Confirmed with Link: Stastny (50% ret.) for Foley, 2018 1st, cond. 2020 4th

[Maukkis]

Respectfully disagree 100%. You may only get a chance at a cup run a handful of times with any core group of players and when that arises you need to toss in a bit of a premium to give them the best chance possible. Just look at the Sens experience. A goal from the Stanley cup finals do a major selloff and start over mode a season later.

Agree to disagree, partially. I do agree with giving your team a better chance to win - heck, that is the whole point of managing a team - but I do not agree with paying the premium to do so. (if we somehow keep Stastny, though, then it is a different discussion altogether)

Then again, if this team proves me wrong in June, I would be one happy man.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

You just have to go all in when you are holding a Q high flush.

And yes, sometimes you will still lose to the K high or A high flush, but you will most definitely lose if you don't try.

This team has never been in a better position to make a run at the Cup. Will it work out... we will see and that's the fun in all of this.

Yep. Gathering assets (farming) isn't the end goal - the SC is the end goal, so it's time to start hunting. The roster was very good prior to the addition of Stastny - the roster is now ridiculously dangerous, especially when Lowry returns and he centres our (now) fourth line.

Does it assure us a Cup? No. Does it help stack the deck to give the team the best chance to do that? IMO, yes. You have to look at the opportunity, and go for it when you think your window is open.

 

[Maukkis]

We’ve got a slew of first round picks just starting out their careers already on the team. We’re loaded. One less (very late) first rounder now is a small price to pay. Sheesh.

I guess having SEVEN of our nine first round selections in the roster makes it easier to justify giving one up.

 

[Cellee]

You cannot only draft and develop. You have to find more than one way to improve your team.

We did that yesterday.

 

[Guerzy]

For me it's not just about this year. If Stastny can help us get to the second or third round, that could still pay huge dividends to this team for next year even if Stastny doesn't stick around. Experience can be an invaluable asset to a team and one with as many young players as we have.

All in all, I am stoked for this team and the stretch run here. I 100% think we can go all the way. This is exciting. I said last month that I felt there was something special about this team, it reminds me of the 2006 Hurricanes. It just feels right. Dave Poulin said the same thing yesterday on TSN. There is just something about this team, this room and group of guys that feels 'right'.

 

[KingBogo]

For me it's not just about this year. If Stastny can help us get to the second or third round, that could still pay huge dividends to this team for next year even if Stastny doesn't stick around. Experience can be an invaluable asset to a team and one with as many young players as we have.

All in all, I am stoked for this team and the stretch run here. I 100% think we can go all the way. There is something special about this team. This is exciting.

Agreed and what impact does a long cup run have on the desire for this young group to stay together. We have a lot of really good young talent and a captain seemly untouched by father time that will need contracts over the next couple years. Is it possible that hoisting the Cup, or coming within sniffing distance galvanizes a desire for everyone to take a little bit less to stick together? We have already seen Scheif and Ehlers bought in even before playoff success.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Agree to disagree, partially. I do agree with giving your team a better chance to win - heck, that is the whole point of managing a team - but I do not agree with paying the premium to do so. (if we somehow keep Stastny, though, then it is a different discussion altogether)

Then again, if this team proves me wrong in June, I would be one happy man.

Don't think we paid a premium at all. What we paid was right in line with the typical rental price.

Much rather give up this for Stastny than what Minnesota paid for Hanzal last year.

 

[cbcwpg]

Yep. Gathering assets (farming) isn't the end goal - the SC is the end goal, so it's time to start hunting. The roster was very good prior to the addition of Stastny - the roster is now ridiculously dangerous, especially when Lowry returns and he centres our (now) fourth line.

Does it assure us a Cup? No. Does it help stack the deck to give the team the best chance to do that? IMO, yes. You have to look at the opportunity, and go for it when you think your window is open.

The bolded is the key. With 31 teams ( and soon to be 32 ) there are only so many chances that a team is going to have to win it all. I'm not saying to throw away the future all the time, but sometimes you have to give up some of the future and make that push.

I look at Boston. The trade was Boston giving up a lot to make the push now by getting Nash. They are 3rd in their division and they can smell some success so they are going for it.

"Our players have made a push and I wanted to inch that along if we could, and reward it in a way," Sweeney said.

 

[Maukkis]

Don't think we paid a premium at all. What we paid was right in line with the typical rental price.

Much rather give up this for Stastny than what Minnesota paid for Hanzal last year.

If they're all overpayments, is it really that good if it is in line with the rest...

200% agree on the second notion, though.

