Confirmed with Link: Stastny (50% ret.) for Foley, 2018 1st, cond. 2020 4th

[Aavco Cup]

Yes to home ice, yes to be being beastly.

Prime reason the Eagles were home dogs was a key injury(s), that is what we all don't want.

Idiot pundits

 

[RageQuit77]

That underdog mentality can be a real positive, I think what Wheeler said a while back was important. This team is past being under the radar so they've got to control their mindset this last quarter.

Yep. Generally underdog mentality works well and can be very positive thing as mind set of rebuilding team, but if or when we talk about successful NHL playoffs scenarios, it certainly won't be positive trait or mental set to have as there are no option of flying under radar anymore.

Self-conscious underdogs seldom have won Stanley Cups. Wheeler knows that. It's also his job to remind about it.

 

[buggs]

I am of the opinion that you should not pay big assets at the deadline. Adding depth pieces are more than fine by me, provided that the prices are set accordingly. The problem I have with buying rentals is when teams buy to beef up a position at which the team is fine, or when teams overpay to have a stacked roster for three months at best. Stastny falls under the second category, which is less bad than the former.

(disclaimer: paying a second for three months of Plekanec would have been easier to swallow. Same goes for paying 1+2+prospect for 1.25 years of Brassard.)

Feel free to dig through my previous posts. I've said that back then, and I stand by those statements.

I'll vouch for you. I recall reading a number of posts some time ago that I attribute to you on the very topic with an analysis of what the outcomes of the trades (deadline rentals specifically) were. Outside of going deep in the playoffs I'd say your opinion is pretty darn accurate on the general outcome of rental situations.

That said I do like the trade and while Foley is exciting it's more winger depth that we really don't need. Sure, retaining every asset when possible is great but I don't think realistically we'll retain and play in the NHL every kid we've drafted. I think like many I'd rather have parted ways with someone else but Foley seems to be what the Blues wanted, so that's the way it went.

The 1st hurts because I was hoping Woo would fall to us but now we're a long way out. But that said at some point a team will have to part with a first because D&D can't go on forever unless your goal is to be low end competitive forever, IMO. Chevy and crew have done a good job of getting us high end competitive via that route but a little push needed to happen because our main competitors (Bruins, Preds, Lightning) were all doing the same. I'm also not going to be surprised if Chevy makes some off-season moves to get us back up a little higher in the draft. Maybe a first, maybe a high second, but I think there'll be something there come draft time. If not, so be it.

FWIW I think Statsny goes back to the Blues, pending what they do in the off-season and if they're competitive. If they don't do much, then I suppose he could re-sign with us but the cap would make it very unlikely IMO. I know there are parts that can move but I'm not sure that's Chevy's modus operandi with respect to signed players. TNSE/Chevy are very much about loyalty, we've seen it repeatedly. Certainly they're businessmen but I think they place much more of a premium on that loyalty than most other teams in the league, perhaps even to a fault. So I'm not sure we see a Buff or Myers trade in the off-season. Never know though, just how I view it.

 

[NotCommitted]

Point 2: last season I think Nashville were the best team and could have beaten Pittsburgh in the finals but they lost Johansen and they just didn't have a good enough replacement. There scoring totally dried up in game 5 and 6 and they lost a big chance to win it all. I was listening to one of their TV guys today on 1290 and he mentioned last year the Preds used 18 forwards during their playoff season. That is crazy they had to go 6 deep past their starting 12 and maybe they were just too banged up but on the flip side they may have been one Stastny level pick up away from a cup. Now they did end up with Tolvanen with their 30th pick so who knows it does kind of make this an interesting debate but I would love to ask Poile if he had a due over would he have added one more forward asset. Did last seasons experience lead him to his strategy this year of going heavier into the rental market?

