Player Discussion: Stanley

[DeepFrickinValue]

 

[Whileee]

Pretty much the only positive thing Stanley did in that game. He really struggled.

 

[surixon]

Pretty much the only positive thing Stanley did in that game. He really struggled.

When he gets more minutes and other teams can get some mismatches it shows his lack of footspeed and his limited ability.

 

[Atoyot]

Is anyone still thinking we should use Stanley on the power play?

 

[Daximus]

Is anyone still thinking we should use Stanley on the power play?

If Stanley had any control over his shot he'd be a lot more effective. He's awesome at getting it through, not so awesome at getting it to good locations for a goal or a rebound.

 

[ps241]

Is anyone still thinking we should use Stanley on the power play?

If Stanley had any control over his shot he'd be a lot more effective. He's awesome at getting it through, not so awesome at getting it to good locations for a goal or a rebound.

Logan's current problem is he doesn't wait for the right time to shoot. He would be an ideal player for the Habs to juice their possession stats because they've never met a bad shot they won't take.

I like that Logan can get it through but his next stage is getting it though when his teammates are screening, in position to tip, or he has a better chance to score.

 

[garret9]

Is anyone still thinking we should use Stanley on the power play?

Someone wrote about this recently (not the PP thing) in this very thread lol

 

[Al Camino]

atleast the guy has somewhat of a original nick-name

i think forbort's play has been kinda underwhelming lately, top 4 look for Stanley? please?

I think that would a good idea. He needs to see more mintues to see if he's worth protecting in June.

 

[GumbyCan2]

I appreciate that sentiment. I definitely do not want to lose Stanley. This does underline a theme of these boards - after all it's called Hockey's Future. Unproven prospects are always valued higher than established players. Sometimes, it's a no brainer, but with Stanley there is still a lot of question marks. He could absolutely turn into the next Chara - no doubt. However, maybe he's peaking right now? I don't think that's likely but it's not out of the question at all. Guys like Myers, Bogosian, and the list goes on and on came into the NHL performing at a much higher level than Stanley is now and then kind of fell into an average or below average player - or a player with a ton of warts.

In a normal season, of course you keep Stanley, no doubt. However, this is a very complex situation. Not only must we expose a very useful player in the X draft, but we have 3 (4 if Chisholm is getting close) defensemen that are banging down the door to play for the Jets. Whether philosophically you agree with the Jets org about how they bring young players in, we know they aren't going to have 3 or 4 rookies in the defense for this team.

So, you have to look at this wholistically and logically. Do you let an established (and more rare RHD) top 4 proven guy go, or do you expose a young guy (a LHD)?

• If you keep Stanley and let Demelo go, now you are sentencing Samberg to at least another year in the A, and Chisholm gets pushed back even further.
• Next year, you have Stanley (who is still at bottom pair guy), and Heinola (who would likely play in the top 4 but will struggle with the physical demands of the NHL).

As much as I don't like it, the logic falls with exposing Stanley.

With regards to Stanley, he struggled to get traction or stand oug early on in his pro initiation. The word is, has been that he has worked very hard on the grass roots parts of his game. Now with some astute coaching by Pascal Vincent and Eric Dubois Stanley has improved the very key parts of what it takes to be a viable NHL defenseman in todays game. He has improved his foot-speed, puck control, quickness in reacting positively and confidently to the action around him, and gap control and positioning.
The results of his hard work are showing dividends and I think many fans are pleasantly surprised by his progression ( those of us who have not followed the Moose too heavily last 2 previous seasons, for sure).
I truly believe he could handle more minutes and any role that most other D have curently (obviously not likely Pionk or Morrissey full roles, but most of any others). A good internal, draft & develop story of a guy who was pretty quiet, not advancing much in the public eye in progression in the organization. Hopefully going forward, he gets more of a role and chance to prove his worth and abilities to grow in success with, for Jets.

 

[GumbyCan2]

When he gets more minutes and other teams can get some mismatches it shows his lack of footspeed and his limited ability.

Its still early in his NHL experience. Lots to learn and gain from mistakes and short comings. Lots of highly regarded, high role, high $$$salary playes on this team have struggled to keep up to and overcome opposition any given game. Look at Captain Wheels defensive numbers and eyetest lack of compete and execution in our own end on numerous occasions this year?
I am impressed with Stanley's poise and not showing nerves or fear playing against the best in the game today ( well in the North anyways).

 

[Evil Little]

Logan's current problem is he doesn't wait for the right time to shoot. He would be an ideal player for the Habs to juice their possession stats because they've never met a bad shot they won't take.

Indeed, he's an utter moral winner.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Logan's current problem is he doesn't wait for the right time to shoot. He would be an ideal player for the Habs to juice their possession stats because they've never met a bad shot they won't take.

I like that Logan can get it through but his next stage is getting it though when his teammates are screening, in position to tip, or he has a better chance to score.

