#StastnyWatch - Summer of 2014 - Part III : Time to Synchronize Synergies!!!!!!!!!!!

[DRL]

You think we are there yet? I don't think we are in a place where we can risk losing a guy like Stastny for nothing in order to make a run at the cup. It sets our franchise back instead of taking it forward.

Trade Staz for a late 2nd rd pick? Roy doesn't even care about seconds the way he hands them out, why give up at the the time our longest serving player for a late second.

 

[Frenchy]

Can we lock this thread? It makes me sad

we'll keep it open for a few more days . People still have alot of things to say about what happend with Stastny . As long as it stays a hot topic , we'll keep it open.

 

[AvsRobin]

Trade Staz for a late 2nd rd pick? Roy doesn't even care about seconds the way he hands them out, why give up at the the time our longest serving player for a late second.

I haven't said anything about a 2nd round pick.

 

[The Kingslayer]

we'll keep it open for a few more days . People still have alot of things to say about what happend with Stastny . As long as it stays a hot topic , we'll keep it open.

Who is this Stastny you speak of? I dont know that person sorry

 

[Avs71]

EJ, Duchene, and Landeskog are the Avs attending his wedding according to some St. Louis article. No surprises there, given their recent public bromance display on twitter.

 

[Mules]

You mean this article:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_a2a638d3-1242-5229-903b-f14b987c8ecc.html

I find it interesting that he jumped off the ship. Is he seeing something that we didn't?

“St. Louis had a little bit more for me than Colorado as a hockey player,†Stastny said.

“There’s a variety of scary players on this team and whether some are natural centermen, or they’re playing wing, or vice versa, you can move different pieces and I think that’s what makes good teams really special,†he said. “They have the ability to make three or four lines, or they can go top heavy and make two really effective lines.â€

I thought our team outscoring the Bloos by good portion?

I hope we get the Cup before the Blues.

 

[Avs71]

"A little bit more for me" is reference to not being behind Duchene and MacKinnon. There is a direct quote of that kicking around.

As for the dangerous weapons, here is how the two teams top-6 stack up. I did this comparison a month ago roughly.

St Louis forward core:
-Steen: 30 years old, career high 62 points (in 68 games).
-Backes: 30 years old, career high 62 points.
-Oshie: 27 years old, career high 60 points.
-Schwartz: 21 years old, career high 56 points.
-Tarasenko: 22 years old, career high 43 points (in 64 games).
-Sobotka: 26 years old, career high 33 points (in 61 games).

Those are St. Louis top-6 scoring forwards from this past season that will most likely be back next season.

Compared to Colorado:
-Duchene: 23 years old, career high 70 points in (71 games).
-Parenteau: 31 years old, career high 67 points
-Landeskog: 21 years old, career high 65 points.
-O'Reilly: 23 years old, career high 64 points.
-MacKinnon: 18 years old, career high 63 points.
-McGinn: 25 years old, career high 38 points.

I'd have to say Colorado's future is brighter given the age of the cores, matched success, and how the Avs already have 5 players with higher career totals than any player on the Blues. Tarasenko and Schwartz will undoubtedly close that gap though. Avs goaltending is also better, provided Varly can repeat last season.

Now Iginla replaces Parenteau, and Stastny goes on the Blues list, but the Avs are just as dangerous up front, if not more. Berglund should have been on there instead of Sobotka, but I thought he was being traded at the time I guess. I don't think saying the Blues have dangerous weapons is a slight to the Avs, or a surprise to anyone. They have a great team, and some great wingers for Stastny.

 

[Nzap]

I haven't said anything about a 2nd round pick.

No, but a 2nd + b/c level prospect is what was given for rentals last deadline.

 

[Bubba Thudd]

we'll keep it open for a few more days . People still have alot of things to say about what happend with Stastny . As long as it stays a hot topic , we'll keep it open.

Are we going to have a "Stastny Appreciation Thread"?

 

[backesoff]

As a Blues fan, I am really excited to have Paul in the BlueNote. Now, this situation has reminded me of how the Blues handled Brett Hull. So, I feel for the Av's fans. Good gracious, the Western Conference is just plain scary.

 

[Bender]

As a Blues fan, I am really excited to have Paul in the BlueNote. Now, this situation has reminded me of how the Blues handled Brett Hull. So, I feel for the Av's fans. Good gracious, the Western Conference is just plain scary.