Yeah, the Preds were pretty banged up heading into the finals. If I recall correctly they also lost their #2 or #3 center... their depth guys did ok though, but ultimately I think it was losing Johansen that really did them in. If you get to the finals, you can pretty much count on having to deal with missing players for injuries and the rest being way less than 100% ... what the team did missing both Scheif & Lowry + the excellent depth in general is promising - and the addition of Stastny further solidifies the team so they can deal with injury. Absolutely right move to make for the Jets IMO. Even if they end up losing a center or two, it shouldn't be a catastrophe now, and if everyone stays healthy, depending on how exactly they build the lines, they could have a top-6 of two legit first lines or a very good first line and 2 lines either of which would be a very strong 2nd line for any team in the league. Late 1st pick + a prospect seems reasonable in this situation, since the Jets are already stacked with young players and more coming through, so it's not like they pissed away their future with this deal.

Also, Stastny is getting to the age he can't take for granted any remaining years - so if they don't win the cup this year but he feels like this team is going to be a serious contender for the coming years, getting him on a somewhat team friendly deal might perhaps be possible, but that's another discussion for a future date.

 

[mcpw]

don't worry we're still underdogs

 

[Georgetown Al]

don't worry we're still underdogs

Geez...

Chevy and TNSE really pissed off Bob M for not leaking the the Stastny trade...

Or leaf fans?

 

[Howard Chuck]

don't worry we're still underdogs

So you’re saying there’s a chance????

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I feel like we needed to do both (Center and D) or nothing. Look at the Lightning now. I don't think we did enough to win it all. Morrow is what he is, but he doesn't help for a cup run. If we are using Joe Morrow in the playoffs, we are in bad shape.

So we put our toe in the water, but didn't jump all the way in on a cup run. And we now have given up our #1 pick and a decent prospect. Oh well. This would have made more sense to me if we would have done something significant on D as well.

Hopefully, the Stastny move will enable us to get past the first round and earn some significant playoff experience this year. That would be a huge benefit as well - getting past the first round and gaining that post season experience.

But I admire Chevy for making a move and the organization for being willing to try. It is a pretty significant trade/gamble. If we can somehow re-sign Stastny, then it will have been worth it anyway to bring this year's momentum into next year.

Unfortunately, Morrow isn't going to cut it. Chiarot not great either against a team like Nashville. Fragile Toby is going to be a problem for our playoff run. We had better hope that Trouba comes back strong and no other D men injuries or it will be a quick exit again this year.

 

[KingBogo]

Unfortunately, Morrow isn't going to cut it. Chiarot not great either against a team like Nashville. Fragile Toby is going to be a problem for our playoff run. We had better hope that Trouba comes back strong and no other D men injuries or it will be a quick exit again this year.

Morrow is #5 on the LHD. Yes if we go down that low it means we are in trouble, not because we are playing Morrow but because of what we have lost above him. Poolman would have been in ahead of him but he was sent back to the Moose, which he had to be to make him eligible for their playoffs. When healthy our depth is:

LHD
Morrissey
Toby
Kulikov
Chiarot
Morrow

RHD
Trouba
Buff
Myers
Poolman

Morrow is 9th on the depth chart and plays in the playoffs with 3 defenseman out. We're toast if that happens anyways. No need to panic with Toby day to day and Trouba a couple weeks away.

And getting back on topic. Man getting Statsny was a good move.

 

[Jimby]

Playing on the Jets with Ehlers and Laine Stastny could potentially double his point totals of the last few years and set a new career high for himself. He may give serious thought to not leaving at the end of the season.

 

[elmaco]

Playing on the Jets with Ehlers and Laine Stastny could potentially double his point totals of the last few years and set a new career high for himself. He may give serious thought to not leaving at the end of the season.

Stastny has always been really good but stagnated a little on the Blues, hope he re-signs.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Playing on the Jets with Ehlers and Laine Stastny could potentially double his point totals of the last few years and set a new career high for himself. He may give serious thought to not leaving at the end of the season.

Something tells me Stastny isn't worried about his point totals or dollar signs at this point in his career.

