Blue Jays Discussion: Steve Pearce: comeback machine

[SeaOfBlue]

Somewhat surprised they wouldn't go after guys they know a bit better

What does "lower-level" exactly pertain to? I'm guessing not AAA or AA, but A+ and below, or like around rookie ball only?

Because that way it could be guys they know.

 

[Canada4Gold]

What does "lower-level" exactly pertain to? I'm guessing not AAA or AA, but A+ and below, or like around rookie ball only?

Because that way it could be guys they know.

I would guess low level means A+ or lower, maybe A or lower. It's entirely a relative term but I can't imagine it means none of the full season leagues

 

[Discoverer]

Not confirmed but i can only assume if we are taking Aoki's salary.

They got a good prospect for a mediocre pitcher. They should be taking on a lot of money.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Walshy7]

"Hernandez has plus speed and knows how to use it on the bases, making him a potential 20-20 threat" this sounds good to me, if he was #9 in Houston system what would he be in ours?

 

[Canada4Gold]

ummmm...?

 

[phillipmike]

Wasn't it 4.475 last year, 8.525 mill this year + 5.5 in Aoki? So 13 mill + 5.5 mill contract.

Well I see I should really cut down on the Aoki thing since Houston already paid him some.

14.9 mill. 2.4 mill on Aoki we would owe. I mean 12 mill in value + paying 2.9 mill for 3 pretty good prospects and an OF who could provide a bit of value as a stop gap if we want is not terrible.

Closer to 12M as you have to account for Hutch - he was owed around 3M for part of last season and all of his 2.3M this season.

 

[theaub]

lmao this will end well

 

[Acekicker123]

Almost every single one of the Indians' top prospects is struggling this season.

What that means is that any so-called "top prospects" list is likely in a state of flux and so I wouldn't be surprised if we see some surprising names.

 

[canucksfan]

ummmm...?

Likely younger players so tougher to get on top prospects list.

 

[phillipmike]

They got a good prospect for a mediocre pitcher. They should be taking on a lot of money.

Possibly but i think more teams viewed Liriano as a shut down lefty reliever hence the number of rumored teams and return.

17:1 K:BB vs lefties. Liriano is hard on lefties and most teams knew that.

Seems like the commodity was Liriano the shutdown LOOGY vs the mediocre starter.

Could be a littleof what both of us think.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

They got a good prospect for a mediocre pitcher. They should be taking on a lot of money.

We will find out I guess, but if you really think about they are only paying 2 mill of Liriano's salary at this point.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Closer to 12M as you have to account for Hutch - he was owed around 3M for part of last season and all of his 2.3M this season.

Forgot about his money. Okay makes sense I guess.

 

[rent free]

hopefully this works out for the jays in the future

 

[theaub]

Tom Pannone and Samad Taylor to the Jays

Pannone is 23 and 6-1 with a 2.62 ERA in AA Akron this year.

Taylor is 19 and has a .300/.328/.467 line in Short-A Mahoning Valley.

Sickles had Pannone as a C+ prospect (fringe top 20) at the start of the year, with Taylor as a C prospect.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Almost every single one of the Indians' top prospects is struggling this season.

What that means is that any so-called "top prospects" list is likely in a state of flux and so I wouldn't be surprised if we see some surprising names.

Yeah all of their top prospects are either off limits or nothing super special, so I can see the Jays going for a steal off of the board. I mean they drafted them, they would know better than MLB pipeline probably.

 

[hoc123]

I wonder if this had anything with Joe Smith going to Cleveland

 

[Eyedea]

 

[Morgs]

Samad Taylor looks interesting. 133 wRC+ in the same level as Bo and Vlad were in as a 19 yo middle infielder.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Likely younger players so tougher to get on top prospects list.

The higher upside younger guys have enough upside to usually get on a top 30 list though, especially a list that isn't chalk full of great talent like the Indians.

So basically not one of the better younger guys, and a million years away from the majors, and a low probability of reaching your ceiling to boot.

If a guy isn't a top 30 prospect it doesn't mean they're useless, what it does mean is your not currently worth much.

Look at the Jays list for instance. Yennsy Diaz is #25, lower level guy who has some solid upside, but lets be real he's not worth that much in a trade, we traded a better guy for Feldman last year.

 

[Acekicker123]

Wow those are two very interesting prospects.

Stats-wise definitely more interesting than most of the guys in their top 15...

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Samad Taylor looks interesting. 133 wRC+ in the same level as Bo and Vlad were in as a 19 yo middle infielder.

Pannone's numbers look pretty nice too. He's not big, so maybe that's why he's not ranked highly, but it's tough to find anything wrong with his production that's for sure.

 

[Acekicker123]

Pannone is a 23-year old is a lefty with 8.9 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 2.94 FIP in AA.

What's not to like?

 

[Eyedea]

Longenhagen prospect notes on May 2nd. Pannonne has been promoted to AA since then and has put up some solid numbers. Probably time to reevaluate.

Thomas Pannone, LHP, Cleveland (Profile)
Level: Hi-A Age: 23 Org Rank: NR Top 100: NR
Line: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 8 K

Notes
Pannone was the subject of one of David Laurila's recent interviews and has now allowed just 10 hits and seven walks in 27.2 innings this year while striking out 39. He's throwing a bit harder this year, mostly 88-91, and working his fastball up and curveball down effectively. At 23, it's prudent to be skeptical of performance in Single-A, but if Pannone gets promoted and continues to throw well at Double-A, it will be time to re-evaluate.