, we've all been reading since Tuesday how much Oilers fans really don't like either of Broberg or Holloway, so why would they want to keep either?

Skinner at 3m is one of the top 3 signings this ufa season

Broberg at 4.5 is one of the bottom 3

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Skinner at 3m is one of the top 3 signings this ufa season

Broberg at 4.5 is one of the bottom 3

Edmonton can't even keep its own players.

I actually like both signings, but not at the expense of two young, cost-controlled players.

I'm having a really difficult time understanding some Oilers fans perspectives. They are not based in reality.

 

[byrath]

Losing Ceci would only hurt the teams they play against.

Ceci is a fine #4D, and fairly paid. He got a bad rep after a shitty Sens team deployed him as a top-pair shutdown guy for 2-3 years

The Kane NMC turns into a partial no trade on February 28th, 2025, which is likely around the time he's returning post surgery. That said, who knows about the timeline? He may 'miss' the regular season.

Are you sure about that? I've never heard of a players trade restrictions changing mid season

 

[Garbageyuk]

No, it's literally because they signed Arvidsson and Skinner.

Cope. If Nurse either played up to his contract, or was paid appropriately for what he is, the Oilers would’ve won the Cup. And they either wouldn’t be at all worried about losing a player like Broberg, or they’d have the cap space to match both comfortably if they wanted to, with maybe a little tweaking. That boat anchor is the cause of all their current problems.

 

[MessierII]

Cope. If Nurse either played up to his contract, or was paid appropriately for what he is, the Oilers would’ve won the Cup. And they either wouldn’t be at all worried about losing a player like Broberg, or they’d have the cap space to match both comfortably if they wanted to, with maybe a little tweaking. That boat anchor is the cause of all their current problems.

Losing in game 7 of the finals and coming into next season with a better team is some pretty good problems to have relative to the rest of the league.

At the end of the day these two players are very inconsequential to the oilers success or failures. Neither of these guys having a major impact next season. There is no scenario where it’s smart for an nhl franchise to spend 7 million on Broberg and Holloway. Their value is their low cap hit. Without that they don’t have value on a cup contender.

 

[McDoused]

I didn't realize Broberg and Holloway had so many fans outside of Edmonton? I must have missed that part.

Neither guy has even proven that they can play a full season in the NHL, let alone be overpaid to do so. 5 months ago they were both in the AHL.

Sure the potential is there but at this point the Oilers can't afford that kind of risk.

 

[Rubi]

Skinner at 3m is one of the top 3 signings this ufa season

Broberg at 4.5 is one of the bottom 3

The $3m reflects Skinners worth. Some might even say its an overpayment. I doubt too many will say its a steal and hardly a top 3 UFA signing.

 

[MessierII]

The $3m reflects Skinners worth. Some might even say its an overpayment. I doubt too many will say its a steal and hardly a top 3 UFA signing.

A guy with over 80 points just a season ago and has scored 40 and 30+ 6 times is not a steal at 3 mil?

 

[BlueSeal]

Oilers management is feared only by its own fanbase.

 

[NeverForget06]

Okay I’ll concede to your point, the Skinner/Arviddson contracts are great value and very hard to pass up on when looking at the available defensemen, but they had to do something…

Broberg was a fantasy of an option to be a capable defensemen, it was a hope and prayer that he would slide into the top four and carry around Nurse.

Even that didn’t work out…

It's been an ongoing issue with this team for the past 3 seasons... every deadline and offseason the fanbase hopes and prays they aren't coming back with Nurse-Ceci but that pair will not die.

This year Broberg seemed like maybe he was the solution, even though he's basically still magic beans at this point. Now it's looking like we won't even have that

 

[Xerloris]

Those draft picks are trash 2nd and 3rd wont do squat. Edmonton will figure this out.

A competent management group can do amazing things with a 2nd and a 3rd. For example, offer sheeting 2 young rfa players that could better the team.

MacKinnon was 15% of the cap in his first year
Matthews is 15% of the cap in his first year
McDavid was 16% of the cap in his first year
Pettersson is 13% of the cap in his first year.

He's paid well under the others, relative to McDavid in $/Y, Pettersson is only making 10.3M, and only 10.8M relative to MacKinnon.

They're not in the same pay scale. McDavid would be making 14m per year comparatively.

One of those players is not like the others. Petterson has done nothing to deserve that type of cap hit.

