GDT: Stanley Cup playoffs

[Tuna99]

#19 for the Leafs is so soft on the series winning goal, looked like a hungover Chris Wideman out there. He’s trying to not block the goalie and he’s not a defenceman but man, seeing a smallish player go down from a stick and a light rub is why everyone says you need big Dman - and just seeing Gudas skating the ice like a dump truck the other way on the winner sort of defines that entire play and series. Florida forechecked and rubbed out the Leafs to death

 

[Tuna99]

We must get Brady into the playoffs next year. Look at how his bro terrorized Marner and Matthews. Lfg

We know we have an answer for Matthew Tkachuk - Tampa and Toronto didn’t but we have his bigger younger brother who’s more a bully then his brother is. Can’t wait

Would be cool to see Florida win the Cup just to have Brady chase Matthew for a championship.

 

[HSF]

I’ll take Dubas here just because of the culture he has built in Toronto - I like what he’s done with their management team and how he sees the Leafs in the community.

As far as hockey goes he’s had a good team. My biggest criticism of him would be holding onto Nylander. It’s almost like Dubas did move away from analytics he was known for when he came into the league and then trough real NHL playoff defeats of his teams started to believe in the need for harder players but Nylander was the player that attached him to his analytics past. When he said he’d never trade Nylander it was a steadfast commitment to stability in a a very young core and that’s smart, but he should have said it differently. Everyone knows every player is available all the time at the right price, young mistake by a rookie GM and his biggest one that kind of defines him IMO. Also the way Nylander negotiated by in the media was a bit dirty and undermined Dubas I thought. But I’d still take him because I think he’s learned a lot about playoff hockey. I’d even take Keefe too TBH

They should have done Marner for Tkachuk

Nylander actually plays with a bit of heart and is cap friendly

I agree through how dubas built out the leafs staff and is a more progressive GM.

 

[Tuna99]

Funny the two big boys Matthews and Matthew didn’t score in the series, one is a hero, the other has 25 media members at Pearson airport staking out the Arizona gate waiting for #34 to board a plane

 

[Rodzilla]

Well it just goes to show you just how hard it is to win it or even qualify to play for it. Just because a teams gets the top pick or picks near the top in the draft for a few years does not guarantee anything if it isn't done the right way.

I feel as Ottawa finally has a good thing going with how things are in the dressing room and just the overall comradery the team has; coach included. Why mess that up ? If the team regressed performance wise and there were no set backs to blame I'd show him the door my self but for now that's not the case so I'll gladly open doors for him with a smile and a greeting.

A coach can very much be a friend. Obviously not a friend in a sense where you play video games with each other but for sure someone you trust and are comfortable with. Hard-assed and strict coaches are a thing of the past. That style of coaching has very short effectiveness. A coach can be strict and still be a friend. I feel its better to have that friend component than not. Would you play hard for someone that just demands, often hands out punishment and to you is just some strict a-hole behind the bench ? or someone that rightfuly demands, chooses discussion over handing out punishment and to you is not just your boss but someone you respect and are willing to do such ?

Obviously

But you’re going pretty far there. I am not asking for someone like you just described. I am just not asking for a country club where nobody is held accountable.

We’ll see, hopefully if he stays we’re not in a hole in november yet again. Some teams have weaker rosters and get better results.

I’ll take Dubas here just because of the culture he has built in Toronto - I like what he’s done with their management team and how he sees the Leafs in the community.

As far as hockey goes he’s had a good team. My biggest criticism of him would be holding onto Nylander. It’s almost like Dubas did move away from analytics he was known for when he came into the league and then trough real NHL playoff defeats of his teams started to believe in the need for harder players but Nylander was the player that attached him to his analytics past. When he said he’d never trade Nylander it was a steadfast commitment to stability in a a very young core and that’s smart, but he should have said it differently. Everyone knows every player is available all the time at the right price, young mistake by a rookie GM and his biggest one that kind of defines him IMO. Also the way Nylander negotiated by in the media was a bit dirty and undermined Dubas I thought. But I’d still take him because I think he’s learned a lot about playoff hockey. I’d even take Keefe too TBH

Nylander is the one that shows up the most in the playoffs out of all their big guns I personally think. Marner making that much $ and never going into corners or dirty areas is insane.

