Confirmed with Link: Stastny (50% ret.) for Foley, 2018 1st, cond. 2020 4th

[DeepFrickinValue]

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There is a reason most of the latter first round picks have been traded. Most teams likely feel there is significant drop off after the first 25 picks or so.


Oh Ottawa. Would you trade a kidney for that first rounder back?

 

[Jets 31]

I'm sorry but i don't get some people being upset we traded our LATE first round pick . To me the majority of us on here complained Chevy didn't do enough to make our team better , now he does and were not happy . Anything can happen next year , look at the Oilers , Chevy always said it's a process and now he obviously thinks it's the time to go for it . Laine helped speed up the process that's forsure and Helly's great bounce back , I'm super pumped and all of us long time suffering Jets fans absolutely deserve this . Go Jets Go

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

I'm sorry but i don't get some people being upset we traded our LATE first round pick . To me the majority of us on here complained Chevy didn't do enough to make our team better , now he does and were not happy . Anything can happen next year , look at the Oilers , Chevy always said it's a process and now he obviously thinks it's the time to go for it . Laine helped speed up the process that's forsure and Helly's great bounce back , I'm super pumped and all of us long time suffering Jets fans absolutely deserve this . Go Jets Go

The draft pick and prospect worship on this site is usually out of hand IMO. (This is a bit of a caricature/exaggeration, but I couldn't find a better way to say it. It's a fine opinion to have, I just disagree most of the time)

Not surprising on a place calied "hockey's future"

 

[rymr66]

i'm excited about this trade for many reasons - i love the message it sends - it says this is a team that wants to win it all and when they see a chance they go for it - that message got sent and was received, not just by the players in the locker room, or the fans of this team, but also to the rest of the nhl - it's like when the penguins went out and got hossa - this is big, for so many reasons - the impact of this trade will go far beyond whether or not the jets win the stanley cup this year - and that's why chevy had to do it - hats off to him, and ownership for stepping up - go jets go

 

[ps241]

Sorry I don’t this trade at all. Stastny is gone after this year.
We gave up our first round pick and a very good player in Foley.
After this season is over just think no first rounder and Foley that St.Louis really wanted.

At the end of the day that is the stage we are in now. We are transitioning from farmer to Hunter. I feel it is a very big cost too especially if we exit in the first round but Chevy drew a line in the sand and said after 6.5 years of building for tomorrow we are going to invest a piece of tomorrow into today.

He is taking a calculated risk to make sure this team has a better shot at a longer run this year in the playoffs. I had similar feelings to you but I have come around for a few reasons and let me try to build a case.

I know the cost Seems steep if we exit in the first round. We will have risked futures and got zero net value increase. On the flip side Foley may never be an NHL player and that Blues extra pick could end up not working out, it happens all the time. Chicago grabbed Ladd and took their shot and gave up more than we did this season and flamed out in the first round but all we got back was Dano (who I like) who has never done much here and Logan Stanley. People (myself included) tend to bring up examples of when teams add pieces and don’t win the cup but fail to notice that the pieces and picks given up often don’t amount to much either.

Example B is Edmonton and Ottawa. These are teams that were both a goal away from going to the semifinal and cup final last spring and are major flame outs this season. By this I mean we are not nessesarily going to be back next year despite all the indicators so maybe it’s a good time to double down and take our shot this season while we are hot.

Lastly will we actually get better this season by adding Stastny? There are no guarantees but if they put Paul on our current 3rd line between Ehlers and Laine and our 4th line becomes Copp Lowry Armia the Jets have the best top 12 in the NHL IMO. I think Paul Stastny adds a lot because he pushes Adam Lowry down a line and Lowry would be an amazing 4th line centre.

I know this is a young team but things are going to get expensive fast when all our young super stars start getting paid......we may look back one day and say this was the best chance we ever had to win a cup so maybe a 25th - 31st pick and an unproven prospect was a fair risk for a team with cupboards that are overflowing?

 

[Calendal]

Yesterday’s bad news: Traveling in Rome - colosseum was closed due to heavy snowfall.

Good news: Jets acquire Statsny.

Today’s good news: no hangover.

Today’s bad news: I’m out of limoncello now.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Yesterday’s bad news: Traveling in Rome - colosseum was closed due to heavy snowfall.

Good news: Jets acquire Statsny.

Today’s good news: no hangover.

Today’s bad news: I’m out of limoncello now.

This is what really matters. What are you gonna trade to get some more booze depth?

 

[Calendal]

This is what really matters. What are you gonna trade to get some more booze depth?

I’ll probably have to give up a drink voucher printed by the Central Bank of Europe.

 

[Calendal]

Looking back on Brassard trade.. is it allowed for jets to trade 7th round pick to, say, Panthers to have them retain 50% salary on Wheeler?

Or does a player actually need to end up in different team?

 

[libertarian]

McDonagh, who joins Hedman, Stralman, Girardi in Tampa. I don't know if they will even need to play their bottom D pairing more than 8 minutes a game. Unless someone gets hurt.

