Player Discussion: Stanley

[DeepFrickinValue]

Two words to put your mind at ease.

Mike Milbury.

Wade Redden

 

[buggs]

load up our two most physical D men on one pair.

Samberg?

 

[surixon]

Stanley really doing a good job of cementing himself into that third pairing PK dmen that Moe likes.

I think he's done a nice job in his role and our third pairing is in a pretty good spot with him there next year imo.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Stanley really doing a good job of cementing himself into that third pairing PK dmen that Moe likes.

I think he's done a nice job in his role and our third pairing is in a pretty good spot with him there next year imo.

He is long-term signing worthy and protect him from Seattle pickin! Or will be a Chevy blunder for sure.
4 years from now, the league will know him as the next coming of ZChara!!

 

[GumbyCan2]

Very valid question. Offensive upside? No, not really, not yet. Will it come in time? Maybe, maybe not. So long term contract is silly at this point, as are comparisons to Chara. He's young, he has potential. He's certainly exceeded early expectations. He's been largely sheltered in his role thus far and is only playing 3rd pairing for the moment. But his play in the playoffs has been yet another surprise from the young man. He's playing heavy and hard, his reach is working and he isn't getting blown away by the likes of McDrai. That alone is damn impressive no question.

I don't really think he has a suitable comparable. Chara is a really, really high ceiling and unlikely. Tyler Myers? Hasn't shown the offense Myers did in his rookie season nor even in his later seasons. But he seems to hit more and better than Myers. Myers as a Jet was certainly more offensively competent but I don't think Stanley is all that far behind in defensive side (though still sheltered). That may or may not be a complement.

I honestly think the kid is playing exactly as he's being told to play, so what he's capable of isn't yet on display. He's still young so a bridge seems smart money and you go from there. Forecast ceiling isn't Chara but if he becomes a real solid second pairing that can eat PK minutes, well, what a win for the Jets. Time will tell.

Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.

 

[buggs]

Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.

Negative?

Have another drink.

 

[Zhamnov10]

Stanley will be playing with Pionk next year and Samberg and Heinola will be eased into the line up. I still think we need an upgrade on 1st pair RD in order to be a real contender next year.

 

[Channelcat]

He's our third or 4th best D right now as a rookie.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Can't say enough about how much Stanley has impressed me this season. His days in the minors are in the rear-view mirror. What a pleasant surprise he's been this season

 

[Jet]

Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.

Give it a rest, already - this narrative is old and has been disproven time and time again. The org is careful with their prospects, especially those that are not elite level blue chippers. Stanley has been handled magnificently as far as I'm concerned, and I think we'll see the same from Heinola and Samberg (though admittedly I would have liked to see more of Ville this year).

Finally, and this cannot be said enough PAUL MAURICE IS NOT THE SOLE DETERMINANT OF PLAYER DECISIONS. It is a management collaborative between he, his staff, the Moose coaches and the GM.

 

[surixon]

Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.

As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.

 

[jgimp]

Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.

As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.

In Windsor he had limited chances behind Serg, Day and Chatfield and was kept in a more defensive role. After his trade to Kitchener his points increased noticeably, although still not spectacular compared to a Clarke or Drysdale, but in fairness to Stanley, completely different players. On the Moose I didn’t expect much as I figured coaching would focus on his defensive game and skating, but he had decent numbers in his first year then fought the injury bug.
I don’t expect him to be an offensive juggernaut but I do see him around the 15-25 pts per year, mostly secondary assists with his exit passes and his sweet stretch passes we have seen. A few primary assists with point shots deflections and slap passes and the odd goal tossed in there for good measure.
All that said, I don’t want him for points, I want him for what we have seen in these playoffs. Strong defensive play, driving guys into the boards, strong exit passes, ripping Puliarvi’s off of Helly Buff style and smashing Archie’s when they do dumb things. God, Imagine him and Buff as a pairing

 

[surixon]

In Windsor he had limited chances behind Serg, Day and Chatfield and was kept in a more defensive role. After his trade to Kitchener his points increased noticeably, although still not spectacular compared to a Clarke or Drysdale, but in fairness to Stanley, completely different players. On the Moose I didn’t expect much as I figured coaching would focus on his defensive game and skating, but he had decent numbers in his first year then fought the injury bug.
I don’t expect him to be an offensive juggernaut but I do see him around the 15-25 pts per year, mostly secondary assists with his exit passes and his sweet stretch passes we have seen. A few primary assists with point shots deflections and slap passes and the odd goal tossed in there for good measure.
All that said, I don’t want him for points, I want him for what we have seen in these playoffs. Strong defensive play, driving guys into the boards, strong exit passes, ripping Puliarvi’s off of Helly Buff style and smashing Archie’s when they do dumb things. God, Imagine him and Buff as a pairing

Yes he was playing more of a defensive role but even in an offensive role as a d plus 2 player his point totals were middling.

