Confirmed with Link: Stastny (50% ret.) for Foley, 2018 1st, cond. 2020 4th

[Howard Chuck]

I saw that in the early 80s, when a young North Star team made a couple deep runs - sure, they had some talent that was starting to come of age, but they really fed off home crowds that understood the game and were going crazy for them, and a general excitement around town about the team.

Thanks for stopping by. I remember that playoff run by the North Stars very clearly. It was one of the most exciting playoffs that I remember watching, because they became my team to cheer for that year, as I'm sure was the case with a lot of us northern folks.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Yep. Gathering assets (farming) isn't the end goal - the SC is the end goal, so it's time to start hunting. The roster was very good prior to the addition of Stastny - the roster is now ridiculously dangerous, especially when Lowry returns and he centres our (now) fourth line.

Does it assure us a Cup? No. Does it help stack the deck to give the team the best chance to do that? IMO, yes. You have to look at the opportunity, and go for it when you think your window is open.

I can't think of a situation where a window opens so obviously. This is what hockey is all about. I don't want to continue to stockpile endlessly. When the window opens, you go for it. You never know when it comes around again.

Without Foley and our late first this year, we still have far more talent and potential that we can use. That excess potential is exactly what is used to push for the playoffs.

I have so much faith in our scouting, drafting and developing, that I don't foresee a time when we have empty cupboards.

 

[scarbrow21]

This deal was clearly a coup for the Jets. It does nothing but show this organization is ready to go for it and thinks they have the pieces to do so. Healthy Trouba and Healthy Lowry has Chiarot/Morrow sitting in the PB, same with Hendricks/Mattais/Dano with two of Copp, Armia, Tanev filling out the remainder of the third line unless there's injuries. That's incredible depth when you consider we're winning with those guys in the line up nm in the PB.
The cost was not high for the caliber of player. Nash got more as a rental winger. Stastny sure, is a rental but they retained 50% of his salary, he's top 6 caliber C who's defensively responsible, can play all facets of the game and is a very good playmaker and will likely be doing that with the best scoring wingers he's ever had the chance to (save maybe Tarasenko) in Laine and Ehlers.

The 1st we gave up has about a 50% chance of being an NHLer (stats going back to about 2007), about a 10% chance of being a stud (also back to 2007) and 50% they never amount to anything. Foley though, is a very great prospect, and I'm admittedly sad to see him go but the caveat is he's right now unsigned. Foley very likely could look at the Jets winger depth and realize he's not making it here for at least another 3-4 years and Pull a Vesey in August anyways! So as sad as I am to see him go, I realize he's the best prospect to have had to give up to make this kind of a deal.

Now we await the playoffs to see if our Shiny new toy, can help us achieve a shiny OLD trophy!

 

[DRW204]

the team still has 6 picks this draft. If people think Chevy and co's scouting/drafting/developing is as top notch as they think, then moving 1 FRP shouldn't be considered a death wish to our future longevity. Granted, chances a FRP is a more useful player than later rounds is higher, but let's see who they can land on

 

[Howard Chuck]

I agree with all of this. I don't think we could have done any better than this trade. It's pretty much perfect for us at this point in time.

 

[WildGopher]

Thanks for stopping by. I remember that playoff run by the North Stars very clearly. It was one of the most exciting playoffs that I remember watching, because they became my team to cheer for that year, as I'm sure was the case with a lot of us northern folks.

I stopped by because I'm excited about the Stastny trade and what it might bring for you guys, but frankly, you kind of needed to do something like this to keep up with Nashville, who got kind of a (short-term, at least) coup with their pick-up of Turris earlier this year. That'll be a war if you meet them in the playoffs.

Thing is, Nashville is going to pay a lot more in future considerations for Turris than you had to for Stastny, so if you can keep him after next year, you're ahead of the game long-term. Hope it works out for you.

 

[Howard Chuck]

the team still has 6 picks this draft. If people think Chevy and co's scouting/drafting/developing is as top notch as they think, then moving 1 FRP shouldn't be considered a death wish to our future longevity.

All people have to do is look at the list of depth that we have now and still coming..... we could skip this draft all together and still have a packed Jets and Moose for years to come.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Chevy on Sirius XM

"It certainly was a good feeling, wanting to buy"

 

[Aavco Cup]

^Interesting to hear Chevy say how Roslovic play was the catalyst for thinking about acquiring a higher end C. He also confirmed a high ankle sprain for Trouba

 

[DRW204]

All people have to do is look at the list of depth that we have now and still coming..... we could skip this draft all together and still have a packed Jets and Moose for years to come.

exactly. not concerned about it at all.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Sorry I don’t this trade at all. Stastny is gone after this year.
We gave up our first round pick and a very good player in Foley.
After this season is over just think no first rounder and Foley that St.Louis really wanted.

the jets can get a first rounder back at the draft losing Foley is tough but that's hockey it happens still have alot of players

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Did you listen to Chevy talk yesterday. If so there is some real doubt that they werent close on Brassard. It never got to the talking to him about his NTC...

Leads me to believe the Brassard deal was never that close. If you believe the Eastern Media we were in on everybody but if you believe Chevy... He specifically said there were tons of rumors that werent even close to being true. I believe Brassard is one of those

Actually, I did. My post was mostly tongue in cheek. However, that being said, I do think Chevy was in on Brassard. In the beginning, at the very least. It was all a question of timing. Did Chevy put all of his eggs into the Stastny basket before Vegas came in on the Pens deal? I don't know. Perhaps Chevy pulled out of it long before Vegas came in.

 

[ps241]

I am of the opinion that you should not pay big assets at the deadline. Adding depth pieces are more than fine by me, provided that the prices are set accordingly. The problem I have with buying rentals is when teams buy to beef up a position at which the team is fine, or when teams overpay to have a stacked roster for three months at best. Stastny falls under the second category, which is less bad than the former.