Anyway. Stastny makes us a better team. No doubt about it. And the price was in line with other assets. Can't complain about the price.

Go Jets Go!

That would be suicide for TB. Playing all your top 4 D 25+ mins every game of a long PO run would wear them out or cause injuries. Also add a few 4-5 period games would almost kill them.

 

[Insthofen]

I can see only one bad thing about this trade.

I need to wake up for tonights game...

 

[grieves]

Seems like a good fit. Has strengths we absolutely need and has weaknesses we don't care about.

 

[SensibleGuy]

If you win the Cup, nobody should have anything to complain about.

If you don't... then it depends.

Let's put it this way: I put together a list of the last eleven teams who paid big prices for rentals at TDL. Two of those eleven reached the finals with their respective rental in the lineup, whereas the rest were major disappointments. Those are not good odds.

Even this year, five teams splashed the cash (TB, BOS, NSH, WPG, PIT). Four of the five will fail to make it all the way. (granted that not every acquisition was a pure rental, but you get the point)

You won’t find me complaining about this trade even if we get knocked out in round 1. It’s a good move. People need to realize it’s still a real crap shoot...winning a cup is incredibly unlikely. It’s not like you add a guy at the TD and suddenly your odds of going all the way jump from 25% up to 85%. It’s still only one player on a team and the playoffs are a meat grinder. What would we all be saying if Chevy hadn’t made a move and we get knocked out in the first round? 50% of the teams are done in round 1.

 

[KingBogo]

I have figured one thing out by reading the last couple pages you can slot the middle 6 however you want, any way you slice it there will be hell to pay if we are full strength.

Agreed. We can mix and match in many ways. This has become a very strong and balanced team. It's going to be a fun ride.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I want to be ecstatic I really do but I haven’t seen Avgard weigh in yet
I’d like to see the professors POV
All kidding aside a really nice surprise.
TNSE is all in this year kudos

 

[HannuJ]

Is it though? I’ve often wondered this. Almost every team in the league wins about 50% of its face offs. First to 20th is something like a 3% difference. From first to worst is around 4 face offs wins a game. Out of 60 face offs.

I get needing to win the important draws, but it seems like a lot of attention is given to face off percentages when the differences are statistically insignificant.

as garett would probably say:
the faceoff win is relatively irrelevant. it's what happens after the faceoff that matters.
winning a face-off doesn't guarantee a good shot opportunity or good zone control.

 

[Daximus]

as garett would probably say:
the faceoff win is relatively irrelevant. it's what happens after the faceoff that matters.
winning a face-off doesn't guarantee a good shot opportunity or good zone control.

It does make it easier. From the perspective of chasing the puck a face off is nice. We tend to control play a lot more when we dominate the dot. It's not a guarantee we win the game but it sure as hell makes it easier when you aren't chasing the puck. Of course there are more factors involved but for anyone that has played any kind of competitive hockey winning a face off is a heck of a lot better than losing it.

 

[Maukkis]

You won’t find me complaining about this trade even if we get knocked out in round 1. It’s a good move. People need to realize it’s still a real crap shoot...winning a cup is incredibly unlikely. It’s not like you add a guy at the TD and suddenly your odds of going all the way jump from 25% up to 85%. It’s still only one player on a team and the playoffs are a meat grinder. What would we all be saying if Chevy hadn’t made a move and we get knocked out in the first round? 50% of the teams are done in round 1.

People do realise it is a crapshoot. Sometimes you end up with Roslovic, sometimes you'll bump into a Karlsson, and sometimes you'll have a Chet Pickard to show for your pick. You'll never know.

We overpaid, plain and simple. If that overpayment results in a Cup, then I could care less about Foley and a pick. If it doesn't, well... it is an overpayment. What else would it be? Two, maybe three months of player X for 1st + is a very bad trade in vacuum.

I do like the fact that Chevy only spent assets on players that filled our needs, but it does not change the fact that he spent too much.

 

[KingBogo]

At the end of the day that is the stage we are in now. We are transitioning from farmer to Hunter. I feel it is a very big cost too especially if we exit in the first round but Chevy drew a line in the sand and said after 6.5 years of building for tomorrow we are going to invest a piece of tomorrow into today.

He is taking a calculated risk to make sure this team has a better shot at a longer run this year in the playoffs. I had similar feelings to you but I have come around for a few reasons and let me try to build a case.

I know the cost Seems steep if we exit in the first round. We will have risked futures and got zero net value increase. On the flip side Foley may never be an NHL player and that Blues extra pick could end up not working out, it happens all the time. Chicago grabbed Ladd and took their shot and gave up more than we did this season and flamed out in the first round but all we got back was Dano (who I like) who has never done much here and Logan Stanley. People (myself included) tend to bring up examples of when teams add pieces and don’t win the cup but fail to notice that the pieces and picks given up often don’t amount to much either.

Example B is Edmonton and Ottawa. These are teams that were both a goal away from going to the semifinal and cup final last spring and are major flame outs this season. By this I mean we are not nessesarily going to be back next year despite all the indicators so maybe it’s a good time to double down and take our shot this season while we are hot.