I think the only thing that would entice him to sign here would be the thought of winning. He'd have to think there is a legitimate chance of winning the cup here every year of his term.

That's not to say he'd take a discount or give up term.... He might but this is a guy who lives in St. Louis, loves it down there, has a family....

I can only imagine going back to St. Louis would be ideal for him and I wouldn't blame him. They will probably be a good team again next year and if he is taking a discount it's probably there.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

In 2020, Stastny may be centering a line with Eric Foley and their Winnipeg Jets 1st round draft pick from 2018. Not likely, but hey it's possible.

 

[Trinity]

Stastny looked like a beauty last night.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Morrow is #5 on the LHD. Yes if we go down that low it means we are in trouble, not because we are playing Morrow but because of what we have lost above him. Poolman would have been in ahead of him but he was sent back to the Moose, which he had to be to make him eligible for their playoffs. When healthy our depth is:

LHD
Morrissey
Toby
Kulikov
Chiarot
Morrow

RHD
Trouba
Buff
Myers
Poolman

Morrow is 9th on the depth chart and plays in the playoffs with 3 defenseman out. We're toast if that happens anyways. No need to panic with Toby day to day and Trouba a couple weeks away.

And getting back on topic. Man getting Statsny was a good move.

If the Jets have to play Morrow and he's your 6th guy and you have at least your top 4 maybe 5 D still playing I don't think you're automatically toast.

You can win in that situation of course it makes it more difficult but it is certainly possible.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

In 2020, Stastny may be centering a line with Eric Foley and their Winnipeg Jets 1st round draft pick from 2018. Not likely, but hey it's possible.

Possible sure but also possible that he's centering a line with Foley in Wpg.

Not likely at all but possible. St.Louis doesn't look like they are going to really be a serious factor in the next year or so, Stasny has said that is something at his stage of his career he thought/thinks about.

 

[Aavco Cup]

In 2020, Stastny may be centering a line with Eric Foley and their Winnipeg Jets 1st round draft pick from 2018. Not likely, but hey it's possible.

Who cares if he's plugging his ear with a Winnipeg Jets Stanley Cup ring?

 

[Jimby]

Stastny will be centering Nashville's 4th line?

In 2020, Stastny may be centering a line with Eric Foley and their Winnipeg Jets 1st round draft pick from 2018. Not likely, but hey it's possible.

 

[White Out 902]

So let's assume for a second we don't re-sign Stastny. Is it really that far out of the realm of possibility to shop his rights for, say, a 3rd rounder (in the summer before july1)?

 

[Aavco Cup]

So let's assume for a second we don't re-sign Stastny. Is it really that far out of the realm of possibility to shop his rights for, say, a 3rd rounder (in the summer before july1)?

Not much time between June 20th (Parade day) and July 1

 

[White Out 902]

Not much time between June 20th (Parade day) and July 1

Oh shut up. My heart can't handle that.

 

[Jets]

Maybe we can just do some photoshop magic and swap his name with Littles’ on that 6 year extension...

 

[Aavco Cup]

If you're keeping Stastny, then Lowry is traded no?

Although if you compare to the Oilers

McD 12.5 > Scheif 6.1 + Litts 5.3

Drai 8.5 > Stats 5 + Lousy 3

 

[Daximus]

If you're keeping Stastny, then Lowry is traded no?

Although if you compare to the Oilers

McD 12.5 > Scheif 6.1 + Litts 5.3

Drai 8.5 > Stats 5 + Lousy 3

We could definitely keep them all. But it would likely mean Stats signs for at the most 5 mil and on a short term deal to give us some flexibility when we need to resign the kids. How much the cap goes up will be a big factor as well

 

[Daximus]

So let's assume for a second we don't re-sign Stastny. Is it really that far out of the realm of possibility to shop his rights for, say, a 3rd rounder (in the summer before july1)?

It's unlikely any team gives up a pick that high for a couple weeks on negotiations. Most teams will just take their chances on July 1st.