Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[BleedBlue14]

Ceci has a career Ozone start rate of just 36%. What kind of corsi do you expect for a guy that gets such a heavy D deployment?

Does context not matter a bit to you?

But by all means, give nurse and Broberg 36% ozone starts and see what happens.

Ceci and his 36% ozone start rate won’t be as easy to replace as Oiler fans think.

Given the tireless argument many of us have made in regards to Parayko on a team that is a mess, I hope this very legitimate argument works out for you, even though it won’t.

I’d agree, Ceci is a much bigger part of Edmontons defense than shows from the eye test. The players that are consistently caved in because no other pairing can be hardly get any love.

Small edit: eye test and advanced stats - which are always awful for defenseman deployed with heavy defensive usage.

 

[Beauterham]

The Blues should offer another pick to have Edm not match either. Maybe a 2026 2nd.

You mean the 2026 2nd we just traded to Pit for our own 2025 2nd to offersheet Broberg?

I wouldnt add any pick though. If we get one of them: fine. If we get none: so be it. If Edm really wants us to add something they can have their choice of Perunovich, Tucker or Alexandrov. Hell, let them have all three, I don't care.

 

[Reality Czech]

You mean the 2026 2nd we just traded to Pit for our own 2025 2nd to offersheet Broberg?

I wouldnt add any pick though. If we get one of them: fine. If we get none: so be it. If Edm really wants us to add something they can have their choice of Perunovich, Tucker or Alexandrov. Hell, let them have all three, I don't care.

I was going to say the same thing. Actually I was gonna give them their pick of 2 out of the 3 but if they want all 3 then that's ok with me.

 

[sepHF]

Ceci has a career Ozone start rate of just 36%. What kind of corsi do you expect for a guy that gets such a heavy D deployment?

Does context not matter a bit to you?

But by all means, give nurse and Broberg 36% ozone starts and see what happens.

Ceci and his 36% ozone start rate won’t be as easy to replace as Oiler fans think.

Another thing to take into account with Oilers dmen shot share is that Ekholm-Bouchard are basically stapled to McDavids line at evens. So not only does he get a ton of dzone starts but its almost exclusively with the plumbers on the team

He definitely has his warts but I think the hate of HF for this player is way overblown. His teammates stick up for him too when he takes criticism

 

[theVladiator]

Can somebody layout the argument for the Oilers matching Broberg (and not matching the other guy)? Seems obvious that they will walk away from Broberg. But trying to understand the argument for matching Broberg. What does that look like?

The reason for matching Broberg is the future, he has pretty high potential. He stepped onto the biggest stage, and looked good at 22, and the chances are pretty high that he ends up a better defenseman than Ceci or Kulak. The problem is that the chances that it will happen this season perhaps aren't that high, yet the Oilers would have to count on him to be that guy already in order to decimate their D to keep him.

 

[Mr Positive]

The reason for matching Broberg is the future, he has pretty high potential. He stepped onto the biggest stage, and looked good at 22, and the chances are pretty high that he ends up a better defenseman than Ceci or Kulak. The problem is that the chances that it will happen this season perhaps aren't that high, yet the Oilers would have to count on him to be that guy already in order to decimate their D to keep him.

I don't see us decimating our D to get him. Why is trading someone to keep Broberg decimating the D but losing Broberg for nothing preserving it?

I disagree that Broberg wouldn't be as good as a Ceci/ Kulak type. His core skills are much better. He just needs time to work it out. We made that choice before when we ditched Barrie to give a spot to Bouchard and it didn't take long for Bouchard to surpass Barrie. But it wasn't day 1.

It's not like he'd have to carry the D. He's still behind Nurse, Ekholm and Bouchard

 

[TS Quint]

Ceci has a career Ozone start rate of just 36%. What kind of corsi do you expect for a guy that gets such a heavy D deployment?

Does context not matter a bit to you?

But by all means, give nurse and Broberg 36% ozone starts and see what happens.

Ceci and his 36% ozone start rate won’t be as easy to replace as Oiler fans think.

The context is he was asked to do something and he was bad at it. That in no way makes him good. Someone else doing the job badly also doesn't make him good. The guy has been in the league for a decade. We know what he is by now.

 

[Funk21]

So it was reported that holloway will stay and broberg is gone. Per friedman


Yes they should have


Kyrou was a second, neigbors was a late round pick and was projected at 2nd round. So many good picks come in 2md round.

Again pointing out 2/3 players in the 30-32 players select each year over the pas 5 years is not exactly awe inspiring. All you’re doing is reinforcing my point.

Look we have Knies on the TML and he looks to take a major jump this year but for every Knies there are countless second rounders like Korskov who amounted to nothing. He was 31st overall and picked ahead of Carlo, Aho….just saying!

 

[Stelmacki]

The Blues should offer another pick to have Edm not match either. Maybe a 2026 2nd.

As a Blues fan, pass.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Kevin Hayes had a 7.1 million dollar caphit for a other 2 years. How do you figure Ceci is the same price?

Blues retained 50%

 

[Oilslick941611]

I don't see us decimating our D to get him. Why is trading someone to keep Broberg decimating the D but losing Broberg for nothing preserving it?

I disagree that Broberg wouldn't be as good as a Ceci/ Kulak type. His core skills are much better. He just needs time to work it out. We made that choice before when we ditched Barrie to give a spot to Bouchard and it didn't take long for Bouchard to surpass Barrie. But it wasn't day 1.

