Online Series: Star Wars Andor on D+

[kingsfan28]

Syril is spiraling. At this point he's going to be involved in Dedra's undoing. Some part of me is still trying to root for him to pull his shit together, but that's not where his arc is heading.

He went full fanatic/stalker mode. First time you see Dedra crack and she tries to pull it of like she's in control, but she's not. Syril is going to end up in the outer rim passing out pay vochers to conscripted workers with a GONK droid . That will be the final shot in season 1,

 

[kingsfan28]

I love how this show is potraying the Empire. Other than RO, and a good number of the Legends EU, none of the other movies or shows have done a great job at portraying the Empire as a competent, serious, evil threat.

Because there's no action to drive home the point. It works in this form because they can take 4-7 min drawing out the scene, where the movies you get a small hint, then bang... space battle. If they did this with any of the movies, it would be the first thing cut and you'd see it as a deleted scene.

 

[Hivemind]

I look forward to the shit storm when they realize they had Andor in custody all along.

The other shoe is Cassian hasn’t rolled over on Luther to save his own ass.

I'm not sure if they ever find that out (aside of maybe like a quip from Cassian during a showdown with Dedra or something), although I do also look forward to that shit storm if they do.

Cassian can't roll over on Luthen, because he doesn't know a whole lot about Luthen. He knows enough to help point the ISB towards him, but not enough to get the attention of a random local Shoretrooper, prison warden, or constable. All he could say is basically "hey, there's this guy who gave me a khyber crystal that I think you want." Anything past that and he would be revealing his involvement in Aldhani, which would be signing his own death warrant.

 

[Hasbro]

Luthen.

Autocorrect

 

[Osprey]

Syril is going to end up in the outer rim passing out pay vochers to conscripted workers with a GONK droid . That will be the final shot in season 1,

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The prison looks very THX 1138 ish. It must be on purpose... and I love it.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Kudos to the showrunner(s) for writing Vel and Mon Mothma well. Unless I missed something, I'm pretty certain Vel has completely cut off her true Rebel persona from Mothma, likely to give her true deniability. If she doesn't know anything, she can't reveal anything under torture or other methods.

This show is truly something special.

I love Filoni, but Gilroy is mega impressing here; along with the various Directors and writers. Please hire these guys full-time.

What I WOULD LOVE to see is Filoni's ability to create awesome Star Wars moments, and his deep knowledge of SW lore, mixed with Gilroy's unceremonious brutality of a world under the thumb of facism, where each episode is a slow burn driven by character drama.

Maybe we'll get this in Ashoka? Thrawn is obviously the big bad in that, and Thrawn, at least the OG Thrawn (Haven't read the new books) is patient, cunning, and a very likeable character that doesn't share a lot of the same views of the Empire, but enough (For different reasons) that it makes sense as to why he's working with them.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Kudos to the showrunner(s) for writing Vel and Mon Mothma well. Unless I missed something, I'm pretty certain Vel has completely cut off her true Rebel persona from Mothma, likely to give her true deniability. If she doesn't know anything, she can't reveal anything under torture or other methods.

This show is truly something special.

I love Filoni, but Gilroy is mega impressing here; along with the various Directors and writers. Please hire these guys full-time.

What I WOULD LOVE to see is Filoni's ability to create awesome Star Wars moments, and his deep knowledge of SW lore, mixed with Gilroy's unceremonious brutality of a world under the thumb of facism, where each episode is a slow burn driven by character drama.

Maybe we'll get this in Ashoka? Thrawn is obviously the big bad in that, and Thrawn, at least the OG Thrawn (Haven't read the new books) is patient, cunning, and a very likeable character that doesn't share a lot of the same views of the Empire, but enough (For different reasons) that it makes sense as to why he's working with them.

The genius of Andor is that it does not feel like Star Wars at all... yet it does.

 

[Jussi]

Kudos to the showrunner(s) for writing Vel and Mon Mothma well. Unless I missed something, I'm pretty certain Vel has completely cut off her true Rebel persona from Mothma, likely to give her true deniability. If she doesn't know anything, she can't reveal anything under torture or other methods.

This show is truly something special.

I love Filoni, but Gilroy is mega impressing here; along with the various Directors and writers. Please hire these guys full-time.

What I WOULD LOVE to see is Filoni's ability to create awesome Star Wars moments, and his deep knowledge of SW lore, mixed with Gilroy's unceremonious brutality of a world under the thumb of facism, where each episode is a slow burn driven by character drama.

Maybe we'll get this in Ashoka? Thrawn is obviously the big bad in that, and Thrawn, at least the OG Thrawn (Haven't read the new books) is patient, cunning, and a very likeable character that doesn't share a lot of the same views of the Empire, but enough (For different reasons) that it makes sense as to why he's working with them.

