Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[LTIR]

If they're pissed off at Holloway for that, I wonder what they think of Nurse...

Nurse didn't sign with another team forcing Oilers to match.
Nurse was also the top Dman on the team at that time and not a fringe NHLer.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

It’s actually wild 2 see 2 players sign an offersheet for the same team.

As an Oiler fan it is unfortunate. Broberg showed some potential but no way he is worth that to the team right now. Holloway is one that will be interesting

SJ did it to the Hawks back in the day with Hjalmarsson then Niemi, but those were "back to back" rather than simultaneously like this one.

 

[Fatass]

How? The compensation for Kotkaniemi was 1st and 3rd round picks.

The compensation to the Oilers is a 2nd rounder for Broberg and a 3rd for Holloway. There is quite a huge delta between what the Habs got and what the Oilers would fetch to lose these guys.

This is not an apples to apples comparison you've made.

A late first is pretty close in value to a mid second and third. Compensation is close.

 

[LOFIN]

Hmmm, reminds me of the Kotkaniemi situation. Not playing up to draft status at all, has a good playoff and signed to a high offer sheet.

What could go wrong .....

Nothing went wrong with the Kotkaniemi offer sheet. It worked out. The problem was the extension they signed him to.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Oh man. Blues gonna regret these. Bye bye. Not worth it

Blues have capspace to burn and are most likely not planning to be contenders in the next two years unless the players vastly outplay expectations. Then have multiple players expiring or NTCs dropping to MNTC in the coming years as well. I don't forsee them regretting anything. If it doesn't work it doesn't work.

 

[KCC]

W Blues

W smarts for sure. Lol

 

[Fatass]

Nurse didn't sign with another team forcing Oilers to match.
Nurse was also the top Dman on the team at that time and not a fringe NHLer.

Nurse got a huge contract free though. A lot more than he was worth. The Oilers were better on him improving. Broberg just showed big time in the playoffs that he’s a player.

 

[On The Prowl]

If they're pissed off at Holloway for that, I wonder what they think of Nurse...

Nurse was in the organization a lot longer than Holloway and Broberg have been when these contracts were signed, and was a leader not a rookie which makes a big difference in these situations.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Even if it was another Canadian team, making 4.8 isn't hard to live up to with his skill set. Nurse's contract is one of the worst in nhl history.

so the Oilers better keep him then eh? man, has the narrative ever changed on Broberg...great pick Kenny!

 

[LemonSauceD]

How long do they have to match the offer? 1 week?

 

[Drew Doubty]

Even signing Holloway is going to put them in a bind. I don't see how they get cap compliant with a fully healthy roster. Sure Kane is on LTIR, but what about after that?

 

[Mobiandi]

Its a selfish move by two rookies, i personally don't even want them back now.

It's mid August and they're unsigned. They need to take the best offer.

Edmonton probably wasn't even Broberg offering a third of what St Louis was. He would be foolish to turn down a 4 year deal

 

[bernmeister]

Don't remember exactly but coupla months ago, w/Oil board at this forum concerned about cap crunch, mindful these 2 are now rfa, no longer elc level cost control, waiver status becoming an issue, I suggested something like:

Sykora - mod 2nd rounder F progressing nicely elc
and
Lindgren (then rfa rights, now 4.5 x 1, rfa expiring, full ufa)
+ 2 future NYR 2nds

for

Holloway + broberg + 2 EDM 3rds

Would extend same offer
Lindy retained 50% max to 2.5

============
Oil gets useful F prospect competes next training camp, is cheaper, fits EDM timeline, PLUS a useful stopgap LD
plus dif on picks exchange

Rs get possible natural righty RW to bookend w/Kreider w/w'o Zib
get younger upgrade to LD

can look at Vesey out for cap relief

 

[Drew Doubty]

Its a selfish move by two rookies, i personally don't even want them back now.

I hate this narrative. You're telling me that 2 players who have not made really anything yet should turn down life-changing amounts of money because of loyalty to the Oilers?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nurse was in the organization a lot longer than Holloway and Broberg have been when these contracts were signed, and was a leader not a rookie which makes a big difference in these situations.

