Player Discussion: Stanley

[kcin94]

I think Chevy will cough up a pick or some other deal to keep the guys they want. Or at least try. Honestly with this crazy year and lack of final junior year scouting the draft seems like like more of a crap shoot. Especially if we go a little further in the playoffs pick value diminishes. Is the 20th something 1st rounder worth more than Apples, Stan or Demelo ? I'm not sure

If they were on another team, I don't think I trade a first round pick for a team's 9th best forward or 3rd pairing D.

and if I wouldn't trade a 1st to get them, I don't see why I would trade a 1st to keep them.

Perhaps if it's a trade down about 10 spots situation, but while no two situations are the same, last time we gave up the pick used to draft Nick Suzuki, who is a top 6 center for Ves who can't crack the lineup. In a similar situation, would you trade Suzuki for Ves and Appleton or Ves and Stanley. I wouldn't.

 

[boydkc]

None of those Dmen is capable of playing 1st pair. None of them is a RHS.

Neither of those forwards is a RHS. Either could probably be adequate at 3RW and there is also Vesalainen.
Who among Frenchie, Stastny, Lewis and Thompson do we re-sign? Do we go after Armia? Another UFA?

dont forget Kovacevic RHS had a great season with Samberg.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

dont forget Kovacevic RHS had a great season with Samberg.

He is a potential Poolman replacement, not a 1st pair candidate.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If they were on another team, I don't think I trade a first round pick for a team's 9th best forward or 3rd pairing D.

and if I wouldn't trade a 1st to get them, I don't see why I would trade a 1st to keep them.

Perhaps if it's a trade down about 10 spots situation, but while no two situations are the same, last time we gave up the pick used to draft Nick Suzuki, who is a top 6 center for Ves who can't crack the lineup. In a similar situation, would you trade Suzuki for Ves and Appleton or Ves and Stanley. I wouldn't.

You know the 20th overall pick is more likely to wield a Roslovic than a Suzuki. I would definitely keep stanley, demelo Apple over another Roslo who will turn out in 3 or 4 years.

 

[mondo3]

We got Heinola at 20th last year. No way I offer 20th to Vegas to keep Appleton or Demelo.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We got Heinola at 20th last year. No way I offer 20th to Vegas to keep Appleton or Demelo.

Now do a list of the picks before and after and the previous years. Most late picks are more like roslo Howden then Heinola. In 2017 we picked ves 24th I’d rather Apple than a future ves who will be ready in 3/4 years. I’d rather Apple than call an foot drafted 17th in 2017.
2018 23rd pick is lunderstrom who is that?

 

[kcin94]

You know the 20th overall pick is more likely to wield a Roslovic than a Suzuki. I would definitely keep stanley, demelo Apple over another Roslo who will turn out in 3 or 4 years.

But that's a false equivalency. You aren't keeping three for a Roslovic. You are keeping one for a Roslovic, and I would guess most people wouldn't have traded Roslovic for either of those three if they were an other teams.

Stanley is a 3rd pairing D.
Roslovic has played higher than Appleton every year they were here together.
We got DeMelo with a 3rd round pick. Has he improved so much that we now would equate him with a late first?

 

[Adam da bomb]

But that's a false equivalency. You aren't keeping three for a Roslovic. You are keeping one for a Roslovic.

I’d keep any of 3 over roslo.

 

[Adam da bomb]

But that's a false equivalency. You aren't keeping three for a Roslovic. You are keeping one for a Roslovic, and I would guess most people wouldn't have traded Roslovic for either of those three if they were an other teams.

Stanley is a 3rd pairing D.
Roslovic has played higher than Appleton every year they were here together.
We got DeMelo with a 3rd round pick. Has he improved so much that we now would equate him with a late first?

And I’d still rather have any of them over Roslo. Stanley has proven he has potential to be 2nd pairing. Stanley currently plays 3rd pairing does that make Samberg an AHL player because he currently plays there? Heinola isn’t playing anywhere right now. Does that mean he’s just a tweeter?
Apple is much more solid defensively than Roslo. Roslo in top 6 looked out of place.
Is it any surprise that Jomo has looked a lot more solid when paired with demelo. I think not.
Roslo took 3 or 4 years to make the nhl. We need ready now players.

 

[Mud Turtle]

If Stanley can get a bit better in his pivots and foot speed, I think he’s a top pairing defenseman in a year or two.
I honestly don’t think he’s that far off.

 

[GNP]

If Stanley can get a bit better in his pivots and foot speed, I think he’s a top pairing defenseman in a year or two.
I honestly don’t think he’s that far off.

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I agree with the Turtle here, and I've noticed he's been getting better every time out. He gives me the impression he's willing to work on whatever his deficiencies are, to become the best he can be, and he's has the right attitude. His speed is picking up, plays the angles right, doesn't panic, and makes smart plays, plus he's very physical. I can full well see Stanley becoming a number one defenseman. He's willing to put in the work, and I really like him back there. Big and tough, and can clear the front of the net.

 

[sipowicz]

Gotta love Stanley exceeding all expectations!

And on the flip side a Niku was supposed to the the next Enstrom but better and bigger and everything else and now he looks destined for Europe pretty soon!

