Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[WetcoastOrca]

Pettersson, as in EP?

I love how he slipped him in with Nurse and Huberdeau thinking no one would notice.

 

[Three On Zero]

Pettersson, as in EP?

Marcus Pettersson of course

 

[Just Linda]

You simply cannot buyout nurse, it makes no sense. Similar to other horrendous contracts (huberdeau, peterrsson) you just hope they play better and one day become worth it.

EP is overpaid but he's not at Nurse level of overpaid. He's at least tradable.

 

[Xerloris]

Blues retained 50%

No the Blues did not. The Flyers retained 50% when they traded him to St.Louis and the Blues retained nothing when trading him to The Pens.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Marcus Pettersson of course

That would be even funnier, since Marcus Pettersson is an example of a player who was overpaid at first but grew into his contract and is now very much worth it.

 

[bleedblue1223]

How is EP overpaid?

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I love how he slipped him in with Nurse and Huberdeau thinking no one would notice.

Not surprised he did based on previous posts but I was still not sure based on the fact EP hasn't even started his contract and has averaged almost a 100 points the last two seasons.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

EP is overpaid but he's not at Nurse level of overpaid. He's at least tradable.

How is a guy who has averaged almost a 100 points the last two years, is a centre and great defensively overpaid?
Nevermind the fact that the contract hasn't started yet, he's just entering his prime and finally has a winger.

 

[Just Linda]

How is a guy who has averaged almost a 100 points the last two years, is a centre and great defensively overpaid?
Nevermind the fact that the contract hasn't started yet, he's just entering his prime and finally has a winger.

Getting paid like McDavid, Matthews, and MacKinnon. He is in fact not a McDavid, Matthews, or MacKinnon.

At 10 million, he'd be fine. At 10.5, he'd be fair value. At 11.6, overpaid.

 

[Seanaconda]

but trading Ceci or Kulak to keep Broberg at 4.5 ( who hasn't guaranteed a spot on the team) still leaves you with needing to find a replacement for Ceci or Kulak, it makes no sense to keep Broberg if you have to trade a roster player, which you have to keep it under the cap.

Trade ceci cuz he gets paired with nurse and that pairing sucks

 

[Raistlin]

Getting paid like McDavid, Matthews, and MacKinnon. He is in fact not a McDavid, Matthews, or MacKinnon.

At 10 million, he'd be fine. At 10.5, he'd be fair value. At 11.6, overpaid.

He is fair value, look at all the contracts signed after him going forward. A rising cap world will yield higher AAV contracts. But I'd rather overpay a young 100pt 1C who gets Selke votes than any other profile for skaters. You're buying a lot of prime years there.

How did the original guy lump Huberdeau and EP together other than the fact that they play top 6 in a Canadian market??

 

[sepHF]

It comes down to whether you believe Broberg is the real deal or not. Oiler fans went from believing he was before the offersheet to pulling a 180 and labeling him a bottom pairing dman who barely is an NHLer.

I guess it depends on what camp you are in.

I’m an Oilers fan and I like the player. He skates very well, good at defending the rush and can move the puck out of his zone better than most of the dmen on the team, but 4.6 is crazy and it’s only a 2 year deal as well. Tough pill to swallow

 

[Robtom18]

No the Blues did not. The Flyers retained 50% when they traded him to St.Louis and the Blues retained nothing when trading him to The Pens.

You are correct. Its funny how missinformed people are

 

[Mr Positive]

I’m an Oilers fan and I like the player. He skates very well, good at defending the rush and can move the puck out of his zone better than most of the dmen on the team, but 4.6 is crazy and it’s only a 2 year deal as well. Tough pill to swallow

Doesn't 2 years make it easier to swallow? If it were 5 years I'd let him walk but there isn't much risk with 2. The cap cost is bad but we've eaten more dead cap than that on other moves. I don't see the point of losing an 8th overall pick just as he hits his stride. And we are weak on D no less

 

[McJedi]

The context is he was asked to do something and he was bad at it. That in no way makes him good. Someone else doing the job badly also doesn't make him good. The guy has been in the league for a decade. We know what he is by now.