Why shouldn't a rookie be allowed to earn the market rate for his services? Just because they are younger players doesn't mean they should have to forfeit 1M+ dollars just so guys like Nurse can make twice what he's worth.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I don't blame the players. If a team wants to overpay unproven players there is not much you can do about it. I don't blame the Oilers either though because neither has done anything to deserve more then about 1.3-1.5 million tops thus far. If it was another team and the Oilers had the cap space and could take a risk on some upside, I would hope they would do the same.

 

[bernmeister]

Even signing Holloway is going to put them in a bind. I don't see how they get cap compliant with a fully healthy roster. Sure Kane is on LTIR, but what about after that?

I think they have to honor the offer sheets first, but can immediately flip them plus lesser picks for prospects + better picks

 

[Zirakzigil]

How long do they have to match the offer? 1 week?

Yes and they can only be 10% over the cap in the summer, not sure about the exact numbers, but they are already over with Kane. This will complicate things even more. Im not sure if they even have the room to match right now.

 

[McJedi]

I think I keep Holloway

Broberg is expensive and it sucks it is only a 2nd but that is a tough pill to swallow.

Well played by the Blues.

They may keep Holloway at that AAV, but he'll have done some damage to himself within the organization for signing a deal at the very highest end of a meager 3rd round pick return.

That could bother both his teammates and I'm certain it irks the owner and GM. Right or wrong, it will be perceived as a hostile move by the player.

And Broberg might as well fly to St Louis today. Oilers can't and shouldn't match that.

But a 2nd round pick around 50th overall isn't much of a return for him given how he was likely to be deployed in a 4th-5th D role this season.

 

[sepHF]

real fkn greasy by Armstrong

Theres no chance we can keep Broberg, that is just way waaay too much money

I dont blame him for signing that deal, thats life changing money for him

 

[Drew Doubty]

I don't blame the players. If a team wants to overpay unproven players there is not much you can do about it. I don't blame the Oilers either though because neither has done anything to deserve more then about 1.3-1.5 million tops thus far. If it was another team and the Oilers were in the same situation, I would hope they would do the same.

What the Oilers did was sign both Skinner and Arvidsson. Sure, it looks great on paper, but the Oilers forward group was already top notch and now they have moved out 2 young players who may have been able to extend their window.

 

[bernmeister]

Worth more in trade than a mid second and mid third though.

Market, including who has cap space, etc., will shape yr best offer.

Check out my post w/Rs offer....

til tom peeps

 

[Jumptheshark]

AS an Oiler fan I will toss out a conspiracy out there

1) This is the NHL old boys club doing it due to how the OIlers handled the HOlland situation
2) Bowman signing

 

[PocketNines]

Are blues fans that excited about these players? Besides the fact that it hurts the oilers.

This hurts Edmonton more than it helps St Louis.

Here's where we likely are with it. We know and accept that our fate is to suck for a few years before hopefully a strong 2023 draft class leads them back into contention. Everything seems on track for this plan except we don't know if we have the right D in our system. Jiricek and Lindstein and Kessel need to overachieve and/or we need to get lucky. Sound familiar?

So ordinarily what would worry me here is Armstrong has a tendency to throw good money after bad once he makes a bold move (for example obviously obviously obviously you expose Krug to Seattle instead of Dunn but he was committed), and so he wouldn't want to let Broberg go in a couple years if it doesn't work out, which it might or might not. However since Steen is taking over as GM at the same time this contract would be up if the Oilers don't match, I don't think we are worried he will feel locked into any Armstrong mistake. As for the player himself he has been put into plenty of offers toward us over the years and we have not been excited. However, we are open to new info when it arrives and he did play solidly in the Final, which suggests he may have now another level to his confidence, and in a young player that might make all the difference in his trajectory. On Broberg we are probably hoping they don't match so we can experiment. We are definitely most excited to not spend any time this season having to watch a slow little waterskiing squirt who can't hit the net from 20 feet on a slapshot play any hockey for us. That is first and foremost. This signing means we are not getting that even if the Oilers do match.

As for Holloway, it feels like the Oilers might match that one, but we are sooooo much more worried about or defense than our offense, we have a lot of strong offense about to emerge from the pipeline next 1-2 years

 

[Jumptheshark]

What the Oilers did was sign both Skinner and Arvidsson. Sure, it looks great on paper, but the Oilers forward group was already top notch and now they have moved out 2 young players who may have been able to extend their window.

Skinner and Arvidsson are 32/31 so it is not like they are dead weight