It's not like he'd have to carry the D. He's still behind Nurse, Ekholm and Bouchard

but trading Ceci or Kulak to keep Broberg at 4.5 ( who hasn't guaranteed a spot on the team) still leaves you with needing to find a replacement for Ceci or Kulak, it makes no sense to keep Broberg if you have to trade a roster player, which you have to keep it under the cap.

 

[theVladiator]

I don't see us decimating our D to get him. Why is trading someone to keep Broberg decimating the D but losing Broberg for nothing preserving it?

I disagree that Broberg wouldn't be as good as a Ceci/ Kulak type. His core skills are much better. He just needs time to work it out. We made that choice before when we ditched Barrie to give a spot to Bouchard and it didn't take long for Bouchard to surpass Barrie. But it wasn't day 1.

It's not like he'd have to carry the D. He's still behind Nurse, Ekholm and Bouchard

I am not sure we actually disagree on much, except maybe some details on the bolded sentence. I think that, simply put, it's not a 100% guarantee that he needs less than one season to figure it out. So, for the coming season, you are removing your #4 and #5, and pushing your #6-#8 into #4-#6 roles. Basically, you do not have a full confidence that you would have some semblance of reliable top-4, which I think is a must for a cup contender.

On Bouchard, the Oilers did not "ditch" Barrie. They traded Barrie *after* Bouchard played 160 NHL games and has proven he can replace Barrie at least on offense. Also, they did not just get rid of Barrie, they replaced him with Ekholm.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I just think its fitting that Armstrong strong-armed the Oilers.

 

[Three On Zero]

I just think its fitting that Armstrong strong-armed the Oilers.

Armstrong wanted these players before, so it’s fitting he tries to get them by force.

 

[belair]

After hearing the Hart Levine and Brian Lawton segments, I'm really starting to lean toward matching Broberg and taking the 3rd for Holloway.

There are guys still out there you can PTO at forward and Lavoie is going to be pushing for a role. There's nothing out there to replace Broberg today or in the future.

There's the issue regarding the relationship between the player and the team, but he's poised to see a lot more responsibility in the next couple seasons. And there are a lot of ways the team can maneuver a year from now after the Oilers make another run.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

After hearing the Hart Levine and Brian Lawton segments, I'm really starting to lean toward matching Broberg and taking the 3rd for Holloway.

There are guys still out there you can PTO at forward and Lavoie is going to be pushing for a role. There's nothing out there to replace Broberg today or in the future.

There's the issue regarding the relationship between the player and the team, but he's poised to see a lot more responsibility in the next couple seasons. And there are a lot of ways the team can maneuver a year from now after the Oilers make another run.

It comes down to whether you believe Broberg is the real deal or not. Oiler fans went from believing he was before the offersheet to pulling a 180 and labeling him a bottom pairing dman who barely is an NHLer.

I guess it depends on what camp you are in.

 

[Garbageyuk]

This is all due to how shackled the Oilers are by the Nurse contract. Literally the worst signing in NHL history.

 

[Three On Zero]

I really doubt it. McDavid is not an infant.

You may have missed it but Edmontons management is already bringing in people with ties to McDavid. He’s Edmonton golden ticket, if he thinks the team can be competitive with Nurse. They won’t trade Nurse. He should be the odd man out given the cap circumstances but he won’t be

 

[Junohockeyfan]

You may have missed it but Edmontons management is already bringing in people with ties to McDavid. He’s Edmonton golden ticket, if he thinks the team can be competitive with Nurse. They won’t trade Nurse. He should be the odd man out given the cap circumstances but he won’t be

Nurse should be the odd man out but he's immoveable. Not because McDavid would have a tantrum. Its because no one would take Nurse and his nuclear waste of a contract.

 

[Three On Zero]

Nurse should be the odd man out but he's immoveable. Not because McDavid would have a tantrum. Its because no one would take Nurse and his nuclear waste of a contract.

Every contract is moveable, for the right price. The issue is if you retain him down to his value, his replacement comes in at essentially the same cost

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Every contract is moveable, for the right price.

How many 1st are the Oilers coughing up to move Nurse? The only choice is buying him out. And his contract is buyout proof.

 

[beardo]

The draft picks they used on both players is sunk, it shouldn’t have any impact on this decision. It’s just evaluating the value of each player on their new contracts against the compensation and the moves that would be required to be cap compliant.

Yes clearly. However you recoupe a 2nd and a 3rd for two firsts is poor asset management. There should have never been an opportunity for the blues to do this. You should protect your investment and get these deals done prior to signing luxury players like skinner and ardvison. No shit it’s sunk cost. Giving them away or being put in a choke hold to keep them doesn’t excuse that. You are bleeding picks and or prospects. Does not negate my point whatsoever.

 

[Three On Zero]

How many 1st are the Oilers coughing up to move Nurse? The only choice is buying him out. And his contract is buyout proof.

Would come down to retention and McDavid signing off on it. There is a reason management has been insulating him with familiar faces.

 

[nerevarine]

You simply cannot buyout nurse, it makes no sense. Similar to other horrendous contracts (huberdeau, peterrsson) you just hope they play better and one day become worth it.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

You simply cannot buyout nurse, it makes no sense. Similar to other horrendous contracts (huberdeau, peterrsson) you just hope they play better and one day become worth it.

Pettersson, as in EP?