 

[boxbox]

Even though I’m not opposed to keeping Dorion for next year, I still wouldn’t be against Dubas coming in. Not a popular opinion, but I think he’s a good GM.

good GM ????? the guy has 3 players eating up like half of the salary cap and he is the mastermind behind the contract for each one of those players....not to mention he literally has all the resources available at his disposal...

I am all for giving people a chance and trying innovative approaches for the sake of better results and such , but it has to be within reason. I personally feel that its almost impossible for someone to truly understand and build something they never experienced hands on. To me a GM has to have that just as much the GM needs certain life experiences which generally are not encountered in our 30s.

There are certain attributes when it comes to hockey that no statistical analysis or breakdowns will show. To partake is to know. That could very well be the reason why Dubas who relies heavily on analytics and never played hockey on a pro level , built a team that has excellent regular season results and quite the opposite when it comes to the playoffs. Seems its a matter on the mental side of things that's behind the poor playoff showings with strong similarities in terms why.

 

[Cosmix]

I would replace the GM asap and let him determine who the coaching staff should be. He could keep Smith or hire someone else. The buck would stop with the new GM.

 

[PlayItAgain]

I’ll take Dubas here just because of the culture he has built in Toronto - I like what he’s done with their management team and how he sees the Leafs in the community.

As far as hockey goes he’s had a good team. My biggest criticism of him would be holding onto Nylander. It’s almost like Dubas did move away from analytics he was known for when he came into the league and then trough real NHL playoff defeats of his teams started to believe in the need for harder players but Nylander was the player that attached him to his analytics past. When he said he’d never trade Nylander it was a steadfast commitment to stability in a a very young core and that’s smart, but he should have said it differently. Everyone knows every player is available all the time at the right price, young mistake by a rookie GM and his biggest one that kind of defines him IMO. Also the way Nylander negotiated by in the media was a bit dirty and undermined Dubas I thought. But I’d still take him because I think he’s learned a lot about playoff hockey. I’d even take Keefe too TBH

Lol…horrible GM. Was gifted a talented core to work with and his only objective was to turn that core into a team that can contend. Years later he’s literally accomplished none of it. Ironic especially in the Dorian thread keep hearing that the results matter.

 

[Micklebot]

They clearly are a presidents trophy level team. They just beat the leafs in 5 and the best team in regular season history the previous round. They play the right way. Boston loaded up at the deadline they had Taylor Hall on the third line. Just stop man. Results speak for themselves. They're a really good team that plays very hard with tremendous pace. They have Reinhart a ppg player on their third line and another 40 goal scorer on their second pp.

So many holes in the argument they aren't any good it's starting to look like Matt Murray.

Yes, the 92 pts panthers are president trophy caliber…

And again, I never said they aren’t good, what I’m saying is you are over rating them which is becoming more and more evident with every post.

Great teams get beat in the playoffs, it happens every year. Clb swept a 128 pts president w trophy winning Tampa team, that didn’t make clb presidents trophy worthy.

Take your own advice, just stop.

 

[boxbox]

Obviously

But you’re going pretty far there. I am not asking for someone like you just described. I am just not asking for a country club where nobody is held accountable.

We’ll see, hopefully if he stays we’re not in a hole in november yet again. Some teams have weaker rosters and get better results.

What gives you the impression to suggest there is a country club vibe with no accountability ? just because the coach does not spill everything to the media , calls out players publicly and benches them during games does not mean the players aren't held accountable.

