Player Discussion: Stanley

[Mortimer Snerd]

You gotta think Big Logan has cemented his status as the 3rd defenseman kept by the Jets after Morrissey and Pionk, no?

I don't think it is black and white. What he has done is make it more complicated, by quite a lot.

The team needs to make a deal to keep him and DeMelo along with JoMo and Pionk. I still wonder if Copp gets exposed as part.of a deal to grab a top 4 dmen from Seattle at the expansion draft.

DeMelo has once again shown that he is a difference maker with JMo. Without a 1RD we will continue to need him. Stanley has shown that he needs to be protected also. Chevy could expose DeMelo and hope that the Dmen available elsewhere allows him to slip through, but that is pretty risky. This makes a deal necessary. What that deal will look like is anybody's guess. Our 1st has just gone down in value. Will that make it available?

 

[Guffman]

Logan Stanley will definitely be protected. I do expect the Jets to make some sort of deal with Seattle to protect other important assets.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

DeMelo is replaceable. I'd be ecstatic if that's all we lost

DeMelo is replaceable - but not by us. Not in the next year or two.

 

[antiqueslivers]

maaan I was so anti stanley! Now i love the guy!

 

[jgimp]

None of those guys replace Demelo though. If we are going with Heinola and Stanley + potentially another rookie next season on the backend that is a rebuild and I don't think the Jets are doing that.

Its more likely that we trade for an established guy or get one in free agency.

I think we get a defender from the Kraken for exposing Copp

 

[Howard Chuck]

If Demelo goes, well we still have Heinola who will likely play most if not all of next season. Then there's those Samberg and Chisholm guys.

If Appleton goes... we have Perfetti who will be ready for prime time next season. Plus, I always thought that Harkens had the talent to play on the third line and be productive, before Appleton overtook him. Gustaffson had good numbers with the Moose as well (can he play wing?)

Nice to have depth!

 

[larmex99]

It is a great problem to have. There are teams that don’t have that problem at all. I believe that if we lose Stan or DeMelo we will regret it pretty quickly. We have immediate replacements for Apples, but I would still hate to lose him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

But why? It’s not like we need the cap space next year. His cap hit isn’t much and I would rather just trade him for a 7th or waive him after camp next year, or bury him on the moose

You'd give a first to get rid of 1 year of a $1.250m contract? That's crazy.

I assume the point is about it being Boo Boo instead of anyone else, not as a means of getting rid of Beaulieu. Just like there was no need to get rid of Thor last time.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

At first I was in favor of exposing Stanley over Demelo because Demelo is something the Jets can't afford to lose. However, with Stanley's rise, I am resigned to the fact that it has to be Dylan.

I still think the Kraken get Apples.

That seems likely to me. I will hate to lose him, but there may be no better option. That will leave us with exactly 2 RHS forwards, Scheifele and Wheeler.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Demelo goes, well we still have Heinola who will likely play most if not all of next season. Then there's those Samberg and Chisholm guys.

If Appleton goes... we have Perfetti who will be ready for prime time next season. Plus, I always thought that Harkens had the talent to play on the third line and be productive, before Appleton overtook him. Gustaffson had good numbers with the Moose as well (can he play wing?)

None of those Dmen is capable of playing 1st pair. None of them is a RHS.

Neither of those forwards is a RHS. Either could probably be adequate at 3RW and there is also Vesalainen.
Who among Frenchie, Stastny, Lewis and Thompson do we re-sign? Do we go after Armia? Another UFA?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think we get a defender from the Kraken for exposing Copp

Depends on the defender of course, but off the top of my head, I think we do better trading Copp before the XD rather than giving him to Kraken.

 

[jgimp]

Depends on the defender of course, but off the top of my head, I think we do better trading Copp before the XD rather than giving him to Kraken.

Your probably right but a lot of teams will be trying to maneuver their own rosters in regards to protection spots. A lot of teams can’t risk taking another player in need of protection

 

[Daximus]

I assume the point is about it being Boo Boo instead of anyone else, not as a means of getting rid of Beaulieu. Just like there was no need to get rid of Thor last time.

Oh yeah well in that case it makes sense. A 1st for Booboo and we move down in the draft would be a pretty solid outcome for us. Though I think if Seattle takes on a contract, even if it's 1 year, they aren't likely going to give us a move down further into the 1st round. We are likely looking at moving down into the 2nd at best. Which in a draft like this is whatever.