I think 25 points is pretty optimistic but I won't complain if he puts those up. With Pionk, Morrissey, and Heinola we should have enough offense from the d.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.

As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.

Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.

He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.

His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.

At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.

 

[Snot Rocket]

Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.

I thought that narrative had been taken out back and put down?
Man, we gotta triple tap that next time for good measure.
Mo doesn't make all the decisions, he just has final call. There are a team of coaches and trainers all giving inputs in meetings, much like any other business entity.
Unlike 99.9% of folks here, these are professionals at the top of the coaching food chain not arm chair coaches sitting in hockey forums dealing with multiple factors including a players union and players ego's.
If a young guy isn't in the lineup then there are most likely valid reasons as to why. What determines that reasoning is beyond me as I am not a paid professional sitting in that room.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.

He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.

His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.

At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.

He was traditionally a very slow starter when it came to point point production. His points always picked up second half of the season

 

[Jet]

I thought that narrative had been taken out back and put down?
Man, we gotta triple tap that next time for good measure.
Mo doesn't make all the decisions, he just has final call. There are a team of coaches and trainers all giving inputs in meetings, much like any other business entity.
Unlike 99.9% of folks here, these are professionals at the top of the coaching food chain not arm chair coaches sitting in hockey forums dealing with multiple factors including a players union and players ego's.
If a young guy isn't in the lineup then there are most likely valid reasons as to why. What determines that reasoning is beyond me as I am not a paid professional sitting in that room.

I don't think we'll ever eliminate this type of think from these boards. It is, after all Hockey's Future boards, prospects and new shiny things are always more valuable than established players.

It doesn't take long though - Ethan Bear on the Oilers forum went from ZOOOMG WHY ARENT THEY PLAYING BEARRRRRRR HES THE GREATEST, to ZZOOOMG BEAR IS ACTUALLY TRASH, WAIVE HIM!!!!

The newest bauble for the Oilers is Evan Bouchard. He's going to come in and somehow magically just be one of their best D. What a weight to put on young players, and exactly why the Jets ease young guys into responsiblity. You have to build belief within players that they can do it at this level, and you do that by carefully introducing them to the game by putting them in positions to excel and succeed, and layering in more as they grow.

I don't understand why people still do not get this. We've seen so many super promising players be permanently damaged by incorrect development. Bogosian, Myers, Burmistrov just off the top of my head.

 

[surixon]

Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.

He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.

His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.

At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.

He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.

I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.

He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.

 

[CaptainUgly]

You gotta think Big Logan has cemented his status as the 3rd defenseman kept by the Jets after Morrissey and Pionk, no?

 

[surixon]

You gotta think Big Logan has cemented his status as the 3rd defenseman kept by the Jets after Morrissey and Pionk, no?

The team needs to make a deal to keep him and DeMelo along with JoMo and Pionk. I still wonder if Copp gets exposed as part.of a deal to grab a top 4 dmen from Seattle at the expansion draft.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.

I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.

He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.

I don’t see his shot as a negative nor his decision making when shooting. I cannot recall a situation where his shot hurt us? Getting pucks on or at the net is something he does somewhat consistently, and will only get better at as he continues to develop.

My eyes tell me he could produce points at this level. 5 years post draft yet 4 to 5years out from when we would expect a larger player to hit his peak.

He has years of development left and judging by the significant improvement he made this season from last I don’t think anybody here can define what his offence is capable of yet.

And dont get me started on Logans analytics from his jr days, I have argued how the stats were always the reason so many on here called him a bust from the moment we drafted him, in large part to the analytical view that underserved his true potential.

 

[BigZ65]

Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.

As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.

It’s interesting on the offensive side...I mean he doesn’t join the rush but off the cycle he’s gotta be one of our better guys at getting the puck to the net and to the sticks of our forwards for deflections, definitely better than guys like Forbort and Poolman, although they are more mobile.

 

[Sweech]

Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.

He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.

His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.

At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.

Is that actually true though? Personally don't think so.

 

[LowLefty]

He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.

I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.

He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.

Yes he does - and at the age of 22, he probably has time to grow his game in all areas.
Couldn't care less if he ever becomes an offensive Dman - we have forwards that can handle that part of the game and a couple of tiny guys on the back end that will likely bring more offense.

What we lack is what he brings - and again, at 22, he is only going to get better - and it could be a lot better considering the growth we have seen this season.

Yes, fans could be disappointed in his point production - I won't be one of them.

 

[Jet]

He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.

I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.

He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.

I know we loathe to do the Chara comparison but it took him quite a while to start producing in the NHL. Of course, he has a long way to go to become a Chara but this shows that there is precedent for it.