 

[SensibleGuy]

It’s worth remembering that even the players prior to the season starting were saying things like “this is the year.” That sort of talk never happened in previous seasons. These guys have spent their lives playing hockey and they have a pretty innate sense of what the circumstances of the team around them are. They knew this accumulation of talent is different than what we’ve seen in past seasons - they could sense this was a good team that had real potential.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

If they're all overpayments, is it really that good if it is in line with the rest...

200% agree on the second notion, though.

Fair, is it safe to say you're just not a fan of rentals at all then?

Usually I'd agree, but I made a post in the main board thread about why I feel it is not as bad this time to make this trade. With all of the extensions that are needed or going to kick in within the next two years (Laine/Helle/Morrissey/Trouba/Ehlers/Lowry), we may not have as good of a chance to add a player like Stastny any time soon. Add in the fact that we have really good prospect and young player depth and can afford to lose a 1st round pick and a B prospect, and I don't feel as concerned as I usually would.

It definitely raises my expectations though, I had posted earlier that I would be content with a hard fought series 1 loss. After this move, if we don't win at least a round it will be a big disappointment.

 

[Say What]

People do realise it is a crapshoot. Sometimes you end up with Roslovic, sometimes you'll bump into a Karlsson, and sometimes you'll have a Chet Pickard to show for your pick. You'll never know.

We overpaid, plain and simple. If that overpayment results in a Cup, then I could care less about Foley and a pick. If it doesn't, well... it is an overpayment. What else would it be? Two, maybe three months of player X for 1st + is a very bad trade in vacuum.

I do like the fact that Chevy only spent assets on players that filled our needs, but it does not change the fact that he spent too much.

IMO, TNSE has always investigated what is deemed a 'good fit' for this Organization/this marketplace; through Free Agency, the Draft, the Trade Deadline or simply hockey transactions. The willingness to pay market value/market rates in any of these previously mentioned avenues is the cost of doing business in the ultra competitive world of professional hockey. The price an Organization is willing to pay, isn't always the deciding factor in landing that coveted piece; to fortify a roster. In addition, doing your due diligence doesn't always yield the desired results, but at the end of such a process it's pure fiction to categorize it as an 'overpay', IMO. To each their own. Time will tell.

 

[cbcwpg]

Teammates excited as Jets acquire Stastny, Morrow in trades

"When I first caught wind of it, it was a possibility, and even just the possibility was really exciting," said Wheeler, who praised Stastny's versatility. "[He] can plug in a number of holes, awesome face-off guy, he's put up numbers his entire career."

"He's one of those players that can step in, play a big role for us and help us out in a lot of different situations," said Jets defenceman Dustin Byfuglien. "We're just showing that we're willing to make the push and make the run for [the playoffs]."

Stastny confirmed he waived the no-trade clause in his contract to facilitate the trade. "There's maybe only a few teams where maybe I would really take serious consideration [to being traded] and I had no idea one of those teams would be interested."

 

[Maukkis]

Fair, is it safe to say you're just not a fan of rentals at all then?

Usually I'd agree, but I made a post in the main board thread about why I feel it is not as bad this time to make this trade. With all of the extensions that are needed or going to kick in within the next two years (Laine/Helle/Morrissey/Trouba/Ehlers/Lowry), we may not have as good of a chance to add a player like Stastny any time soon. Add in the fact that we have really good prospect and young player depth and can afford to lose a 1st round pick and a B prospect, and I don't feel as concerned as I usually would.

It definitely raises my expectations though, I had posted earlier that I would be content with a hard fought series 1 loss. After this move, if we don't win at least a round it will be a big disappointment.

I am of the opinion that you should not pay big assets at the deadline. Adding depth pieces are more than fine by me, provided that the prices are set accordingly. The problem I have with buying rentals is when teams buy to beef up a position at which the team is fine, or when teams overpay to have a stacked roster for three months at best. Stastny falls under the second category, which is less bad than the former.

(disclaimer: paying a second for three months of Plekanec would have been easier to swallow. Same goes for paying 1+2+prospect for 1.25 years of Brassard.)

Feel free to dig through my previous posts. I've said that back then, and I stand by those statements.

 

[Bristo]

I guess having SEVEN of our nine first round selections in the roster makes it easier to justify giving one up.

Obviously, specifically Winnipeg Jets' first round picks are highly valuable

Good thing we just traded the pick, and didn't lend them Chevy to make it for them

 

[Bristo]

I am of the opinion that you should not pay big assets at the deadline. Adding depth pieces are more than fine by me, provided that the prices are set accordingly. The problem I have with buying rentals is when teams buy to beef up a position at which the team is fine, or when teams overpay to have a stacked roster for three months at best. Stastny falls under the second category, which is less bad than the former.