At least he is not giving away at the blue-line for opponent out-number rushes against! He shows alot of poise for a rookie and is "trying". He will get better, mark my words here. His shot is trending to improve to a scoring-threat-level closer to effective of Buff, than not. Give snother 1/2 year of experience and I bet we will all be impressed again. He has personally worked harder on some key areas NHL needed skills for todays game, than most current Jets. For a big man on defense he is proving compete and tempo, quickness required to succeed, with more experience and an improvement in overall team ( 5 player unit) defensive stucture play this is more probable than not, to occur.

 

[snowkiddin]

Stanley would’ve been a nice addition to the lineup tonight to deal with the Leaf cheap shots

 

[untouchable21]

Barring any injuries to the defense, I’d be surprised if he dresses for more than 2 of the remaining 10 games and will be on the outside looking in for the playoffs.

 

[AlaskaJet]

Barring any injuries to the defense, I’d be surprised if he dresses for more than 2 of the remaining 10 games and will be on the outside looking in for the playoffs.

Maurice is probably going to give Tree the Heinola shine treatment, but he may be saving Tree for the playoffs..

 

[Kosi]

Does Logan have to be protected in the expansion draft?

 

[garret9]

Does Logan have to be protected in the expansion draft?

Yes. He's played enough games.

As it currently stands, the ones Jets will have to choose between:
Morrissey
DeMelo
Pionk
Beaulieu
Stanley

And also technically, but UFAs, Benn, Forbort, and Poolman also.

Exempt dmen are Niku (unless 21 more GP including POs), Green (27 GP), Nogier (27 GP), Samberg, Heinola, Chisholm, Gawanke, Kovacevic, and Lundmark.

 

[snowkiddin]

Yes. He's played enough games.

As it currently stands, the ones Jets will have to choose between:
Morrissey
DeMelo
Pionk
Beaulieu
Stanley

And also technically, but UFAs, Benn, Forbort, and Poolman also.

Exempt dmen are Niku (unless 21 more GP including POs), Green (27 GP), Nogier (27 GP), Samberg, Heinola, Chisholm, Gawanke, Kovacevic, and Lundmark.

Now, I believe Nogier, Green, and Niku are actually not exempt, they can be selected, but if they’re exposed they won’t count towards the minimum players that the Jets need to expose.

 

[garret9]

Now, I believe Nogier, Green, and Niku are actually not exempt, they can be selected, but if they’re exposed they won’t count towards the minimum players that the Jets need to expose.

My bad!

 

[snowkiddin]

My bad!

Not that it really matters haha, they ain’t getting taken unless the Jets do some messing around

 

[Al Camino]

Yes. He's played enough games.

As it currently stands, the ones Jets will have to choose between:
Morrissey
DeMelo
Pionk
Beaulieu
Stanley

And also technically, but UFAs, Benn, Forbort, and Poolman also.

Exempt dmen are Niku (unless 21 more GP including POs), Green (27 GP), Nogier (27 GP), Samberg, Heinola, Chisholm, Gawanke, Kovacevic, and Lundmark.

Morrissey's contract is looking really stinky. Of course that could change with a better partner like DeMelo or a coaching change, Huddy and Maurice leaving or better yet, both things. Even though I can't image that Seattle would take on that much term and money Jets history says they protect him.
I see an scenario where Chevy does some pick swaps or trades them their 1st this year or next and everyone stays.

 

[GumbyCan2]

If Stanley had any control over his shot he'd be a lot more effective. He's awesome at getting it through, not so awesome at getting it to good locations for a goal or a rebound.

None of Dmen overall get pucks through to the net or near the front close for tap-ins or deflections.
Morrissey has a great shot (sometimes) but what is not great is 9 out 10 good setup shots of his miss the net completely and set too high for deflections.

 

[Daximus]

None of Dmen overall get pucks through to the net or near the front close for tap-ins or deflections.
Morrissey has a great shot (sometimes) but what is not great is 9 out 10 good setup shots of his miss the net completely and set too high for deflections.

If Stanley could learn to control his harder slapshots and keep them low he could create some real chaos in front of the net and would likely get a lot more tips.

 

[DannyGallivan]

When he gets more minutes and other teams can get some mismatches it shows his lack of footspeed and his limited ability.

Disagree about the limited ability. That's a false narrative based on all the negative stuff said about him when he was drafted.

He's made a few mistakes, as has everybody on the team including Pionk and Morrissey. However, his positive play has far outweighed his negative play - by a wide margin. He utilizes his reach to make up for any perceived foot speed issues. And while he doesn't skate like Tyler Myers (who is an amazing skater for a man that tall), his skating is still much better than earlier reports suggested. Add to that a booming shot, toughness and very good passing and you have the beginnings of a defensemen who's already good and is going to get even better with experience (and hopefully with a better defensive scheme, but that comment is for the coaching thread).

 

[DannyGallivan]

If Stanley could learn to control his harder slapshots and keep them low he could create some real chaos in front of the net and would likely get a lot more tips.

That will happen.