Player Discussion: Stanley

[LowLefty]

Put him on the PP -
He can pass and he can shoot - I know he shoots better than anyone we have out there now and he probably can pass the puck as well as either of them.
I want to see him tee a few up from back there - and he'll get his points so that we don't have to discuss his offensive potential anymore
Based on his progress this year, I wonder how he'll look in 3 yrs?

 

[voyageur]

Put him on the PP -
He can pass and he can shoot - I know he shoots better than anyone we have out there now and he probably can pass the puck as well as either of them.
I want to see him tee a few up from back there - and he'll get his points so that we don't have to discuss his offensive potential anymore
Based on his progress this year, I wonder how he'll look in 3 yrs?

That will be an interesting decision when the time comes. Back when we still had Buff there was talk that Josh should be PP1, now that he is PP1, there's a chance he may eventually get bumped from the PP. Pionk is a fixture for the PP, and Heinola this year ran the Moose, so he's in line.

Stanley had some PP experience with the Moose, but I'd be surprised to see him get in, because skating is still important on the PP, you can't let pucks get by you, and if you do, you should have the speed to recover.

I was surprised to see him out on PK2, in Morrissey's place, in a playoff game. Especially a scoreless one. He's hardly taken any reps during the season. I'd say that is his future, as a bigger, physical player, with long reach. I think he will start to get the points too, as he moves up in icetime.

A top 4, potential 30 point defenseman, seems like something within reason for the Big Man.

 

[buggs]

Who is a comparable for this kid? People say Chara (because of his height) but that seems silly - too high a bar.

Does he have much offensive upside?

Very valid question. Offensive upside? No, not really, not yet. Will it come in time? Maybe, maybe not. So long term contract is silly at this point, as are comparisons to Chara. He's young, he has potential. He's certainly exceeded early expectations. He's been largely sheltered in his role thus far and is only playing 3rd pairing for the moment. But his play in the playoffs has been yet another surprise from the young man. He's playing heavy and hard, his reach is working and he isn't getting blown away by the likes of McDrai. That alone is damn impressive no question.

I don't really think he has a suitable comparable. Chara is a really, really high ceiling and unlikely. Tyler Myers? Hasn't shown the offense Myers did in his rookie season nor even in his later seasons. But he seems to hit more and better than Myers. Myers as a Jet was certainly more offensively competent but I don't think Stanley is all that far behind in defensive side (though still sheltered). That may or may not be a complement.

I honestly think the kid is playing exactly as he's being told to play, so what he's capable of isn't yet on display. He's still young so a bridge seems smart money and you go from there. Forecast ceiling isn't Chara but if he becomes a real solid second pairing that can eat PK minutes, well, what a win for the Jets. Time will tell.

 

[ps241]

Very valid question. Offensive upside? No, not really, not yet. Will it come in time? Maybe, maybe not. So long term contract is silly at this point, as are comparisons to Chara. He's young, he has potential. He's certainly exceeded early expectations. He's been largely sheltered in his role thus far and is only playing 3rd pairing for the moment. But his play in the playoffs has been yet another surprise from the young man. He's playing heavy and hard, his reach is working and he isn't getting blown away by the likes of McDrai. That alone is damn impressive no question.

I don't really think he has a suitable comparable. Chara is a really, really high ceiling and unlikely. Tyler Myers? Hasn't shown the offense Myers did in his rookie season nor even in his later seasons. But he seems to hit more and better than Myers. Myers as a Jet was certainly more offensively competent but I don't think Stanley is all that far behind in defensive side (though still sheltered). That may or may not be a complement.

I honestly think the kid is playing exactly as he's being told to play, so what he's capable of isn't yet on display. He's still young so a bridge seems smart money and you go from there. Forecast ceiling isn't Chara but if he becomes a real solid second pairing that can eat PK minutes, well, what a win for the Jets. Time will tell.

Nice to see a grounded post on Stan. The pendulum has sure swung hasn’t it.

He has exceeded my expectations at this point for sure. It’s tough when all 6’7” D men get compared? What do Tyler Myers and Chara have in common other than height? Honestly they are totally different hockey players.


There was only one Buff. There is only one Chara. Those guys were both total unicorns and there will never be another one of them.

Stanley has taken a big jump this season but he wasn’t full time, he was sheltered heavily early, and he played and still plays bottom pairing.