Skinner at 3m is one of the top 3 signings this ufa season

Broberg at 4.5 is one of the bottom 3

Sure bud, keep telling yourself that. I sincerely hope the Blues get both guys and eliminate Edmonton in the playoffs. Is it probable? No but anything can happen when Binnington is on his game.

 

[sepHF]

Doesn't 2 years make it easier to swallow? If it were 5 years I'd let him walk but there isn't much risk with 2. The cap cost is bad but we've eaten more dead cap than that on other moves. I don't see the point of losing an 8th overall pick just as he hits his stride. And we are weak on D no less

I guess it depends how you look at it, with just a 2 year deal he would need to be extended sooner, and would have bargaining power to ask for a raise / arbitration. I wouldnt mind a longer term deal because I think he would live up to that number eventually, just probably not in two years

 

[Rowlet]

One of those players is not like the others. Petterson has done nothing to deserve that type of cap hit.

He doesn't have a cap hit like the others, his percentage is the lowest, by several points in every instance. It's disingenuous to compare them when they were signed in different eras, the only way you can compare them is by cap hit percentages, and Pettersson's is far and away the lowest.

 

[Some Other Flame]

A guy with over 80 points just a season ago and has scored 40 and 30+ 6 times is not a steal at 3 mil?

It's a peculiar if not completely unnecessary signing given the Oilers were already a top five offensive team last season and didn't lose anyone of note. A one dimensional soft scoring winger that will most likely wilt and disappear in the playoffs shouldn't have been prioritized over solidifying the defence.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Losing in game 7 of the finals and coming into next season with a better team is some pretty good problems to have relative to the rest of the league.

At the end of the day these two players are very inconsequential to the oilers success or failures. Neither of these guys having a major impact next season. There is no scenario where it’s smart for an nhl franchise to spend 7 million on Broberg and Holloway. Their value is their low cap hit. Without that they don’t have value on a cup contender.

They don’t, especially Broberg at that hit. However he fills a major gap for the Blues in a young NHL defenseman with a pretty good draft pedigree.

After last season I’m not sure the Oilers were too wrong to be hesitant at 1.2 and 1.8m if the reports were correct. However, they really left themselves open for something like this by letting it drag on for so long.

I don’t think this really hurts the oilers in the next 2 years unless they match either player. It may actually help them a bit in the short term. But that’s not what the Blues are taking the risk on. They’re taking the risk that they can become pretty good players and it’s a pretty sweet deal for each of the players in the short term.

 

[BlueSeal]

Losing in game 7 of the finals and coming into next season with a better team is some pretty good problems to have relative to the rest of the league.

At the end of the day these two players are very inconsequential to the oilers success or failures. Neither of these guys having a major impact next season. There is no scenario where it’s smart for an nhl franchise to spend 7 million on Broberg and Holloway. Their value is their low cap hit. Without that they don’t have value on a cup contender.

If you got Doug Armstrong interested, these guys have something going for them. Army finds diamonds in the rough with sorcery and magic boards. He'll occasionally take a risk just for the hell of it, but this one seems very calculated. I'm curious what he sees that others don't.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Petterson's % of cap at the start of his deal is 13.18%. Nylander was 13.07%, Marner was 13.37%. Seems like a reasonable enough to me, not overpaid, and certainly not in the league of horrific deals like Nurse or Huberdeau.

 

[Just Linda]

MacKinnon was 15% of the cap in his first year
Matthews is 15% of the cap in his first year
McDavid was 16% of the cap in his first year
Pettersson is 13% of the cap in his first year.

He's paid well under the others, relative to McDavid in $/Y, Pettersson is only making 10.3M, and only 10.8M relative to MacKinnon.

They're not in the same pay scale. McDavid would be making 14m per year comparatively.

EP isn't 90% of McDavid or MacKinnon though. The gap between them is significant.

 

[Rowlet]

EP isn't 90% of McDavid or MacKinnon though. The gap between them is significant.

But is he 90% of McDavid in 2018, the year he signed his extension, the only year that matters for this comparison?

McDavid got 108 points that season in 82 games, Pettersson got 102 last season in 80, that's 94%. Are there other factors at play? Of course, but Pettersson today is within reach of 90% of McDavid in 2018.

Same goes for MacKinnon in 2022, the year of his extension, MacKinnon scored at a 135% pts% while Pettersson last season scored at a rate of 127% pts%, which is more than 90%.