Yeah. So do oiler coaches. Ceci is a guy they play a ton. 20 minutes a game. Those are 2nd pair minutes. Ceci is definitely expected to play 2nd pair for Edmonton going into this season.

Without Ceci. The coaches can give his 20 minutes a game and all those D zone starts to Bouchard and Nurse. Or perhaps Kulak and Joshua Brown. Have fun with that.

 

[BleedBlue14]

After hearing the Hart Levine and Brian Lawton segments, I'm really starting to lean toward matching Broberg and taking the 3rd for Holloway.

There are guys still out there you can PTO at forward and Lavoie is going to be pushing for a role. There's nothing out there to replace Broberg today or in the future.

There's the issue regarding the relationship between the player and the team, but he's poised to see a lot more responsibility in the next couple seasons. And there are a lot of ways the team can maneuver a year from now after the Oilers make another run.

How exactly do you do that and put together a competitive bottom half of the team while re-signing Bouchard and Draisaitl to north of 20m next season. That’s a very conservative estimate without factoring in the draft capital it will take to move Kane when he pretty much gets to pick where he moves to and Kulak who you’re probably going to have to move the 3rd from Holloway for, if not more with free agency passed already and teams already generally having their lineups set for next season.

 

[Rubi]

I think the Oilers will let both go. They can't afford to lose Ceci and/or Kulak on defence in order to gain the necessary cap room to keep Broberg and/or Holloway. Besides, their Cup chance is now or next year. Losing dmen Ceci and Kulak will only hurt that chance. Losing Broberg and Holloway won't. They can also use that 2nd and 3rd draft pick. Their current prospect cupboard is one of the worst in the league.

 

[Just Linda]

I think the Oilers will let both go. They can't afford to lose Ceci and/or Kulak on defence in order to gain the necessary cap room to keep Broberg and/or Holloway. Besides, their Cup chance is now or next year. Losing dmen Ceci and Kulak will only hurt that chance. Losing Broberg and Holloway won't. They can also use that 2nd and 3rd draft pick. Their current prospect cupboard is one of the worst in the league.

Losing Ceci would only hurt the teams they play against.

 

[belair]

How exactly do you do that and put together a competitive bottom half of the team while re-signing Bouchard and Draisaitl to north of 20m next season. That’s a very conservative estimate without factoring in the draft capital it will take to move Kane when he pretty much gets to pick where he moves to and Kulak who you’re probably going to have to move the 3rd from Holloway for, if not more with free agency passed already and teams already generally having their lineups set for next season.

I think you're exaggerating the cost it would take to move healthy, contributing players. Kane, Kulak and Ceci are all players who help any roster in this league. And a team that's in a situation where they have abundant cap space and are rebuilding, it makes sense to add players of that ilk, who have little term remaining. They're a method to gain free draft capital as future rentals.

As for Broberg, his increase in cap is only a $3m inflation of what was expected. Move Kulak and that's offset. It's not preferable, but it's manageable.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I think you're exaggerating the cost it would take to move healthy, contributing players. Kane, Kulak and Ceci are all players who help any roster in this league. And a team that's in a situation where they have abundant cap space and are rebuilding, it makes sense to add players of that ilk, who have little term remaining. They're a method to gain free draft capital as future rentals.

As for Broberg, his increase in cap is only a $3m inflation of what was expected. Move Kulak and that's offset. It's not preferable, but it's manageable.

The issue is Kane holds most of the cards if he were moved which he pretty much has to be.