His strength for me still remains his puck movement, passing accuracy, and vision up ice. He seems to “feel” his options well and that is his most promising trait. He has the size and the tools to add physicality and he’s bringing it in the playoffs which is great. He was a bit hit and miss with this element during the season.

He loves to shoot the puck and his shot is pretty heavy so those are promising signs but I doubt PP is in his future.

For now I would say his progress is directionally correct and if the org chooses to protect him in the expansion draft then some form of a bridge makes sense. He will most likely never put up big points and he needs to slot in cap wise at his replacement level. Summary we don’t need to get ahead of ourselves.

Keep up the good work Logan I would love it if he could play “well” in our top 4 one day. Good kid that has worked hard and has earned his opportunity.

 

[GJF]

The only player I know of that kind of fits is Parayko. I don't see much of Buff or Chara. Before I'd mention those two, I'd lean more towards Hedman

 

[jgimp]

Who is a comparable for this kid? People say Chara (because of his height) but that seems silly - too high a bar.

Does he have much offensive upside?

If he’s half of what Chara was I’d be very pleased

 

[DannyGallivan]

Very valid question. Offensive upside? No, not really, not yet. Will it come in time? Maybe, maybe not. So long term contract is silly at this point, as are comparisons to Chara. He's young, he has potential. He's certainly exceeded early expectations. He's been largely sheltered in his role thus far and is only playing 3rd pairing for the moment. But his play in the playoffs has been yet another surprise from the young man. He's playing heavy and hard, his reach is working and he isn't getting blown away by the likes of McDrai. That alone is damn impressive no question.

I don't really think he has a suitable comparable. Chara is a really, really high ceiling and unlikely. Tyler Myers? Hasn't shown the offense Myers did in his rookie season nor even in his later seasons. But he seems to hit more and better than Myers. Myers as a Jet was certainly more offensively competent but I don't think Stanley is all that far behind in defensive side (though still sheltered). That may or may not be a complement.

I honestly think the kid is playing exactly as he's being told to play, so what he's capable of isn't yet on display. He's still young so a bridge seems smart money and you go from there. Forecast ceiling isn't Chara but if he becomes a real solid second pairing that can eat PK minutes, well, what a win for the Jets. Time will tell.

Chara's rookie season with the Islanders, he played 25 games and had one assist for one point and a plus one. The following season, he played 59 games with two goals and six assists for eight points and a minus 8. In his first playoffs (five years later when he was a Senator), Chara had one assist in 10 games.

Stanley, in his first 37 games, had one goal and three assists for four points and was a plus 13. In his first playoffs so far, Stanley has one assist in two games and is a plus two.

Take these stats for what you will, but it's clear that Chara' offensive upside didn't appear until about five or six seasons into his career and that Stanley has already shown a similar or superior offensive game at about the same time in his career. Who's to say that Stanley won't be at the same level or further along offensively at the point when Chara hit his peak? The only caveat is that Stanley plays on a better team than Chara did in his rookie season.

Personally, I've seen some really good things offense-wise in Stanley's game, while he still keeps his defensive responsibilities as the number one priority. He has perhaps the heaviest shot on the team, and his points will come.

 

[Adam da bomb]

It also depends on need. Jets will never develop Stan as a pp guy. We have Heinola and Pionk if we didn’t have those guys maybe. But, with those guys why?

 

[LowLefty]

Chara's rookie season with the Islanders, he played 25 games and had one assist for one point and a plus one. The following season, he played 59 games with two goals and six assists for eight points and a minus 8. In his first playoffs (five years later when he was a Senator), Chara had one assist in 10 games.

Stanley, in his first 37 games, had one goal and three assists for four points and was a plus 13. In his first playoffs so far, Stanley has one assist in two games and is a plus two.

Take these stats for what you will, but it's clear that Chara' offensive upside didn't appear until about five or six seasons into his career and that Stanley has already shown a similar or superior offensive game at about the same time in his career. Who's to say that Stanley won't be at the same level or further along offensively at the point when Chara hit his peak? The only caveat is that Stanley plays on a better team than Chara did in his rookie season.

Personally, I've seen some really good things offense-wise in Stanley's game, while he still keeps his defensive responsibilities as the number one priority. He has perhaps the heaviest shot on the team, and his points will come.

