Player Discussion: Stanley

[fmrdh]

Not a huge +/- guy but Stanley has been +1 in all 3 playoff games thus far and was on the ice for both OT winners and had the primary assist on the winner in game 1.

Not bad at all

 

[DuckyGirard]

I know we loathe to do the Chara comparison but it took him quite a while to start producing in the NHL. Of course, he has a long way to go to become a Chara but this shows that there is precedent for it.

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Never realized he had so few points per game to be honest. But it must be said, Chara's points went up right when chara was around Stanleys current age.

That being said, I think Stanley's shot on net may never go anywhere, but he might make a fabulous play maker as he really does have the high IQ.

 

[DuckyGirard]

Not a huge +/- guy but Stanley has been +1 in all 3 playoff games thus far and was on the ice for both OT winners and had the primary assist on the winner in game 1.

Not bad at all

For me personally I use the sphincter clench metric. When he's next to the net it relaxes. When I see it's forbort I clinch hard.

 

[Whileee]

Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.

As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.

Not really true. In his last year of Junior, Stanley was among the OHL D leaders in even strength points per game. He just didn't get many PP opportunities in junior. Statistical analyses have shown that even strength points in junior are more predictive of NHL scoring rates for defensemen than total points, which are inflated by junior PP production. Also, Stanley had 16 even strength points as an AHL rookie, which isn't bad for a rookie D.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I know we loathe to do the Chara comparison but it took him quite a while to start producing in the NHL. Of course, he has a long way to go to become a Chara but this shows that there is precedent for it.

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Chars has never been a big pint producer.

 

[ps241]

Samberg?

yea I meant on the current roster. Samberg will be a nice addition.

 

[Jet]

Chars has never been a big pint producer.

Yeah but a 40-45 point guy who's a rock defensively is a huge plus

 

[KingBogo]

You gotta think Big Logan has cemented his status as the 3rd defenseman kept by the Jets after Morrissey and Pionk, no?

I've been arguing for over a month now that the Jets protect Stanley, and then try and make a deal with Seattle to protect DeMelo.

 

[tbone1968]

I've been arguing for over a month now that the Jets protect Stanley, and then try and make a deal with Seattle to protect DeMelo.

Agree Bogo. No way he is going anywhere except the 2 LHD spot next year.

 

[ps241]

Yeah but a 40-45 point guy who's a rock defensively is a huge plus

it will be interesting to see Chara got to the next level when he was 25 and he got 39 points in 72 games. The main thing that happened was he joined the power play and he started getting about half his points on the PP.

Oleksiak is an interesting comp. He was really productive in his D +1 season after he got traded to Saginaw. In his D+2 he was promoted to the AHL and had a productive year with 33 points in 59 GP and he got a cup of coffee with the Stars at the end of that season. After that Jamie spent the next 3 seasons between Texas and Dallas as a tweener. He also seemed to battle some injuries for a couple of seasons. He became a full time stars player in 2016-17 which was his draft +6 season. In 17-18 and 18-19 he was traded too Pittsburgh and then back to Dallas and that’s when it seemed like he jumped into a solid top 4 D asset. So he kind of started to get it together when he was 25-26. He has never been a PP guy so he tends to get about 15 points a season.

Mostly Oleksiak has really rounded into a good top 4 D man who has solid defensive impact.


I guess both these guys support the assertion it can take a bit longer for really tall guys to find their way although Myers was the opposite. Logan turns 23 in two days and if we assume he continues to progress like some of the other 6’7” guys the team can afford to be very patient with him.

 

[Adam da bomb]

it will be interesting to see Chara got to the next level when he was 25 and he got 39 points in 72 games. The main thing that happened was he joined the power play and he started getting about half his points on the PP.

Oleksiak is an interesting comp. He was really productive in his D +1 season after he got traded to Saginaw. In his D+2 he was promoted to the AHL and had a productive year with 33 points in 59 GP and he got a cup of coffee with the Stars at the end of that season. After that Jamie spent the next 3 seasons between Texas and Dallas as a tweener. He also seemed to battle some injuries for a couple of seasons. He became a full time stars player in 2016-17 which was his draft +6 season. In 17-18 and 18-19 he was traded too Pittsburgh and then back to Dallas and that’s when it seemed like he jumped into a solid top 4 D asset. So he kind of started to get it together when he was 25-26. He has never been a PP guy so he tends to get about 15 points a season.

Mostly Oleksiak has really rounded into a good top 4 D man who has solid defensive impact.


I guess both these guys support the assertion it can take a bit longer for really tall guys to find their way although Myers was the opposite. Logan turns 23 in two days and if we assume he continues to progress like some of the other 6’7” guys the team can afford to be very patient with him.

