matt trick
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Yeah, the wiping memory stuff was not explained properly, I think Qimir wanted to kill Mae for failing him, and that Osha made a deal to save her, but he's so not hostile at this point that it didn't feel necessary. Other than some rushed things, I also thought this series was mostly fun - certainly not the bottom of the barrel stuff everybody's ranting about (compared to the other SW series).
Star Wars : Crouching Tiger and Hidden DragonDo yourself a favor and don't start it up again
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I'm one of those. I think Andor stands alone on top of these shows, by quite the margin, and I really couldn't stand Mando S1 and 2 (it was competently done, but couldn't stand the episodic structure). I know S3 got shit for going away from having hero-Mando and cute-baby as the central motor, and too got somewhat spiraled into the nerds' hate-campaign, but I thought it was more enjoyable (even if pretty dumb at times and a lot more uneven than the previous 2). The Acolyte might be my second favorite of these series - it's flawed, but was more fun to me than Ahsoka and Kenobi, which I still mostly enjoyed too. I don't have a SW craving, so these things can't really disappoint.I thought it was on the level of Andor, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. The only show that’s really knocked it out of the park, for me, is The Mandalorian. And that’s just S1 and S2. The rest are good, but not great. Book of Boba Fett was decent, but not quite good.
A lot of people rank Andor higher, but there was too much dullness in it for me to put it into that top tier.
This is a pretty good video essay (better than the thumbnail makes it seem) and the first 10 seconds might be the funniest meme that I've seen for the show.
So maybe Torbin just agreed and couldn't stand the Jedi to be corrupt. Y'all sound like you'd die over it too! Now, that this guy, who was very lame to begin with, became a master in what seems to be a very short time, despite the guilt he maybe was already feeling, that seems a bit of a stretch, but it's not really part of this show. As for his other complaints, I do think the mother was going to let Sol have Osha, don't think she was lying, and I don't think "lol" proves she was. I also don't think you need to hear someone's reason for killing your mother. These are certainly not proofs of "dogshit writing".The Jedi are supposed to be GOOD.
So, when a lot of people have the same criticisms, it's not a sign that those criticisms might be deserved, but a sign of a "spiraling" hate campaign? What would a legitimate criticism for this show be, then... one that no one has made before and no one repeats?That's what I meant by spiraling... There's not a single lamentation in this video that hasn't been posted in this thread already and that didn't appeared previously in lamentations in my FB feed - but for some reason you all need to keep going at it. Anyway, it's a pretty poor "essay" as the strongest arguments are "shit writing", "high-school level writing incompetence", "garbage writing" and "dogshit writing" (I'm sure I skipped a few other compelling ideas). It's like there was a single right way of writing something, and that this guy knew about it, but wouldn't explain it either. He bases most of his whining on the character's reactions to Sol murdering the mother, which to him are illogical (except for the wookie, who seems to act accordingly to things that were already put in place before - the right SW way of doing things, repetition?). I have zero problem with any of these reactions - especially the lame Jedi going into silence and killing himself. On one hand, fans are like "he killed himself for no reason, had no reason to feel such guilt", etc., and on the other are like "this show is trash for making the Jedi liars and doubtful and bad guys" (in other words: Not my Jedi!).
So maybe Torbin just agreed and couldn't stand the Jedi to be corrupt. Y'all sound like you'd die over it too! Now, that this guy, who was very lame to begin with, became a master in what seems to be a very short time, despite the guilt he maybe was already feeling, that seems a bit of a stretch, but it's not really part of this show. As for his other complaints, I do think the mother was going to let Sol have Osha, don't think she was lying, and I don't think "lol" proves she was. I also don't think you need to hear someone's reason for killing your mother. These are certainly not proofs of "dogshit writing".
Anyway, I'm sure someone who uses the word "pathetic" as he does and who considers people who might have liked the show not having "standards" (pathetic and narrative "standards" should not be used close to another from hardcore SW fans) will NOT be watching season 2 if it ever comes out.![]()
So, when a lot of people have the same criticisms, it's not a sign that those criticisms might be deserved, but proof of a "spiraling" hate campaign? What would be a legitimate criticism for this show be, then... one that no one has made before and no one repeats?
You seem to be suggesting that Torbin killing himself for no reason and the Jedi being bad guys are contradictory criticisms, but they're not, mostly because Torbin didn't do anything wrong.
As for the mother, he wasn't suggesting that she was lying. He was asking why she waited that long to say that she was going to let Osha leave.
As for not needing to hear someone's reason for killing your mother, that's neglecting the context.