That's how I'd like to look at his future also -
He absolutely has the potential be another Chara - as per an earlier post, I'd like to see him 3 yrs from now - I think his growth over that period is going to surprise a lot of fans.

 

[jgimp]

It’s amazing that we have gone from such anger and disappointment with moving up to get Stanley, to where we are now with the Chara comparisons. Whether he makes it to that level or not, (Imo I expect him to peak at a solid #3/4 depending on who he’s partnered with), it’s refreshing to see him develop as well as he has, as well as humbling that maybe all these arm chair GMs maybe don’t know as much as NHL GMs and scouts. Good on Stanley for his drive and determination and, frankly, proving many wrong.

 

[LowLefty]

Nice to see a grounded post on Stan. The pendulum has sure swung hasn’t it.

He has exceeded my expectations at this point for sure. It’s tough when all 6’7” D men get compared? What do Tyler Myers and Chara have in common other than height? Honestly they are totally different hockey players.


There was only one Buff. There is only one Chara. Those guys were both total unicorns and there will never be another one of them.

Stanley has taken a big jump this season but he wasn’t full time, he was sheltered heavily early, and he played and still plays bottom pairing.

His strength for me still remains his puck movement, passing accuracy, and vision up ice. He seems to “feel” his options well and that is his most promising trait. He has the size and the tools to add physicality and he’s bringing it in the playoffs which is great. He was a bit hit and miss with this element during the season.

He loves to shoot the puck and his shot is pretty heavy so those are promising signs but I doubt PP is in his future.

For now I would say his progress is directionally correct and if the org chooses to protect him in the expansion draft then some form of a bridge makes sense. He will most likely never put up big points and he needs to slot in cap wise at his replacement level. Summary we don’t need to get ahead of ourselves.

Keep up the good work Logan I would love it if he could play “well” in our top 4 one day. Good kid that has worked hard and has earned his opportunity.

Some might call it grounded, some might call it less optimistic.
For a 22 yrs old rookie, he is projecting very well -

The fact that he is as cool under pressure as he is at this point in his career, is remarkable.
Honestly, he has everything I am looking for in a Jet Dman right now -
Big, strong, smart with the puck, passing very well / good vision, hard shot, and a good mix of grit in his game.

At the age of 22, he is already showing strength in all these areas - the fact that he is (or was) sheltered to an extent, as a 22 yr old rookie, is part of the process and it appears he's progressing beyond that already.

This guy has the potential to be our franchise Dman - this might be too optimistic for some and that's fine. No one's assuming anything here - it's all about speculation and possibilities. I see no point in grounding any of that.

 

[ps241]

Some might call it grounded, some might call it less optimistic.
For a 22 yrs old rookie, he is projecting very well -

The fact that he is as cool under pressure as he is at this point in his career, is remarkable.
Honestly, he has everything I am looking for in a Jet Dman right now -
Big, strong, smart with the puck, passing very well / good vision, hard shot, and a good mix of grit in his game.

At the age of 22, he is already showing strength in all these areas - the fact that he is (or was) sheltered to an extent, as a 22 yr old rookie, is part of the process and it appears he's progressing beyond that already.

This guy has the potential to be our franchise Dman - this might be too optimistic for some and that's fine. No one's assuming anything here - it's all about speculation and possibilities. I see no point in grounding any of that.

Well in a world where Ville Heinola is already better than Bobby Orr if he wasn’t being held back there is no reason other Jets fans can’t dream big. That sets the bar for optimism.

 

[TS Quint]

I like where Stanley is heading. Comparing him Chara is ridiculous and to Parayko is a stretch. Let's hope he becomes a 2nd pairing version of Oleksiak before we get to crazy here.

 

[LowLefty]

Well in a world where Ville Heinola is already better than Bobby Orr if he wasn’t being held back there is no reason other Jets fans can’t dream big. That sets the bar for optimism.

There is so much truth in that statement - I was going to use him as a comparable in how we view the future of our blueline but decided to leave it out. I'm one of those that is also in Ville's corner but if I had to choose, I take the the big, physical D man with the attributes I noted in my response earlier - especially when PO's come into play.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That's how I'd like to look at his future also -
He absolutely has the potential be another Chara - as per an earlier post, I'd like to see him 3 yrs from now - I think his growth over that period is going to surprise a lot of fans.