(disclaimer: paying a second for three months of Plekanec would have been easier to swallow. Same goes for paying 1+2+prospect for 1.25 years of Brassard.)

Feel free to dig through my previous posts. I've said that back then, and I stand by those statements.

I appreciate you taking the contrarian view on this topic. I don't necessarily think you are wrong in feeling that the market generally overprices short term rental assets at the trade deadline so if everyone jumps off a cliff does it make it right for us??

Let me make two points on that might be seen as pro load up side of this debate or not:

Point 1: GM Bob Murray has never been a fan of slinging first round picks for pure rentals. They are the poster child of a team that follows in the footsteps of what you have asserted and they do well with late draft picks while they have had a kick ass teams. 2011 Rakell #30, 2012 Linholm #6, 2013 Theodore #26, 2014 Ritchie #10, 2015 Larsson #27, 2016 Jones #24 and Steel #30, 2017 no 1st round pick. Clearly this team has done a bang up job of drafting even late in the 1st and keeping the assets rolling to stay relevant. The problem is I believe the window is closing now and if they miss the playoffs this year Getlzaf, Perry, and Kesler will be close to aging out. This team was so dam close so many years could that one quality rental asset have tipped the scales? We will never know I guess but this season notwithstanding they may have squandered the window.

Point 2: last season I think Nashville were the best team and could have beaten Pittsburgh in the finals but they lost Johansen and they just didn't have a good enough replacement. There scoring totally dried up in game 5 and 6 and they lost a big chance to win it all. I was listening to one of their TV guys today on 1290 and he mentioned last year the Preds used 18 forwards during their playoff season. That is crazy they had to go 6 deep past their starting 12 and maybe they were just too banged up but on the flip side they may have been one Stastny level pick up away from a cup. Now they did end up with Tolvanen with their 30th pick so who knows it does kind of make this an interesting debate but I would love to ask Poile if he had a due over would he have added one more forward asset. Did last seasons experience lead him to his strategy this year of going heavier into the rental market?

Either way my points are far from compelling but I did want to at least add to the debate. Pens, Hawks, and Kings were all teams that tended to make moves at the deadline most seasons. Other teams that did were much less lucky so the debate rages.

 

[ffh]

^Interesting to hear Chevy say how Roslovic play was the catalyst for thinking about acquiring a higher end C. He also confirmed a high ankle sprain for Trouba

I had posted several times the exact same thing about roslovic changing their minds. if the would only have had 1 skilled player on 4th line like perreault or roslovic they would be ok with Hendricks but with 2 guys they needed a centre with skill and could play defence also. this was about as perfect a player that they could have hoped for.

 

[paragon]

The 1st we gave up has about a 50% chance of being an NHLer (stats going back to about 2007), about a 10% chance of being a stud (also back to 2007) and 50% they never amount to anything. Foley though, is a very great prospect, and I'm admittedly sad to see him go but the caveat is he's right now unsigned. Foley very likely could look at the Jets winger depth and realize he's not making it here for at least another 3-4 years and Pull a Vesey in August anyways! So as sad as I am to see him go, I realize he's the best prospect to have had to give up to make this kind of a deal.

This was my take as well. Foley was as good as gone imo. Just look at the depth chart for left wings. Connor, Perreault, Ehlers, Copp and there's also Vesalainen coming up. If I was Foley I would just wait 2 more years for unrestricted free agency and pick the team that gives me the best chance to play in the NHL. Winnipeg was not that team.

 

[ICdave]

Stastny spoke for almost 13 minutes today following morning skate. Lots of good stuff including why 25...

To listen click here.

 

[scarbrow21]

the team still has 6 picks this draft. If people think Chevy and co's scouting/drafting/developing is as top notch as they think, then moving 1 FRP shouldn't be considered a death wish to our future longevity. Granted, chances a FRP is a more useful player than later rounds is higher, but let's see who they can land on

Statistically Speaking: NHL Draft Pick Value - Article - TSN

1st round picks that late generally yield nothing of value!

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

The TSN insiders are pissed no one told them

No one told them Winnipeg had a hockey team. Much insides.... from their backsides.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Congrats on the pick-up.

Has always been one of my favourite players. One of the classiest and most professional people in the game. Wanted Winnipeg over other options(Sakic confirmed this "Not surprised the Blues traded him to Winnipeg even though it's within the division, it's what Paul wanted.") Veteran with lots of experience, good in the faceoff circle, can PP and PK.

Really happy for him and you guys just cemented yourselves as the team I'm cheering for in the playoffs. I've gushed over your team enough in the main boards(I'm a "size queen" as my fellow Avs fans call me), this is just a smart, well-planned acquisition.

Good luck, get Pauly Walnuts a Cup!

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

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[Gabe Kupari]

With the arrival of Stastny do we know lead the league in most sons or related to to former NHL players on our Jets or Moose roster?

Paul. Adam. Brendan. Brody? Any others?

 

[surixon]

All people have to do is look at the list of depth that we have now and still coming..... we could skip this draft all together and still have a packed Jets and Moose for years to come.

Appeltons emergence also likely made trading Foley more palatable. When you have a prospect or two surprise it adds to your depth and options.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Appeltons emergence also likely made trading Foley more palatable. When you have a prospect or two surprise it adds to your depth and options.

I think the org still likes Seuss as well. I can see them making a serious effort to sign him and get him for the Moose playoffs.

 

[Aavco Cup]

 

[cbcwpg]

I'm sure when Chevy asked for that little stipulation about not giving St. Louis the lottery pick ... Armstrong just said " whatever, it's not like you will be in the lottery".