Absolutely no reason to 'feel' for us...I mean it's not like we signed Kyle Quincey to a 2yr - $8.5M contract.

Besides, if the Blues had Duchene and MacKinnon in the fold, would you want them to sign Stastny for $7M per year??

 

[Foppa2118]

You mean this article:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hock...cle_a2a638d3-1242-5229-903b-f14b987c8ecc.html

I find it interesting that he jumped off the ship. Is he seeing something that we didn't?




I thought our team outscoring the Bloos by good portion?

I hope we get the Cup before the Blues.

I'm pretty sure he's just referring to the money. I heard him say that. He kept saying "as a hockey player" after everything. He was trying not to make it sound like it was purely about the money. Not that anyone should blame him. If he took a paycut to make $7M in his home town, it's unreasonable to expect him to sign for less than $6M with the Avs.

 

[AslanRH]

"A little bit more for me" is reference to not being behind Duchene and MacKinnon. There is a direct quote of that kicking around.

As for the dangerous weapons, here is how the two teams top-6 stack up. I did this comparison a month ago roughly.



Now Iginla replaces Parenteau, and Stastny goes on the Blues list, but the Avs are just as dangerous up front, if not more. Berglund should have been on there instead of Sobotka, but I thought he was being traded at the time I guess. I don't think saying the Blues have dangerous weapons is a slight to the Avs, or a surprise to anyone. They have a great team, and some great wingers for Stastny.

I think he liked playing with Oshie a good deal too. I always wanted a Landeskog - Stastny - Oshie line before MacKinnon was drafted.

Just a shame the Avs could not have passed on 1 year of a mediocre Stuart and kept Stastny while still adding Iginla.

But the "structure" needs to be maintained.

There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're... shackles letting the bad guy get ahead. One day... you may face such a moment of crisis.----- Jim Gordon

 

[backesoff]

Absolutely no reason to 'feel' for us...I mean it's not like we signed Kyle Quincey to a 2yr - $8.5M contract.

Besides, if the Blues had Duchene and MacKinnon in the fold, would you want them to sign Stastny for $7M per year??

Was just trying to relate to the fans that hate to see Paul go. Any yes, Duchene and MacKinnon are great players, so I see your point of view as well.

 

[Frenchy]

Who is this Stastny you speak of? I dont know that person sorry

hold on , let me try again : $ta$tny <--- is it better that way ?

Are we going to have a "Stastny Appreciation Thread"?

You can , but i wont make any comment in it , that's for sure

 

[Ceremony]

Are we going to have a "Stastny Appreciation Thread"?

Let the thread flame out and fall down the page generating no post production. It can be fitting.

 

[5280]

hold on , let me try again : $ta$tny <--- is it better that way ?



You can , but i wont make any comment in it , that's for sure

Yeah, I don't really have any problems with Stastny moving on in general, but moving on to the freaking Blues?

 

[tigervixxxen]

Having a little time to reflect on this, I can understand how and why it all went down. My question now is where was all that optimism BS coming from? I can believe it was very amicable and both sides were in contact. But if Sakic knew he was getting a good offer and they were not even considering approaching it then why the constant harping on it. Wasn't even their statements to the media for spin, was also insiders saying "Colorado is his strongest option". Why not just say Colorado doesn't give him the best opportunity but he'd go back of he doesn't find any lucrative offers? Would have saved us all a month of stress.

 

[AslanRH]

Having a little time to reflect on this, I can understand how and why it all went down. My question now is where was all that optimism BS coming from? I can believe it was very amicable and both sides were in contact. But if Sakic knew he was getting a good offer and they were not even considering approaching it then why the constant harping on it. Wasn't even their statements to the media for spin, was also insiders saying "Colorado is his strongest option". Why not just say Colorado doesn't give him the best opportunity but he'd go back of he doesn't find any lucrative offers? Would have saved us all a month of stress.

I think everyone including Stastny believed the Avs would come up above 6m to keep him. It just made too much sense to keep him at under 6.5m, especially with the ROR situation still undecided. Worst case scenario is that when MacK supplanted Stastny in the lineup the parties come together to move him somewhere where he'd get a better chance to play that 2C role (which are always available).

Just poor personell management which so far looks to be a weakness with the current decision makers, especially when it comes to bigger name and contract players.

 

[The Shermanator]

Let the thread flame out and fall down the page generating no post production. It can be fitting.