Filoni's specialty is character development and world building with worlds that have not been properly built. He's managed to make sense of the prequels, built up Mandalore into a world that I can easily see being re-visited in a live action series in a Game Of Thrones style with all the various clans ("Clans Of Mandalore" feel free to use it, Filoni!), made Ahsoka from an annoying padawan into one of the most likeable in all of SW. He's somehow making the sequel trilogy world more understandable with The Mandalorian. If he and the Gilroys got together to do a post-sequel trilogy or even post-OT series, I think we might get something spectacular.

I wonder if they could get Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie going?

 

[Jussi]

The genius of Andor is that it does not feel like Star Wars at all... yet it does.

Quoting John Campea a bit but Andor feels like an HBO Max show.

 

[Hivemind]

Filoni is basically George Lucas 2.0. They have the passion and heart of Star Wars ingrained in them, but they need others to help steer and focus that energy. They need people who can say "No" to their worst temptations. That was missing on the prequel trilogy, and the results suffered. It's been missing on some of Filoni's various projects as well. Left unchecked, Filoni tends to bend to some of the same vices as Lucas (over-explaining backgrounds that don't need it, constantly shoehorning familiar characters into new plots/settings/timelines, use of exposition/dialogue dumps rather than showing the audience, etc). Hell, he even introduced time travel into Star Wars canon when he was left unchecked (and even that was a result of his attachment to his characters). He needs other voices in the room with him.

Lucas needed Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner to make The Empire Strikes Back. Favreau has been an effective partner to Filoni. Maybe Tony Gilroy could be the third part of that creative force for the new era of Star Wars.

 

[MadDevil]

I love Andor but I'm not sure a Voltron of Favreau/Filoni/Gilroy would work. I think part of why this show works is that Gilroy really doesn't care about the rest of Star Wars. He cares about this little Rogue One universe and is focused on that. He's not trying to bring big name characters in the way Filoni does. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Filoni fan, but he does have a tendency to make the universe smaller (like the master he learned from).

There's enough room in Star Wars for both the more family friendly Mandoverse shows and the more adult oriented shows like Andor. I think it might be best to let Favreau/Filoni do their thing and let Gilroy do his thing.

 

[Jussi]

I love Andor but I'm not sure a Voltron of Favreau/Filoni/Gilroy would work. I think part of why this show works is that Gilroy really doesn't care about the rest of Star Wars. He cares about this little Rogue One universe and is focused on that. He's not trying to bring big name characters in the way Filoni does. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Filoni fan, but he does have a tendency to make the universe smaller (like the master he learned from).

There's enough room in Star Wars for both the more family friendly Mandoverse shows and the more adult oriented shows like Andor. I think it might be best to let Favreau/Filoni do their thing and let Gilroy do his thing.

He literally said that he wants to make the universe smaller on the Disney Gallery episode of The Book Of Boba Fett.

 

[sigma six]

Anyone guess what it is they're making on the prison shop floor? I got probe droid vibes from it right away, may be wrong though.

Anyway, I just love this show. It's exactly what I needed; the Empire at the height of its dominance, with their boot on the whole galaxy's neck and how the rebels scrape by trying to get a cohesive opposition together. And the street-level view of it all is the cherry on top, not that I don't also enjoy the Senate scenes but this would be a good show even set outside of SW.

 

[LarKing]

Okay I’m actually ready to enlist and fight the empire after that last episode. Holy shit I’m heated. This is the best Star Wars since the OT for me. Truly a masterpiece. I work with victims of what happened to you know who quote a bit and man that had me shook.

If you need me I’ll be off fighting the empire.

 

[Hivemind]

I love Andor but I'm not sure a Voltron of Favreau/Filoni/Gilroy would work. I think part of why this show works is that Gilroy really doesn't care about the rest of Star Wars. He cares about this little Rogue One universe and is focused on that. He's not trying to bring big name characters in the way Filoni does. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Filoni fan, but he does have a tendency to make the universe smaller (like the master he learned from).

There's enough room in Star Wars for both the more family friendly Mandoverse shows and the more adult oriented shows like Andor. I think it might be best to let Favreau/Filoni do their thing and let Gilroy do his thing.

I just want someone in the room with Filoni who's willing to say "No, that's f***ing stupid" every now and then when Filoni gets too Lucas-y. Given Gilroy's indifference towards the Jedi and force mysticism of the Star Wars universe (beyond its impact on everyday life and faith), I figure he'd be a good person to help do that.

 

[Osprey]

I would welcome Filoni sticking to the animated content and Gilroy taking over the live action content. Those seem to be their strengths. I know that it won't happen, though, because Filoni's vision is much more aligned with Disney's and more profitable. I can't imagine Disney ever letting Gilroy have much say in the franchise's overall creative direction because downplaying "Star Wars," minimizing fan service and targeting adults, as he seems to prefer, don't grow the franchise and sell merchandise.