Yep. Stanley even if he could develop well and has that potential he shouldn’t be on pp over Heinola or Pionk so isn’t being set up to get chances at the offense.
But so far he has been passing his new test of playoffs with flying colours.

 

[Roughneck1]

I've been arguing for over a month now that the Jets protect Stanley, and then try and make a deal with Seattle to protect DeMelo.

The thing is, is Demelo a better pick for Vegas then Copp or Appleton. The way things are setup right now one of these is getting exposed. I don’t I pick Demelo. Don’t think Seattle will either. Look every team will lose a player or probably a first and a bad player then. Lise the player and move on. Don’t give em what Vegas got.

 

[jgimp]

The thing is, is Demelo a better pick for Vegas then Copp or Appleton. The way things are setup right now one of these is getting exposed. I don’t I pick Demelo. Don’t think Seattle will either. Look every team will lose a player or probably a first and a bad player then. Lise the player and move on. Don’t give em what Vegas got.

Agree, protect who you expect to be part of the core long term and just accept the loss of whoever

 

[Adam da bomb]

Agree, protect who you expect to be part of the core long term and just accept the loss of whoever

To protect a late 1st?

 

[Channelcat]

The thing is, is Demelo a better pick for Vegas then Copp or Appleton. The way things are setup right now one of these is getting exposed. I don’t I pick Demelo. Don’t think Seattle will either. Look every team will lose a player or probably a first and a bad player then. Lise the player and move on. Don’t give em what Vegas got.

DeMelo is replaceable. I'd be ecstatic if that's all we lost

 

[jgimp]

To protect a late 1st?

The first was mentioned in the previous post as a way for teams to get rid of someone they didn’t want or who was terrible. I was just saying protect the core and just accept that we are going to lose a guy. That said, I have a theory of how Chevy is approaching this so maybe I’m not as concerned as some

 

[irunthepeg]

It's amazing how much of a step this kid has taken. I fully admit I was not a fan at the time of the pick and everything shown at the AHL level did not seem like he would really ever make an impact on the Jets, but by all accounts he's taken his shot and completely run with it and I respect that, a lot. The thing I most often see about him is he knows his skills and his weaknesses and doesn't try to be more than he is and that's what makes him good. What's funny is normally I'd see a young d-man out there in an OT game and think "shit, please don't screw up" but when Big Stan was on the ice, I never felt uncomfortable.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The first was mentioned in the previous post as a way for teams to get rid of someone they didn’t want or who was terrible. I was just saying protect the core and just accept that we are going to lose a guy. That said, I have a theory of how Chevy is approaching this so maybe I’m not as concerned as some

I’d give our 1st if 22nd on to get rid of boo boo.

 

[jgimp]

I’d give our 1st if 22nd on to get rid of boo boo.

But why? It’s not like we need the cap space next year. His cap hit isn’t much and I would rather just trade him for a 7th or waive him after camp next year, or bury him on the moose

 

[Daximus]

I’d give our 1st if 22nd on to get rid of boo boo.

You'd give a first to get rid of 1 year of a $1.250m contract? That's crazy.

 

[jgimp]

You'd give a first to get rid of 1 year of a $1.250m contract? That's crazy.

Some of these XD proposals just make me scratch my head

 

[jorbjorb]

Stanley continues to impress me.

 

[Jet]

At first I was in favor of exposing Stanley over Demelo because Demelo is something the Jets can't afford to lose. However, with Stanley's rise, I am resigned to the fact that it has to be Dylan.

I still think the Kraken get Apples.

 

[DannyGallivan]

At first I was in favor of exposing Stanley over Demelo because Demelo is something the Jets can't afford to lose. However, with Stanley's rise, I am resigned to the fact that it has to be Dylan.

I still think the Kraken get Apples.

If Demelo goes, well we still have Heinola who will likely play most if not all of next season. Then there's those Samberg and Chisholm guys.

If Appleton goes... we have Perfetti who will be ready for prime time next season. Plus, I always thought that Harkens had the talent to play on the third line and be productive, before Appleton overtook him. Gustaffson had good numbers with the Moose as well (can he play wing?)

 

[Jet]

If Demelo goes, well we still have Heinola who will likely play most if not all of next season. Then there's those Samberg and Chisholm guys.

If Appleton goes... we have Perfetti who will be ready for prime time next season. Plus, I always thought that Harkens had the talent to play on the third line and be productive, before Appleton overtook him. Gustaffson had good numbers with the Moose as well (can he play wing?)

None of those guys replace Demelo though. If we are going with Heinola and Stanley + potentially another rookie next season on the backend that is a rebuild and I don't think the Jets are doing that.

Its more likely that we trade for an established guy or get one in free agency.