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Wade ReddenTwo words to put your mind at ease.
Mike Milbury.
Wade ReddenTwo words to put your mind at ease.
Mike Milbury.
Samberg?load up our two most physical D men on one pair.
He is long-term signing worthy and protect him from Seattle pickin! Or will be a Chevy blunder for sure.Stanley really doing a good job of cementing himself into that third pairing PK dmen that Moe likes.
I think he's done a nice job in his role and our third pairing is in a pretty good spot with him there next year imo.
Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.Very valid question. Offensive upside? No, not really, not yet. Will it come in time? Maybe, maybe not. So long term contract is silly at this point, as are comparisons to Chara. He's young, he has potential. He's certainly exceeded early expectations. He's been largely sheltered in his role thus far and is only playing 3rd pairing for the moment. But his play in the playoffs has been yet another surprise from the young man. He's playing heavy and hard, his reach is working and he isn't getting blown away by the likes of McDrai. That alone is damn impressive no question.
I don't really think he has a suitable comparable. Chara is a really, really high ceiling and unlikely. Tyler Myers? Hasn't shown the offense Myers did in his rookie season nor even in his later seasons. But he seems to hit more and better than Myers. Myers as a Jet was certainly more offensively competent but I don't think Stanley is all that far behind in defensive side (though still sheltered). That may or may not be a complement.
I honestly think the kid is playing exactly as he's being told to play, so what he's capable of isn't yet on display. He's still young so a bridge seems smart money and you go from there. Forecast ceiling isn't Chara but if he becomes a real solid second pairing that can eat PK minutes, well, what a win for the Jets. Time will tell.
Negative?Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.
Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.
Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.
As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.
In Windsor he had limited chances behind Serg, Day and Chatfield and was kept in a more defensive role. After his trade to Kitchener his points increased noticeably, although still not spectacular compared to a Clarke or Drysdale, but in fairness to Stanley, completely different players. On the Moose I didn’t expect much as I figured coaching would focus on his defensive game and skating, but he had decent numbers in his first year then fought the injury bug.
I don’t expect him to be an offensive juggernaut but I do see him around the 15-25 pts per year, mostly secondary assists with his exit passes and his sweet stretch passes we have seen. A few primary assists with point shots deflections and slap passes and the odd goal tossed in there for good measure.
All that said, I don’t want him for points, I want him for what we have seen in these playoffs. Strong defensive play, driving guys into the boards, strong exit passes, ripping Puliarvi’s off of Helly Buff style and smashing Archie’s when they do dumb things. God, Imagine him and Buff as a pairing
Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.
As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.
I thought that narrative had been taken out back and put down?Stagnated, over conservative reelings suffocating "potential" in a young player who is on the rise, is likely to ensure your negative sharings.
The biggest detriment will be the continued Coach PoMo's tendancy to not trust youngsters and play his "vet-plugs" over them.
Even with Playoff success, I feel this new core needs a new Head Coach to evolve this team furgher, stronger.
He was traditionally a very slow starter when it came to point point production. His points always picked up second half of the seasonStanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.
He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.
His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.
At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.
I don't think we'll ever eliminate this type of think from these boards. It is, after all Hockey's Future boards, prospects and new shiny things are always more valuable than established players.I thought that narrative had been taken out back and put down?
Man, we gotta triple tap that next time for good measure.
Mo doesn't make all the decisions, he just has final call. There are a team of coaches and trainers all giving inputs in meetings, much like any other business entity.
Unlike 99.9% of folks here, these are professionals at the top of the coaching food chain not arm chair coaches sitting in hockey forums dealing with multiple factors including a players union and players ego's.
If a young guy isn't in the lineup then there are most likely valid reasons as to why. What determines that reasoning is beyond me as I am not a paid professional sitting in that room.
Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.
He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.
His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.
At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.
You gotta think Big Logan has cemented his status as the 3rd defenseman kept by the Jets after Morrissey and Pionk, no?
He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.
I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.
He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.
Stanley has never put up offense at any level so I am not sure why some would expect him to suddenly be a point producer at the NHL level. What he is rounding into is a big mean dmen that uses his reach and size effectively in the defensive end of the ice. He has a hard shot but is not very accurate with it so it likely wont be as big of a weapon that some on here think it will be. To me he is a 10 to 15 point big mean dmen that can PK. That is a pretty solid player, best comparable in the league is probably Oleksiak. Another big/mean player with limited offense.
As for contract he gets the standard two year bridge deal imo, probably in the $1 to $1.5 aav range.
Is that actually true though? Personally don't think so.Stanley has all the tangible skills to be a bit of a point producer.
He is agile with the puck for a big man, he sees the ice very well, solid passer, and his shot gets on nets fairly regularly. I think his shot is accurate enough to get pucks to the net, we just aren’t a strong front net presence team.
His lack of point production during his jr days is part in parcel of the Stanley’s evolution as a player. He has developed like many large man do, slowly, but his trajectory could push him towards becoming a point producer at the NHL level.
At the jr level Stanley saw power play time and his point production increased in the last quarter of his OHL days.
He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.
I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.
He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.
I know we loathe to do the Chara comparison but it took him quite a while to start producing in the NHL. Of course, he has a long way to go to become a Chara but this shows that there is precedent for it.He is going to have to learn when and when not to shoot and he is going to have to learn to open up his shot as well. He passes well out of his end but doesn't display that same knack in the offensive zone. I doubt we see significant production out of him. It's all well and good to talk about development but we are 5 years post draft now and he has one ok offensive year on his resume and that was his d plus 2 year in the OHL were you would expect an older player to excel.
I juat think fans will be disappointed if they expect him to put up a lot of points, that has never been his game.
He trails most big producing dmen at every level in terms of production.