Blue Jays Discussion: Steve Pearce: comeback machine

[AllDay28]

dont forget Russell Martin being signed by Shapiro.

also apparently a lot of money coming off the books..

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/toronto-blue-jays-salaries-and-contracts.shtml

 

[zeke]

wow, they inherited a alcs-worthy core with 2 whole commitments that lasted past their first year in charge (2017), both to upper tier players at their positions, of whom have been worth every penny of their contracts so far, all the way to the ripe old age of 35.

poor guys. what a tough spot.

 

[Al14]

I swear, a team made up of the walking dead could beat the Jays.

Eat them alive too!

 

[canucksfan]

wow, they inherited a alcs-worthy core with 2 whole commitments that lasted past their first year in charge (2017), both to upper tier players at their positions, of whom have been worth every penny of their contracts so far, all the way to the ripe old age of 35.

poor guys. what a tough spot.

Majority of the main pieces of the team now are ones that AA brought in. Most of them are on the decline.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Thank you AA for leaving us with such a great young hitting core who would lead our team for many years to come. Your great work will not go unnoticed

Jose Bautista 35 years
Edwin Encarnacion 33 years
Russell Martin 33 years
Troy Tulowitzki 31 years old
Josh Donaldson 30 years

 

[dredeye]

and i love how 2yrs later, with half the roster overhauled and $100m of shapkins payroll, this is atill called AA's team.

Shapkins inherited a great team, with next to no longterm committments, and have done nothing but collect low risk bit pieces for 2yrs.

and no, pretty much none of the '"sold farm" would be helping us at the moment, and AA did an amazing job rebuilding a barren farm twice in 5yrs and trading the overrated ones for elite talent..

I beg to differ that none of the sold farm would be helping us at the moment.

Musgrove
Syndergaard
Desclafani
Norris "having an awful season"
Boyd "also having an awful season"
Hoffman at aaa
Marisnick
D'Arnaud
Barretto aaa(although no JD without him)
Etc

I'm sure we could make use of those useless pieces he sold high on. Of all those pieces traded we still have Happ. Although, not from the deal that brought him in

AA did some great things while he was here. But let's not just make **** up to try and prove a point. He traded away a lot of pieces we would gladly take back on our team today

 

[zeke]

Thank you AA for leaving us with such a great young hitting core who would lead our team for many years to come. Your great work will not go unnoticed

Jose Bautista 35 years
Edwin Encarnacion 33 years
Russell Martin 33 years
Troy Tulowitzki 31 years old
Josh Donaldson 30 years

thank you AA for giving us a back to back ALCS core after over 2 decades of nothing, while other teams con their fans with noncontending "youth movements".

 

[canucksfan]

There's two sides of this story. While here AA had his ups and downs. He did sell quite a bit of prospects to make the playoffs which was the right call. However, on the flip side, the team is where it is now largely due to AA.

 

[Eyedea]

And here you are (Zeke), sitting on your throne, wishing, begging, that Shapkins/Shatkins signed David Price, Dexter Fowler, and Edwin Encarnacion.

Because a better sight would be a maybe .500 ball club that is looking to buy.

 

[canucksfan]

Dunedin update

Bo 2 for 5 and a HBP
Vlad1 for 3 with a BB and HBP
Pentecost 0 for 4

 

[canucksfan]

And here you are (Zeke), sitting on your throne, wishing, begging, that Shapkins/Shatkins signed David Price, Dexter Fowler, and Edwin Encarnacion.

Because a better sight would be a maybe .500 ball club that is looking to buy.

Yup and while stuck with an additional three long expensive contracts.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

thank you AA for giving us a back to back ALCS core after over 2 decades of nothing, while other teams con their fans with noncontending "youth movements".

Shapiro's built team has accomplished more than AA's built team ever has

Contending and young?

Who would've thought that could be possible with some patience

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

And here you are (Zeke), sitting on your throne, wishing, begging, that Shapkins/Shatkins signed David Price, Dexter Fowler, and Edwin Encarnacion.

Because a better sight would be a maybe .500 ball club that is looking to buy.

What's funny is that Justin Smoak, the 2016 whipping boy, has outproduced Edwin at a small fraction of his contract and also 3 years younger

 

[canucksfan]

Warmoth hitting .433 with Vancouver. He is 2 for 3 with a triple. Wonder if he gets promoted soon?