But who was Chara competing against on his team? I think it depends on how he is developed. If chara’s team early on didn’t have better pp players a team would be more willing to put up with growing pains. Teams were using 2 d on pp. This is not to say Stanley does or does not have potential to be a #3 on a team this is to point out it’s really hard to see a player in isolation. There are charts but they can only look at where a player is, not where they could be in an ideal situation.

 

[LowLefty]

I like where Stanley is heading. Comparing him Chara is ridiculous and to Parayko is a stretch. Let's hope he becomes a 2nd pairing version of Oleksiak before we get to crazy here.

Comparing players who have wrapped up their career to those that are just getting started, is ridiculous.

 

[DannyGallivan]

I like where Stanley is heading. Comparing him Chara is ridiculous and to Parayko is a stretch. Let's hope he becomes a 2nd pairing version of Oleksiak before we get to crazy here.

I like where he's headed as well. I think it's obvious that he's only going to get better. While it may be crazy to compare him to Chara, it's equally crazy to say it's an impossibility. Let's just enjoy the ride.

 

[Jet]

Nice to see a grounded post on Stan. The pendulum has sure swung hasn’t it.

He has exceeded my expectations at this point for sure. It’s tough when all 6’7” D men get compared? What do Tyler Myers and Chara have in common other than height? Honestly they are totally different hockey players.


There was only one Buff. There is only one Chara. Those guys were both total unicorns and there will never be another one of them.

Stanley has taken a big jump this season but he wasn’t full time, he was sheltered heavily early, and he played and still plays bottom pairing.

His strength for me still remains his puck movement, passing accuracy, and vision up ice. He seems to “feel” his options well and that is his most promising trait. He has the size and the tools to add physicality and he’s bringing it in the playoffs which is great. He was a bit hit and miss with this element during the season.

He loves to shoot the puck and his shot is pretty heavy so those are promising signs but I doubt PP is in his future.

For now I would say his progress is directionally correct and if the org chooses to protect him in the expansion draft then some form of a bridge makes sense. He will most likely never put up big points and he needs to slot in cap wise at his replacement level. Summary we don’t need to get ahead of ourselves.

Keep up the good work Logan I would love it if he could play “well” in our top 4 one day. Good kid that has worked hard and has earned his opportunity.

The one thing that makes me think 'Chara' is developmental track.

Chara was thought of as slow, uncoordinated, and dereft of offensive ability when he came into the league. He slowly improved all aspects of his game and layered in new abilities.

Stanley has shown smarts, calmness, a great reach, heavy shot, and good strength.

He has a long way to go to start earning a Chara comparison, but to me, it's not unrealistic to believe he has a shot at it.

I just hope the Jets don't consider him expendable like the isles did with Chara til we get a better sense of what his ceiling might be.

 

[WaveRaven]

If he turns out to be a solid defensive physical #4 or 5 I'd be happy. Sure maybe he could step up but this is big need for the organization.

 

[Jet]

If he turns out to be a solid defensive physical #4 or 5 I'd be happy. Sure maybe he could step up but this is big need for the organization.

I'd still love Mo to give him a shot with pionk on the second pair.

 

[ps241]

The one thing that makes me think 'Chara' is developmental track.

Chara was thought of as slow, uncoordinated, and dereft of offensive ability when he came into the league. He slowly improved all aspects of his game and layered in new abilities.

Stanley has shown smarts, calmness, a great reach, heavy shot, and good strength.

He has a long way to go to start earning a Chara comparison, but to me, it's not unrealistic to believe he has a shot at it.

I just hope the Jets don't consider him expendable like the isles did with Chara til we get a better sense of what his ceiling might be.

Two words to put your mind at ease.

Mike Milbury.

 

[Jack7222]

Stanley has shown smarts, calmness, a great reach, heavy shot, and good strength.

I've been really impressed by his poise, which you don't always see in bigger guys (ones who were drafted purely for their physicality, I guess). He never seems panicked, and he seems good at choosing the right angles and being on the right side of the play on the boards. He really does look like an intelligent player, which hopefully means that he's capable of adding more and more tools to his game.

 

[ps241]

I'd still love Mo to give him a shot with pionk on the second pair.

load up our two most physical D men on one pair.

 

[Jet]

load up our two most physical D men on one pair.

I was thinking more Stan less Forbort

 

[ps241]

I was thinking more Stan less Forbort

I could see that next season as injuries occur.