 

[Farmerjetsfan]

I would hate to give up on the potential of Stanley. I would expose demelo and see what it would take for Seattle to not take him. If the price is too high I would leave it to chance. If Seattle takes him, I would take the savings from his salary and some of the money originally set aside for Laine and make a real hard run at dougie Hamilton. Then you could have morrisey/Hamilton, Stanley/Pionk and Samberg/Heinola then try and bring back poolman as your 7th as he is a right hand shot. Or he could play with heinola and let Samberg play top line for the moose (I have not seen Samberg play so I do not know if he is ready for a full time nhl rol)

 

[GNP]

I would hate to give up on the potential of Stanley. I would expose demelo and see what it would take for Seattle to not take him. If the price is too high I would leave it to chance. If Seattle takes him, I would take the savings from his salary and some of the money originally set aside for Laine and make a real hard run at dougie Hamilton. Then you could have morrisey/Hamilton, Stanley/Pionk and Samberg/Heinola then try and bring back poolman as your 7th as he is a right hand shot. Or he could play with heinola and let Samberg play top line for the moose (I have not seen Samberg play so I do not know if he is ready for a full time nhl rol)

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I agree with you, and if not Hamilton, then someone of his calibre would work just fine. If we lose Demelo, I think we can replace him with somebody equal or even better. He's more of a mid range type of defenseman, and there's a lot more of them around.

 

[Lady Stanley]

I agree with the Turtle here, and I've noticed he's been getting better every time out. He gives me the impression he's willing to work on whatever his deficiencies are, to become the best he can be, and he's has the right attitude. His speed is picking up, plays the angles right, doesn't panic, and makes smart plays, plus he's very physical. I can full well see Stanley becoming a number one defenseman. He's willing to put in the work, and I really like him back there. Big and tough, and can clear the front of the net.

I totally agree. He's getting better all of the time, and he's got a good balance of physicality and smarts. I like to call him a gentle giant. He'll be as aggressive as he needs to be to protect his teammates and to get plays, but he rarely goes too far or gets penalties. Just holding off an opponent at arms length if necessary or throwing a couple of punches if an opponent has pushed around one of his teammates a bit too much. He's big, he's strong, he makes good plays. He's developing as a player fast, and his agility is coming along. He's already a good defenseman, I think he'll be great by this time next year.

He's my favourite player in the NHL to watch on the ice right now, and it's nice to see him getting more ice time and more attention/credit. I want a Stanley jersey. Also, I will be beyond pissed if the Jets don't protect him in the expansion draft and the Krakens steal him.

 

[Al Camino]

But that's a false equivalency. You aren't keeping three for a Roslovic. You are keeping one for a Roslovic, and I would guess most people wouldn't have traded Roslovic for either of those three if they were an other teams.

Stanley is a 3rd pairing D.
Roslovic has played higher than Appleton every year they were here together.
We got DeMelo with a 3rd round pick. Has he improved so much that we now would equate him with a late first?

A third pairing D that barely plays against anything above 3rd and 4th lines, in the North Division. While he's been better than I though he'd ever be, after watching more Vegas and Colorado since the playoffs started you can really see they type of D-man teams need. Even at his absolute best I'm not sure he's got that type skill set/tools.

I think if Seattle had a choice between the two it would DeMelo.

 

[Al Camino]

If Stanley can get a bit better in his pivots and foot speed, I think he’s a top pairing defenseman in a year or two.
I honestly don’t think he’s that far off.

After watching Vegas and Colorado the last few weeks and their top 4's he's still got a long way to go.

 

[Jet]

If Stanley can get a bit better in his pivots and foot speed, I think he’s a top pairing defenseman in a year or two.
I honestly don’t think he’s that far off.

The think I really love about Stanley is he has a great hockey brain. He makes good decisions and he doesn't panic. You can't teach that.

 

[bob77]

After watching Vegas and Colorado the last few weeks and their top 4's he's still got a long way to go.

He could get there still. He’d be the punching bag on the board stay at home D, but I can see it. Everyone seems to think 1D. To me, there are about 10 or so super elite 1D in the league. Then every other team just has a 1D. On most boards people complain they need new top pair D, when they’re thinking these 10 super elite, which are hard to come by.

 

[Whileee]

He could get there still. He’d be the punching bag on the board stay at home D, but I can see it. Everyone seems to think 1D. To me, there are about 10 or so super elite 1D in the league. Then every other team just has a 1D. On most boards people complain they need new top pair D, when they’re thinking these 10 super elite, which are hard to come by.

I think Oleksiak is a reasonable comparison at this point. That's not at the Toews or Girard level, but it is much better than we might have expected. It has certainly created a need for harder decisions for the Jets with the expansion draft and Heinola and Samberg in the pipeline.

 

[RCAFguy]

For me personally I use the sphincter clench metric. When he's next to the net it relaxes. When I see it's forbort I clinch hard.

Totally agree with you. When Big Stan is on the ice, I almost relax. The same cannot be said when I see Poolman or Forbort. I realize Stanley plays with Poolman, I just pray the puck goes into Stan's corner so I don't have to witness Poolman treating the puck like a live grenade.

 

[DuckyGirard]

If Stanley can get a bit better in his pivots and foot speed, I think he’s a top pairing defenseman in a year or two.
I honestly don’t think he’s that far off.

Our D was our biggest weakness. Stanley is helping to fill in that gap. If we face the leafs they're down a guy so the gaps in our D are narrowing.

 

[Guffman]

Even though Stanimal was sheltered, it was his first year in the NHL. Of course, we expect growth in the future and more responsibilities. This was a VERY successful first year.

For expansion draft purposes, you protect him. While I have gone through XD projections, I heard more quality d-men will be exposed and thus Appleton may likely be the guy taken between him and Demelo.

 

[Lady Stanley]

I'm a bit confused about the expansion draft. I'm looking at the article about it on the NHL site, and it says that "All first- and second-year professionals, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.)". Since this is Stanley's first year playing with the Jets, is he exempt, or is he not since he was drafted in 2016?

 

[Evil Little]

I'm a bit confused about the expansion draft. I'm looking at the article about it on the NHL site, and it says that "All first- and second-year professionals, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.)". Since this is Stanley's first year playing with the Jets, is he exempt, or is he not since he was drafted in 2016?

AHL years are professional years, alas.

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