Actually, I posted it mainly because I wanted to share the opening bit, which I found funny. The rest of the video was secondary, but it did a good or better job of explaining things that I've criticized, so it seemed worthwhile. It also seemed relevant, since you were discussing whether this is the worst SW show, though I didn't intent for you to watch it. It was for people who already agreed with me. Anyways, it seems hypocritical to suggest that you'd never feel the need to constantly go against something or repeat yourself when you're always putting down SW and its fans and repeating things like "SW isn't high art" and "not my Jedi!"Well, if you don't see anything wrong with the tenacity, I guess it's me. Just that you needed to post this video which only repeats stuff you've been saying for weeks feels weird to me. Or maybe you think it's confirmation. I don't understand the motivation, but I just would never feel the need to constantly go against a film/series/artist I thought was bad. Ok, it's not your cup of tea and you said it, no need to launch a cult.
I don't understand how you can be opposed to people calling it bad writing when you don't think that it's good writing. That seems like objecting to something that you halfway agree with.Of course it doesn't prove that the writing is good. Please don't think that's my intention. It's a SW show, of course the writing isn't good, of course it's not high art. It's not completely formulaic, and that's part of the problem for many. Quite a few things I thought were rushed. I'm just saying it's not really worse than most of these shows.
I know that he didn't say that she was lying. You did, which is why I said that he didn't say that. I agree that there was reason for her to withhold that information, but withholding it and then making him feel bad for not knowing it is, arguably, gaslighting.He didn't say lying. He said gaslighting. There's no reason for her to tell him she was going to let Osha leave as they attacked the convent without discussing it.
This isn't about what I or you would do (though I doubt that you'd actually kill the person). It's about what Osha would do and what's in character for her.I know nothing of your relationship to your mother, so I won't question this. The list of people I'd hear before going apesh*t on them is void.
I thought it was on the level of Andor, Kenobi, and Ahsoka. The only show that’s really knocked it out of the park, for me, is The Mandalorian. And that’s just S1 and S2. The rest are good, but not great. Book of Boba Fett was decent, but not quite good.
A lot of people rank Andor higher, but there was too much dullness in it for me to put it into that top tier.
I've been thinking about this and it makes you wonder why the four Jedi didn't just wipe their own memories of the incident. That would've erased their guilt and they wouldn't have had to lie about it and risk other Jedi sensing it. Torbin, especially, wouldn't have had to shut himself out from the world for 10 years and then kill himself over it. Some might theorize that only Qimir could mind wipe, but there's a line in the second episode in which he says to Sol (paraphrasing) "you're not going to wipe my mind or whatever it is you Jedi do, are you?", which establishes that the Jedi can do it.Also memory wipe?
wtf. Why not just memory wipe someone while in battle. They can forget about dueling… mid duel! Force Alzheimer’s! U don’t even have to kill them after because they’ve got a memory of a child! I mean seemed to wipe Mae’s memory as easy as waving a flag. Shit why not just memory wipe the entire Jedi order! Problem solved, Jedi don’t know they a Jedi no mo
That's part of the problem. We all saw SW when we were kids. Nothing they do with the franchise today can impress on us as strongly.I’ll never see Star Wars with the same wonder as I did as a kid, or be in awe of a villain like Darth Vader ever again.
It's the same with any franchise. Star Trek and Indiana Jones will never impress us like they once did, either. Alien and Halloween will never scare us like they once did. I think that every fan knows that. We don't expect the same experience that we had when we were younger, but it would be nice for new iterations to at least be good, honor the originals and remind us of what we liked about them in the first place. That's not that high of a bar, but studios repeatedly fail to reach it, anyways.That's part of the problem. We all saw SW when we were kids. Nothing they do with the franchise today can impress on us as strongly.
The more that I think about it, the more that I wonder if the way to save the IP might be to just re-cast Luke, Han and Leia and adapt Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy into the sequel trilogy that we all wanted in the 90s. That and other post-RotJ exploits of our three original heroes is one major area that hasn't been exploited yet, since Lucas wasted the opportunity by waiting too long and then making the prequels. After that, more movies and shows (perhaps drawing from other EU content) could follow them as they age, get stronger in the Force and raise their kids, until the franchise is eventually handed over to the kids. The Disney sequel trilogy wouldn't even necessarily have to be de-canonized, at least not until the new actors are old, themselves. I doubt that Disney would go in such a direction, since they seem determined to move on from Lucas' Star Wars and re-shape it to their liking, and I have no confidence in their execution even if they did, but it's a possible way forward.I'm not sure what you can really do with this IP. It's been fully exploited already. Maybe it wasn't worth 4B. Even Andor is a spinoff of a spinoff.
Ya I think Andor is decent, but all the over the top love for a show that is like the Seinfield of Star Wars (lot of nothing going on), makes me roll my eyes.