 

[The Nemesis]

Warmoth hitting .433 with Vancouver. He is 2 for 3 with a triple. Wonder if he gets promoted soon?

Hopefully not for another couple weeks. earliest tickets I could get were for like August 10th-12th.

 

[zeke]

Shapiro's built team has accomplished more than AA's built team ever has

Contending and young?

Who would've thought that could be possible with some patience

yeah, only took shapiro a quick 15+ yrs to build a decent team in cleveland, even though he inherited an elite team to statt with. and even then, they only actually turned inti a contender when the next gm had the balls to trade some prospects and sign some major FAs.

AA did it in 5yrs. And he inherited a disaster

 

[zeke]

And here you are (Zeke), sitting on your throne, wishing, begging, that Shapkins/Shatkins signed David Price, Dexter Fowler, and Edwin Encarnacion.

Because a better sight would be a maybe .500 ball club that is looking to buy.

we'd be one helluva better team if we had.

and hey, save your "throne" comments for the guys bashing AA for giving us the best jays team maybe ever.

 

[Cor]

AA just traded top prospects for veterans for immediate success. He left us with one of the oldest MLB team, and not a whole lot in terms of prospects. AA gave us a terrific season. And I suspect he knew in July he was leaving so he threw caution to the wind.

AA was largely insignificant.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

yeah, only took shapiro a quick 15+ yrs to build a decent team in cleveland, even though he inherited an elite team to statt with. and even then, they only actually turned inti a contender when the next gm had the balls to trade some prospects and sign some major FAs.

AA did it in 5yrs. And he inherited a disaster

I guess winning 96 and 93 games don't really count

Also, not every GM can be like AA, being given the ok by ownership to inherit $160 million just to blow it away in 1 trade

 

[zeke]

Age of AA's players:

C Martin 34
SS Tulowitzki 32
3B Donaldson 31
OF Carrera 30
RP Tepera 29
RP Loup 29
IF Goins 29
SP Stroman 26
RP Barnes 26
SP Sanchez 24
(OF Smith 24)
RP Osuna 22
(OF Alford 22)

Shapiro adds

RP Grilli 40
RF Bautista 36
DH Morales 34
LF Pearce 34
SP Happ 34
SP Liriano 34
RP Howell 34
SP Estrada 33
RP Smith 33
C Montero 33
(C Salty 32)
(OF Coghlan 32)
IF Barney 31
1B Smoak 30
(RP Beliveau 30)
(SP Latos 29)
(SP Bolsinger 29)
RP Biagini 27
RP Leone 25

 

[canucksfan]

The younger players AA acquired were drafted. The current management group hasn't had the luxury of having their players make it because it's too early. If you wanted them to get younger then trading core pieces was really the only option.

 

[canucksfan]

Hopefully not for another couple weeks. earliest tickets I could get were for like August 10th-12th.

Not sure how aggressive they want to be but he's hitting very well. 3 for 5 tonight. Adams continues to do well too.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Eyedea]

yeah, only took shapiro a quick 15+ yrs to build a decent team in cleveland, even though he inherited an elite team to statt with. and even then, they only actually turned inti a contender when the next gm had the balls to trade some prospects and sign some major FAs.

AA did it in 5yrs. And he inherited a disaster

As Healy said obviously it wasn't 15+ years. His team won 93 games four years in and 96 (with an ALCS appearance) six years in. It's not his fault he had to work with a significantly lower payroll and was forced into rebuilding twice.

we'd be one helluva better team if we had.

and hey, save your "throne" comments for the guys bashing AA for giving us the best jays team maybe ever.

Even if they add (let's say) an extra 5 wins, then the Jays would be 48-47 and not even in a wildcard spot despite adding another ~260m in commitments. This is what spinning the wheels looks like.

And sure, the most historic regular season run, I'll give you that. But that offence wasn't WAMCO.

 

[ToneDog]

Apparently AA left no long term commitments. Yet, we have a 32 year old shortstop who has a sub .300 OBP, on pace to hit about 12 home runs and has seen his overall game declined locked up for another 4 years at 74 million

Such brilliance

Don't forget, Tulo was acquired to replace Reyes, an AA acquisition, and he had to give up Castro and Hoffman for Colorado to do it. Other than Buerhle, the Marlins trade blew up in his face. And when they finally made the playoffs Buerhle was left off the playoff roster.

AA was no boy genius like the media portrayed him.