Will you feel that this principle has been less violated if we re-sign Stastny in the off season?

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

That would be suicide for TB. Playing all your top 4 D 25+ mins every game of a long PO run would wear them out or cause injuries. Also add a few 4-5 period games would almost kill them.

Of course they will play their bottom pairing more than 8 minutes 'every' game. I am talking about in close games.

 

[surixon]

I think this also brings us back to a point that was raised a while ago about making hay while your stars are on ELC. Pittsburgh and Chicago won their first cups with Toews, Staal, Kane and Mallkin all on charge entry level deals. In a cap environment it is important to take advantage of that window.

Chevy might be thinking the same and is willing to make more of a push while he still has the flexibility afforded to him by having a top 10 goal scorer in the league on his ELC for the next few years. Throw in Connor and Roslovic and now might be the best time to augment the roster.

 

[libertarian]

Genuine shock and admiration. No one on any of the myriad panels had any idea that Stastny was available, and it was well after they interviewed him that Mike Johnson finally confirmed on-air that he had to waive to come here (which we all knew here, of course).

By 5:00 they were trying--and, in one case, failing--to talk themselves out of calling the Jets the best team in the league.



If Hendricks is even half the glue guy he's purported to be, this will not be an issue at all.

IC has a interview with Hendricks and he sounds truly happy with the trade.
From everything I've heard or read about the guy he is a classy guy and will always support his team and teammates. Hell even if he doesn't play another game for the Jets he will still get a ring.

 

[Maukkis]

IMO, TNSE has always investigated what is deemed a 'good fit' for this Organization/this marketplace; through Free Agency, the Draft, the Trade Deadline or simply hockey transactions. The willingness to pay market value/market rates in any of these previously mentioned avenues is the cost of doing business in the ultra competitive world of professional hockey. The price an Organization is willing to pay, isn't always the deciding factor in landing that coveted piece; to fortify a roster. In addition, doing your due diligence doesn't always yield the desired results, but at the end of such a process it's pure fiction to categorize it as an 'overpay', IMO. To each their own. Time will tell.

True.

I reckon there are multiple posters with whom I just have to agree to disagree, but I'll leave with listing a couple of things which I find to be rather positive.

- a veteran waived his NTC to come here
- Chevy ONLY addressed needs this TDL, after all
- we did not take unnecessary long-term financial risks (this is a BIG positive)
- McPhee does not have friends in all the high places

 

[Maukkis]

Will you feel that this principle has been less violated if we re-sign Stastny in the off season?

In that unlikely event, the trade likely turns into a positive one for me (unless Stastny falls off a cliff/Chevy does something uncharacteristically boneheaded to make room for him).

 

[Guffman]

Buffs interview about the trade was 3:35 and I literally counted 42 "You know" in there.

Yes i did have more productive things i could have done, but, you know...

Yeah, everytime Buff gives an interview, he says “y’know” a bunch of times.

If he watch a Schiefele interview, he always throws in “obviously” a couple of times.

 

[TannedBum]

We’ve got a slew of first round picks just starting out their careers already on the team. We’re loaded. One less (very late) first rounder now is a small price to pay. Sheesh.

Late pick or not, it was still a big trading asset. There's new challenges ahead, other than drafting 1st rounders.

But like i said before. I think it was worth the risk, especially if Lowry's condition is more and less question mark.

 

[Whileee]

People do realise it is a crapshoot. Sometimes you end up with Roslovic, sometimes you'll bump into a Karlsson, and sometimes you'll have a Chet Pickard to show for your pick. You'll never know.

We overpaid, plain and simple. If that overpayment results in a Cup, then I could care less about Foley and a pick. If it doesn't, well... it is an overpayment. What else would it be? Two, maybe three months of player X for 1st + is a very bad trade in vacuum.

I do like the fact that Chevy only spent assets on players that filled our needs, but it does not change the fact that he spent too much.

I don't think rentals for championship calibre teams can really be seen in terms of pure value. Obviously, if they bow out of the playoffs early they won't have benefitted from the trade, and the assets would be wasted. If they go on a nice run with Stastny contributing, it will have been worth it. There's not much grey area. It's a pure gamble to try to go for it. The price is pretty standard. The main issues are whether the GM has picked the right season and the right top end player. I think the answer is a resounding "yes" to both.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Looking back on Brassard trade.. is it allowed for jets to trade 7th round pick to, say, Panthers to have them retain 50% salary on Wheeler?

Or does a player actually need to end up in different team?

That is not allowed.