I’ll never see Star Wars with the same wonder as I did as a kid, or be in awe of a villain like Darth Vader ever again.
But that’s ok with me.
My theory is they will hit on some shows and miss on some, but if they make a bad show IMHO like say, BOBF, it’s not going to somehow ruin my youthful experience with Star Wars.
I know there are hardcore fans like my bro, who lost his mind when Chewbacca got killed by a moon, and take this stuff seriously.
I get that, and we all have a right to like what we do, but that doesn’t stop me from laughing at my bro’s anger over something I’m not that invested in.
“Oh no not Chewy…anyway…”
Recasting Luke, Han and Leia could indeed be a good idea... or they could just go the animation route. Their best content since 2005 have mostly been animated. Heck, I'd go as far as 1983It's the same with any franchise. Star Trek and Indiana Jones will never impress us like they once did, either. Alien and Halloween will never scare us like they once did. I think that every fan knows that. We don't expect the same experience that we had when we were younger, but it would be nice for new iterations to at least be good, honor the originals and remind us of what we liked about them in the first place. That's not that high of a bar, but studios repeatedly fail to reach it, anyways.
The more that I think about it, the more that I wonder if the way to save the IP might be to just re-cast Luke, Han and Leia and adapt Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy into the sequel trilogy that we all wanted in the 90s. That and other post-RotJ exploits of our three original heroes is one major area that hasn't been exploited yet, since Lucas wasted the opportunity by waiting too long and then making the prequels. After that, more movies and shows (perhaps drawing from other EU content) could follow them as they age, get stronger in the Force and raise their kids, until the franchise is eventually handed over to the kids. The Disney sequel trilogy wouldn't even need to be de-canonized, at least not until the new actors are old, themselves. I doubt that Disney would go in such a direction, since they seem determined to move on from Lucas' Star Wars and re-shape it to their liking, and I have no confidence in their execution even if they did, but it's a possible way forward.
The ratings have been going down. People have been watching less and less.If people keep watching to see how bad they are it won't really matter because ratings are ratings.
Sebastian Stan could easily be Luke. Billy Lourde as Leia and of course Alden Ehrenreich as HanRecasting Luke, Han and Leia could indeed be a good idea... or they could just go the animation route. Their best content since 2005 have mostly been animated. Heck, I'd go as far as 1983![]()
Hopefully this means there won't be a second season.The ratings have been going down. People have been watching less and less.
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That's what I meant by spiraling... There's not a single lamentation in this video that hasn't been posted in this thread already and that didn't appeared previously in lamentations in my FB feed - but for some reason you all need to keep going at it. Anyway, it's a pretty poor "essay" as the strongest arguments are "shit writing", "high-school level writing incompetence", "garbage writing" and "dogshit writing" (I'm sure I skipped a few other compelling ideas). It's like there was a single right way of writing something, and that this guy knew about it, but wouldn't explain it either. He bases most of his whining on the character's reactions to Sol murdering the mother, which to him are illogical (except for the wookie, who seems to act accordingly to things that were already put in place before - the right SW way of doing things, repetition?). I have zero problem with any of these reactions - especially the lame Jedi going into silence and killing himself. On one hand, fans are like "he killed himself for no reason, had no reason to feel such guilt", etc., and on the other are like "this show is trash for making the Jedi liars and doubtful and bad guys" (in other words: Not my Jedi!).
So maybe Torbin just agreed and couldn't stand the Jedi to be corrupt. Y'all sound like you'd die over it too! Now, that this guy, who was very lame to begin with, became a master in what seems to be a very short time, despite the guilt he maybe was already feeling, that seems a bit of a stretch, but it's not really part of this show. As for his other complaints, I do think the mother was going to let Sol have Osha, don't think she was lying, and I don't think "lol" proves she was. I also don't think you need to hear someone's reason for killing your mother. These are certainly not proofs of "dogshit writing".
Anyway, I'm sure someone who uses the word "pathetic" as he does and who considers people who might have liked the show not having "standards" (pathetic and narrative "standards" should not be used close to another from hardcore SW fans) will NOT be watching season 2 if it ever comes out.![]()
Finally got around to watching the finale.
I wont repeat the same flaws everyone else has mentioned. Dont feel the need to.
This show had some pretty cool fighting scenes. It was also kinda cool seeing a crystal bleed in live action even if there was some flaws in the process.
I dont know much about or anything about Plagueis but it doesnt kinda stink having a character like that show up in a mediocre at best show like this.
I really hope this show doesnt get a S2. Ratings show us why it shouldnt and hopefully Disney is smart enough.
Show kinda lost its interesting plot points after the "mystery" between Osha and Mae and what happened in Brendor was shown.
Heres to hoping in The Skeleton Crew.
Meh