We just saw Walman take a 3rd to move, Kane take something similar. The issue is the Oilers have to be cap compliant by the start of the season, not many teams are going to be in the market of buying until they figure out what they have. Ceci I could see being moved prior, but I think for the entirety of his contract he is much more important to the Oilers than Broberg. Kulak has another year, and they would be pigeon-holed to absolutely have to move him. Walman cost a 3rd to move, similar depth players paid that type of money have cost to be moved. That being said UFA is done. But who’s going to outwardly help a team who’s signed a boat load of UFAs by taking the guy they didn’t want?

I still have no idea why the Oilers have Kane as much trade protection as they did following a borderline minimum contract because nobody else would give him one. But I can’t imagine the Oilers moving out any of these guys would be more beneficial than biting the bullet on the risk of Broberg/Holloway at the inflated contracts.

 

[The don godfather]

I think the Oilers will let both go. They can't afford to lose Ceci and/or Kulak on defence in order to gain the necessary cap room to keep Broberg and/or Holloway. Besides, their Cup chance is now or next year. Losing dmen Ceci and Kulak will only hurt that chance. Losing Broberg and Holloway won't. They can also use that 2nd and 3rd draft pick. Their current prospect cupboard is one of the worst in the league.

Those draft picks are trash 2nd and 3rd wont do squat. Edmonton will figure this out.

 

[belair]

The issue is Kane holds most of the cards if he were moved which he pretty much has to be.

We just saw Walman take a 3rd to move, Kane take something similar. The issue is the Oilers have to be cap compliant by the start of the season, not many teams are going to be in the market of buying until they figure out what they have. Ceci I could see being moved prior, but I think for the entirety of his contract he is much more important to the Oilers than Broberg. Kulak has another year, and they would be pigeon-holed to absolutely have to move him. Walman cost a 3rd to move, similar depth players paid that type of money have cost to be moved. That being said UFA is done. But who’s going to outwardly help a team who’s signed a boat load of UFAs by taking the guy they didn’t want?

I still have no idea why the Oilers have Kane as much trade protection as they did following a borderline minimum contract because nobody else would give him one. But I can’t imagine the Oilers moving out any of these guys would be more beneficial than biting the bullet on the risk of Broberg/Holloway at the inflated contracts.

The Kane NMC turns into a partial no trade on February 28th, 2025, which is likely around the time he's returning post surgery. That said, who knows about the timeline? He may 'miss' the regular season.

The bigger bullet would be losing both of these guys with no feasible replacement because you wanted a veteran bottom pairing for two seasons.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers are paying the price for not making some of these decisions earlier. Moving on from Kulak to give Broberg the rope could've happened last summer. Odds are he would've been a happy camper if he'd had the opportunity to establish himself as a trusted player and potentially earn a deserved raise.

 

[Three On Zero]

League executives told Postmedia on Thursday that the Oilers were trying to get the contracts of defencemen Cody Ceci ($3.25 million) and Brent Kulak ($2.75) million off the books so they could match the offer sheets, and we’re told there are teams that have shown interest.
But, if teams are going to make those deals, they’re going to want something extra from the Oilers to take on Ceci or Kulak’s contracts. We’re told that could be a first- or second-round pick in both scenarios because teams know they’ve got Jackson cornered.
The price only goes up at this time of year because many teams have already settled their rosters and nobody will do the Oilers any favours without them ponying up another asset.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

This is all due to how shackled the Oilers are by the Nurse contract. Literally the worst signing in NHL history.

No, it's literally because they signed Arvidsson and Skinner.

 

[Rowlet]

Getting paid like McDavid, Matthews, and MacKinnon. He is in fact not a McDavid, Matthews, or MacKinnon.

At 10 million, he'd be fine. At 10.5, he'd be fair value. At 11.6, overpaid.

MacKinnon was 15% of the cap in his first year
Matthews is 15% of the cap in his first year
McDavid was 16% of the cap in his first year
Pettersson is 13% of the cap in his first year.

He's paid well under the others, relative to McDavid in $/Y, Pettersson is only making 10.3M, and only 10.8M relative to MacKinnon.

They're not in the same pay scale. McDavid would be making 14m per year comparatively.