I will forever bump this thread with this:

 

[AvsWraith]

Having a little time to reflect on this, I can understand how and why it all went down. My question now is where was all that optimism BS coming from? I can believe it was very amicable and both sides were in contact. But if Sakic knew he was getting a good offer and they were not even considering approaching it then why the constant harping on it. Wasn't even their statements to the media for spin, was also insiders saying "Colorado is his strongest option". Why not just say Colorado doesn't give him the best opportunity but he'd go back of he doesn't find any lucrative offers? Would have saved us all a month of stress.

I think Sakic and Roy gambled and lost. They thought, confidently I'm sure, that they could sell Staz like they did Duchene, Landy, and Varly. Since he had been here before the rebuild started, and was apart the bad times and developed friendships and such, I'm sure they thought he really wouldn't leave.

I want to know where the hometown discount BS started.

 

[CantTouchThis]

I think Sakic and Roy gambled and lost. They thought, confidently I'm sure, that they could sell Staz like they did Duchene, Landy, and Varly. Since he had been here before the rebuild started, and was apart the bad times and developed friendships and such, I'm sure they thought he really wouldn't leave.

I want to know where the hometown discount BS started.

I sincerely think he meant it. He would have taken something around .5M less to stay in COL, I'm sure of it. But he wasn't offered that.

Lets not kid ourselves, in interviews, he speaks of his role on the team, his town growing up, etc but the main thing that drove him out was the $. He just can't say it in interviews.

Paul will be 32 when his deal expires. I believe in the long run, he will make more money this way, then to have signed for 7 years at 6M and be forced in UFA at 35. At 32, he'll be able to command a good chunk of change imo.

Financially, good decision on his part. It is, after all, a job - a business. Would you keep working for AT&T if Verizon offered you more cash?

 

[tigervixxxen]

I think Sakic and Roy gambled and lost. They thought, confidently I'm sure, that they could sell Staz like they did Duchene, Landy, and Varly. Since he had been here before the rebuild started, and was apart the bad times and developed friendships and such, I'm sure they thought he really wouldn't leave.

I want to know where the hometown discount BS started.

They started wooing Iginla a week ago. Now of course they needed a backup plan ready but it just feels to me like Iginla was plan A and not plan B. Now could it be spin to mitigate not getting Stastny back? Maybe. But I think more likely they made it sound like they were trying harder to bring back a fan favorite more than they actually were. Going all the way back to the start of the year, I listened to Roy on the radio every week and he was always hedging on the Stastny questions.

 

[Sheet]

They started wooing Iginla a week ago. Now of course they needed a backup plan ready but it just feels to me like Iginla was plan A and not plan B. Now could it be spin to mitigate not getting Stastny back? Maybe. But I think more likely they made it sound like they were trying harder to bring back a fan favorite more than they actually were. Going all the way back to the start of the year, I listened to Roy on the radio every week and he was always hedging on the Stastny questions.

If iggy was plan A, props to them. Cheaper, more production, more grit, more everything.

Unfortunately that holds true with age. If Iggy produces at his current rate for at least two more years I'll be ok with the staz trade. They way he is about fitness I don't anticipate he'll decline to terribly fast though.

And @ whoever said why did they sing the happy song?

"There is absolutely no ****ing chance we resign him but we don't want to ditch him for a pick going into the playoffs. Maybe if we get real lucky we can win a cup and keep him here, but don't hold your breath."

That I would have appreciated hearing but people would of been spitting nails here either way if they legit said something like that, to the extent of no way we're going to be able to resign him, but we want him for the run anyway.

 

[Foppa2118]

Having a little time to reflect on this, I can understand how and why it all went down. My question now is where was all that optimism BS coming from? I can believe it was very amicable and both sides were in contact. But if Sakic knew he was getting a good offer and they were not even considering approaching it then why the constant harping on it. Wasn't even their statements to the media for spin, was also insiders saying "Colorado is his strongest option". Why not just say Colorado doesn't give him the best opportunity but he'd go back of he doesn't find any lucrative offers? Would have saved us all a month of stress.

Pretty sure it was done as a PR move and also to put a little pressure on Staz to sign at their price, but his agent knew the Avs were offering nowhere near what other teams would.

All the nice stuff said after was just out of respect to a long time Av. Nice of Joe to handle it that way though. He knows the importance of such gestures.