 

[scelaton]

it will be interesting to see Chara got to the next level when he was 25 and he got 39 points in 72 games. The main thing that happened was he joined the power play and he started getting about half his points on the PP.
Oleksiak is an interesting comp. He was really productive in his D +1 season after he got traded to Saginaw. In his D+2 he was promoted to the AHL and had a productive year with 33 points in 59 GP and he got a cup of coffee with the Stars at the end of that season. After that Jamie spent the next 3 seasons between Texas and Dallas as a tweener. ... ...........So he kind of started to get it together when he was 25-26. He has never been a PP guy so he tends to get about 15 points a season
I guess both these guys support the assertion it can take a bit longer for really tall guys to find their way although Myers was the opposite. Logan turns 23 in two days and if we assume he continues to progress like some of the other 6’7” guys the team can afford to be very patient with him.

I think all 3 players support the assertion. Myers never really found his way on the defensive side of the game and, as a result, has never fulfilled his potential. His Calder season gave the illusion that he was an all-star in the making, but in truth he probably needed more developmental time, just like Chara and Oleksiak.

Afterthought--The same thing could be said for Laine--he was too good in 1 dimension of the game to send back, but that may have really hurt him long-term.

 

[CanWin]

maaan I was so anti stanley! Now i love the guy!

I was never anti-Stanley (one of the few), but with what he has shown this year, there is no way that he will be wxposed

 

[tbone1968]

I don't think it is black and white. What he has done is make it more complicated, by quite a lot.



DeMelo has once again shown that he is a difference maker with JMo. Without a 1RD we will continue to need him. Stanley has shown that he needs to be protected also. Chevy could expose DeMelo and hope that the Dmen available elsewhere allows him to slip through, but that is pretty risky. This makes a deal necessary. What that deal will look like is anybody's guess. Our 1st has just gone down in value. Will that make it available?

Good points only thing I have a different view is re his usage. I think Stan is being used more in all situations now. He's on the PK and even PP I think ? Not sure he needs to be protected all that much anymore

 

[tbone1968]

I think Chevy will cough up a pick or some other deal to keep the guys they want. Or at least try. Honestly with this crazy year and lack of final junior year scouting the draft seems like like more of a crap shoot. Especially if we go a little further in the playoffs pick value diminishes. Is the 20th something 1st rounder worth more than Apples, Stan or Demelo ? I'm not sure

 

[CanWin]

I think Chevy will cough up a pick or some other deal to keep the guys they want. Or at least try. Honestly with this crazy year and lack of final junior year scouting the draft seems like like more of a crap shoot. Especially if we go a little further in the playoffs pick value diminishes. Is the 20th something 1st rounder worth more than Apples, Stan or Demelo ? I'm not sure

Not likely!

 

[tbone1968]

Not likely!

Yeah you might be right. We'll see

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Your probably right but a lot of teams will be trying to maneuver their own rosters in regards to protection spots. A lot of teams can’t risk taking another player in need of protection

True. It wouldn't be easy.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Good points only thing I have a different view is re his usage. I think Stan is being used more in all situations now. He's on the PK and even PP I think ? Not sure he needs to be protected all that much anymore

Not following your last sentence. Stanley and DeMelo both need to be protected or exposed in the XD. We need both of them.

 

[Evil Little]

I assume the point is about it being Boo Boo instead of anyone else, not as a means of getting rid of Beaulieu. Just like there was no need to get rid of Thor last time.

Jets didn't really get rid of Thorburn, he was only a Golden Knights asset for a week or two.

Oh yeah well in that case it makes sense. A 1st for Booboo and we move down in the draft would be a pretty solid outcome for us. Though I think if Seattle takes on a contract, even if it's 1 year, they aren't likely going to give us a move down further into the 1st round. We are likely looking at moving down into the 2nd at best. Which in a draft like this is whatever.

Hopefully there are no later picks in the first to move down to!

 

[snowkiddin]

Nice to see Stanley succeeding on the third pair with Poolman. Should hopefully put to bed some of the claims that he was carried by DeMelo.

 

[Daximus]

Hopefully there are no later picks in the first to move down to!

That would be the desired outcome and assures we move down deep into the 2nd.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets didn't really get rid of Thorburn, he was only a Golden Knights asset for a week or two.[/QUOTE

That's the point.
He was also a UFA, so he was gone anyway.

It is not about getting rid of Beaulieu (well, it might be for some). It is about losing the least possible value in return for whatever deal is made.

Some player has to be taken by the expansion team. Who better?