The idea of the rebuild is to build a sustainable winner, not a one hit wonder sort of say. Yes some teams have better results with weaker rosters but are those results suistainable for a few years ? You also have teams with better rosters that achieve worse results. I personally don't care what other teams do and with who. I care what the Sens do and what I see is a team that is improving and gaining experience to become a team capable of being a winning team for more then a season. The experience they gained from being in that hole in November will most likely prevent such scenarios from happening again. Not saying it will 100% prevent it but it should def. decrease the chances

 

[GCK]

its so crazy people want to wait until our players are 26-27 to have expectations of them.

kane and toews won their first cups when they were 20 and 21, their last when they were 25. kopitar and doughty won their first at 24 and 21. crosby and malkin 21 and 22.

All of those teams had veteran depth throughout the lineup.

 

[GCK]

Brown had really good potential. Like legit #1 center upside.

Couldn't get out of his own way unfortunately, and the constant stream of injuries definitely played a role in him busting.

Don't consider him a bad pick at 12th OVR, even though he didn't work out.

Anybody who watched Brown closely in junior should have seen the enormous red flags in terms of desire. Terrible pick IMO.

 

[Icelevel]

Still got a smile on my face. Thank you Toronto. Go panthers.

 

[SpezDispenser]

We know we have an answer for Matthew Tkachuk - Tampa and Toronto didn’t but we have his bigger younger brother who’s more a bully then his brother is. Can’t wait

Would be cool to see Florida win the Cup just to have Brady chase Matthew for a championship.

This'll light even more of a fire for brady, no question.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

These Garnier ads have got to go

 

[Cosmix]

These Garnier ads have got to go

Someone must pay the costs to have the games on TV. The betting sites are certainly helping a lot this year.

 

[DueDiligence]

They should have done Marner for Tkachuk

Nylander actually plays with a bit of heart and is cap friendly

I agree through how dubas built out the leafs staff and is a more progressive GM.

Problem is that Dubas had a plan and even though it was obvious after a few years it wasn't working he stubbornly stuck to it. A good GM would have made a bold move before now and traded Matthews, Marner or Nylander for a top level goalie or a stud defenseman.

 

[Rodzilla]

What gives you the impression to suggest there is a country club vibe with no accountability ? just because the coach does not spill everything to the media , calls out players publicly and benches them during games does not mean the players aren't held accountable.

The idea of the rebuild is to build a sustainable winner, not a one hit wonder sort of say. Yes some teams have better results with weaker rosters but are those results suistainable for a few years ? You also have teams with better rosters that achieve worse results. I personally don't care what other teams do and with who. I care what the Sens do and what I see is a team that is improving and gaining experience to become a team capable of being a winning team for more then a season. The experience they gained from being in that hole in November will most likely prevent such scenarios from happening again. Not saying it will 100% prevent it but it should def. decrease the chances

I mean I watched 95% of the games this year and its pretty clear there is not much accountability on this team. This team and organization and even some of its fans seem fine with mediocrity and the bare minimum.

We’re at 6 years without playoffs and all the coaches with longer tenure than DJ have cups or contenders.

You’d think they’d have gained the experience you talked about from the November stuff. Then again I hope you are right, we’ll see. I dont care either what other teams do but at times its pretty telling

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I love Gudas keeping that stick away from his crotch here. Such a veteran play

 

[Emerica]

Yikes

 

[senswon]

Wierd how nobody at work seems to wanna talk about hockey this morning.
Oh Kingston, never change

#doncherrysghost

 

[Speatleysson]

Wierd how nobody at work seems to wanna talk about hockey this morning.
Oh Kingston, never change

#doncherrysghost

Same.. if it were the Sens that lost they'd be flipping me the bird and endless memes coming my way. Bunch of coward leafs fans love to dish the **** but can't take it in return. Next year it'll be Brady Tkachuk and friends smashing the leafs out of round

 

[Senovision]

Wierd how nobody at work seems to wanna talk about hockey this morning.
Oh Kingston, never change

#doncherrysghost

Same with the Ottawa valley.....way too many Leafs fans.

 

[Senovision]

Tkachuk on Leafs fans: 'I don't think they want Florida that much anymore'​

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Oilers are us with two generational talents. Live off the PP, get nothing from their bottom six, terrible defensive coverage and shit goaltending. I really hope that isn’t us in our final form, not a chance can we win the cup.