Lastly will we actually get better this season by adding Stastny? There are no guarantees but if they put Paul on our current 3rd line between Ehlers and Laine and our 4th line becomes Copp Lowry Armia the Jets have the best top 12 in the NHL IMO. I think Paul Stastny adds a lot because he pushes Adam Lowry down a line and Lowry would be an amazing 4th line centre.

I know this is a young team but things are going to get expensive fast when all our young super stars start getting paid......we may look back one day and say this was the best chance we ever had to win a cup so maybe a 25th - 31st pick and an unproven prospect was a fair risk for a team with cupboards that are overflowing?

This is a great post PS. Echos my thoughts in many ways. I feel like I've been very patient and supported the slow build every step of the way. I'm very excited by the rapid rise of the team this season and I'm overjoyed that Chevy is willing to shift gears and go into hunter mode to give us a real shot at a cup run. Man I look forward to discussing matchups and player performances this spring rather than draft position and draft eligible prospects.

 

[TannedBum]

It’s still only one player on a team and the playoffs are a meat grinder. What would we all be saying if Chevy hadn’t made a move and we get knocked out in the first round? 50% of the teams are done in round 1.

Probably the very same thing. But with one 1st round pick richer

 

[KingBogo]

People do realise it is a crapshoot. Sometimes you end up with Roslovic, sometimes you'll bump into a Karlsson, and sometimes you'll have a Chet Pickard to show for your pick. You'll never know.

We overpaid, plain and simple. If that overpayment results in a Cup, then I could care less about Foley and a pick. If it doesn't, well... it is an overpayment. What else would it be? Two, maybe three months of player X for 1st + is a very bad trade in vacuum.

I do like the fact that Chevy only spent assets on players that filled our needs, but it does not change the fact that he spent too much.

Respectfully disagree 100%. You may only get a chance at a cup run a handful of times with any core group of players and when that arises you need to toss in a bit of a premium to give them the best chance possible. Just look at the Sens experience. A goal from the Stanley cup finals do a major selloff and start over mode a season later.

 

[cbcwpg]

You just have to go all in when you are holding a Q high flush.

And yes, sometimes you will still lose to the K high or A high flush, but you will most definitely lose if you don't try.

This team has never been in a better position to make a run at the Cup. Will it work out... we will see and that's the fun in all of this.

 

[SensibleGuy]

It was not an “over pay.”

 

[WildGopher]

I feel it is a very big cost too especially if we exit in the first round

As a Wild fan who really likes what the Jets have done this year, I don't think you're going to have a first-round exit, so I think Stastny was a real good pick up for you. And I like the fact that it shows your management is going for it now.

As of now, you'd face the Wild in the first round, and I think you match up pretty well against them. Both teams have good depth at forward, especially with the addition of Stastny, but you have more firepower there. The Wild arguably have a better D core, but your goaltending has been better. Those question marks on D could affect whether you can make a deep run - Ottawa did it largely with great D work and opportunistic goals last year - but with your more relentless (and now deeper) offense, you shouldn't have to rely on just opportunistic goals. It could be some pretty great and exciting hockey to watch if you could go deep.

As far as other potential playoff opponents, maybe tonight will answer some questions about how well you match up against Nashville (a likely second round opponent), and I don't know enough to know how you'd match up if your first round foe is Dallas or St. Louis. Dallas has that same potential for pouring in a lot of goals in a hurry that you do, but has some other question marks that make you wonder if they have what it takes to make a deep run. If you get by the Central foes, I have to think you can keep up with anyone in the Pacific, so it could get fun up there!

But there's one key unknown: You have a fair number of younger players who'd have to play an important part of any deep run in the playoffs. That can go either way. Do they really know how much they're going to have to step it up? Do you have the veteran leadership to teach them that? Can your coaches? Sometimes the young guys just don't know, and it takes a playoff defeat to learn and get that perspective. But Winnipeg has one advantage - super fan support that can inspire especially the young players who tend to rely more on emotion. I saw that in the early 80s, when a young North Star team made a couple deep runs - sure, they had some talent that was starting to come of age, but they really fed off home crowds that understood the game and were going crazy for them, and a general excitement around town about the team. And everyone knows Winnipeg certainly has that, and your building and city will be rocking for them.

If you play the Wild in round 1, I'll get to a game and hope for a win, but honestly won't be disappointed if you take it and then can take out Nashville and whoever wins the Pacific, because I think you have a better chance to go deep than the Wild. I've always liked the Jets as kind of a secondary team to support - when we lost the North Stars, I became a Jets fan, only to see your franchise get torn away like ours did. Maybe it's finally your time! The hockey Gods owe you one, so good luck this spring!

 

[SensibleGuy]

Probably the very same thing. But with one 1st round pick richer

We’ve got a slew of first round picks just starting out their careers already on the team. We’re loaded. One less (very late) first rounder now is a small price to pay. Sheesh.