 

[Hasbro]

I just want someone in the room with Filoni who's willing to say "No, that's f***ing stupid" every now and then when Filoni gets too Lucas-y.

...and go back in time to kill JJ Abrams.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Quoting John Campea a bit but Andor feels like an HBO Max show.

Andor feels like Star Wars for adults, and I really dig that.

 

[Jussi]

Andor feels like Star Wars for adults, and I really dig that.

I think this show has proven that you can tell stories within the Star Wars universe for everyone.

 

[Hivemind]

For being "not a fan fan" of Star Wars- Tony Gilroy sure has no problem with putting in really subtle and fun details that appeal to Star Wars nerds while not taking more casual fans out of the moment. I'm not just talking about all the background Easter eggs (of which there are plenty), but his ability to re-create specific shots (the pan down a closing hatch to walking feet mimicking Leia's Ep4 interrogating scene), answer subtle questions ("how the heck do pilots get into TIE fighters when they dangle from the ceiling of the hangar bay?"), helping turn a throwaway line into a subtle meme, and generally creating a setting that truly feels like original trilogy Star Wars. That last part is the most important. Rogue One and Andor recreate details from the original trilogy faithfully (such as the interior of the TIE fighter cockpits), even re-use old EpIV footage, and creating new locales and backgrounds in a fashion that they fit organically into the OT Star Wars universe.

Obviously, this isn't all coming out of Tony Gilroy's brain directly. But he's definitely got people he's working with that he's willing to listen to in order to get this stuff "right." He cares enough about the universe to make his creates feel like a natural extension of Star Wars. I would at least be interested to see how he could counter-weight his create force against someone like Filoni's.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

For being "not a fan fan" of Star Wars- Tony Gilroy sure has no problem with putting in really subtle and fun details that appeal to Star Wars nerds while not taking more casual fans out of the moment. I'm not just talking about all the background Easter eggs (of which there are plenty), but his ability to re-create specific shots (the pan down a closing hatch to walking feet mimicking Leia's Ep4 interrogating scene), answer subtle questions ("how the heck do pilots get into TIE fighters when they dangle from the ceiling of the hangar bay?"), helping turn a throwaway line into a subtle meme, and generally creating a setting that truly feels like original trilogy Star Wars. That last part is the most important. Rogue One and Andor recreate details from the original trilogy faithfully (such as the interior of the TIE fighter cockpits), even re-use old EpIV footage, and creating new locales and backgrounds in a fashion that they fit organically into the OT Star Wars universe.

Obviously, this isn't all coming out of Tony Gilroy's brain directly. But he's definitely got people he's working with that he's willing to listen to in order to get this stuff "right." He cares enough about the universe to make his creates feel like a natural extension of Star Wars. I would at least be interested to see how he could counter-weight his create force against someone like Filoni's.

Otaking already did this, and it seems like they may have imitated his work, which is amazing. Hopefully Disney uses more of his ideas.

 

[Osprey]

Nicholas Meyer had never seen an episode of Star Trek when he was hired to write and direct Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. He later said, "The chief contribution I brought to Star Trek II was a healthy disrespect ... Star Trek was human allegory in a space format. That was both its strength and, ultimately, its weakness. I tried through irreverence to make them more human and a little less wooden. I didn't insist that Captain Kirk go to the bathroom, but did Star Trek have to be so sanctified?" Most fans agree that ST II is the best of all of the films and many who don't instead believe that it's ST VI, which was also directed by Meyer.

Tony Gilroy seems to be kind of doing the same thing for Star Wars. He's more of an outsider with his own vision, who doesn't mind if it feels disconnected from other shows and movies. He doesn't seem interested in overloading it with familiarity to prove how much he gets Star Wars and pander to fans. He also seems to prefer characters that aren't so black and white, with heroes in this who aren't so holy (ex. Cassian kills without pause) and villains who aren't so evil (ex. Syril is just a guy trying to do his job). It's refreshing and he and Meyer seem to prove that the best person for a job isn't necessarily the biggest fan.

 

[Osprey]

Andor Audience Demand Now Near Mandalorian Levels According To Study

Is Andor benefiting from strong word-of-mouth?

screenrant.com

Now, a new study by Parrot Analytics, finds that Andor's audience demand is slowly growing, with the show now on equal footing to The Mandalorian. The firm calculates demand by using a propriety system that gathers data from numerous sources, including social media chatter, search traffic, blogs, and more. The study, which has taken data into account from October 15-21, reveals that Andor's audience demand is now 34.1 times the demand for the average TV show, with The Mandalorian following closely behind at 34 times.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think this show has proven that you can tell stories within the Star Wars universe for everyone.

If only they used this team for the Obi-Wan series, instead of some writers they hired for $5 on Fiverr.