SSM Greyhounds 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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Houndzfan20

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fair enough. fair enough.

this is kinda what I saw...


“Special teams, we have a lapse in judgment on the PK. We talk about defending our seam and two skilled players in (Carson) Rehkopf and (Filip) Mesar go through the seam to each other and they give the goaltender no chance on it,” Taylor said.

Taylor added that power play struggles were also an issue in the loss, which included the team being held off the scoresheet during a double minor to the Rangers in the opening period in which the home team held the Greyhounds at bay.

Taylor said not being able to score on the four-minute penalty “killed our momentum.”
I agree about the power play. That has to be better. But that was 12 minutes in a 60 minute game. The main problem I see with thr hounds is they always or almost always outplay their opponents. But everyone else finishes their chances. Is it that we haven't put together a team that can finish? Or are our goalies not making the saves? Or is everyone else just great at finishing?

All questions that need to be answered before making another 2nd round exit.

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there's definitely a lack of finish happening. we take a lot of perimeter shots, miss a lot of nets, and put the puck right into the goalies crest. or we can make excuses and say we got "goalie'd" but at this point it seems like we like to make goalies look good by dominating possession but lacking on the elite hands.
 
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there's definitely a lack of finish happening. we take a lot of perimeter shots, miss a lot of nets, and put the puck right into the goalies crest. or we can make excuses and say we got "goalie'd" but at this point it seems like we like to make goalies look good by dominating possession but lacking on the elite hands.

The only person who keeps bringing up “out goalie’d” is you though. You took a truth ( Out goalie’d against Ottawa was a truth ) and are trying to bend it to a narrative that fits your opinion.


I’ve said from day one we need a goalie, a finisher, and a defensive dman. Stay tuned folks.
 

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The only person who keeps bringing up “out goalie’d” is you though. You took a truth ( Out goalie’d against Ottawa was a truth ) and are trying to bend it to a narrative that fits your opinion.


I’ve said from day one we need a goalie, a finisher, and a defensive dman. Stay tuned folks.

i don't need to do anything to suit my narrative. the narrative from many of you is that we outplay teams in shots/possession but our goaltending loses us games. i believe that narrative is too simple and ignores defensive miscues at one end and lack of finish at the other. the end.

it's just tiring to hear "we outplayed them" when in reality we got outplayed in the only stat that counts.
 

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Junior hockey is a game of mistakes. Team that makes fewer mistakes usually wins. Right now that is not us.
 
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We definitely would need a finisher if we are wanting to contend with this group. Definitely warming up to the older Hayes.
I understand the want for Hayes, Sudbury should want him too & and he’d be ideal for NB.
But I don’t see Flint wanting to trades Hayes. I can see them wanting Gibson
 

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Junior hockey is a game of mistakes. Team that makes fewer mistakes usually wins. Right now that is not us.
Strangely enough, that definitely wasn't the case in either of the last 2 games. We were really sloppy against Niagara, but played very well defensively against Kitchener. They are a really talented team that capitalized on the few chances that they did have, putting some shots in good spots against Schenkel.
 
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I thought kitchener also made very few mistakes. It was a battle of attrition, i thought the team that made fewer mistakes won.
 

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I thought kitchener also made very few mistakes. It was a battle of attrition, i thought the team that made fewer mistakes won.
It was pretty even until the last 10 minutes in my opinion, but then the Greyhounds forced an awful lot of turnovers and penalties in that span. It's too bad we didn't see more of that earlier in the game.
 

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Great first half, seemed like they got away from it in the second half. Still, pretty good effort overall. Not sure how much was a result of the greyhounds good play, and how much was sudbury playing poorly.
 
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Great first half, seemed like they got away from it in the second half. Still, pretty good effort overall. Not sure how much was a result of the greyhounds good play, and how much was sudbury playing poorly.
More of the latter in my opinion. This looks like Wolves teams of years past and not the contender that everyone expected them to be.
 
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Hounds have to play with(in the 4 year trade window):
3 2nd round picks ( 2 2024, 1 2027)
2 3rd round picks ( 1 2025, 1 2026)
7 4th round picks ( 3 2024, 2 2025, 1 2026, 1 2027)
4 5th round picks
3 6th round picks
4 7th round picks
3 8th round picks
4 9th round picks
3 10th round picks
4 11th round picks
6 12th round picks
4 13th, 14th & 15th round picks
 
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Hounds have to play with(in the 4 year trade window):
3 2nd round picks ( 2 2024, 1 2027)
2 3rd round picks ( 1 2025, 1 2026)
7 4th round picks ( 3 2024, 2 2025, 1 2026, 1 2027)
4 5th round picks
3 6th round picks
4 7th round picks
3 8th round picks
4 9th round picks
3 10th round picks
4 11th round picks
6 12th round picks
4 13th, 14th & 15th round picks
Would have to blow everything and a couple of young skaters just to even compete. Saginaw just added 2 studs for pretty cheap and they still have the about the same amount of assets we have now.

Unless raftis can work absolute magic, I'm not sure we have enough and our holes are too big. IMO.
 

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Would have to blow everything and a couple of young skaters just to even compete. Saginaw just added 2 studs for pretty cheap and they still have the about the same amount of assets we have now.

Unless raftis can work absolute magic, I'm not sure we have enough and our holes are too big. IMO.

The online database website for Saginaws draft picks are wrong, just a heads up
 

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The question I'd put out there is this...

If forced to choose between making a run this season and making a run in Martin/Hayes 19 year old season, which would you pick?

I don't want to be here again in a few years debating whether we have enough skill around Martin, debating whether our goaltending is strong enough, debating whether we have enough assets in the cupboard to keep up at trade deadline time...
 

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We don't have to make a decision yet, and if I were Raftis I would be waiting as long as possible to decide. But if forced right now, I am not convinced this is the group that will get it done.

The quote after last game was that they haven't yet put together 60 minutes of good hockey. What does that tell you?
 
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We don't have to make a decision yet, and if I were Raftis I would be waiting as long as possible to decide. But if forced right now, I am not convinced this is the group that will get it done.

The quote after last game was that they haven't yet put together 60 minutes of good hockey. What does that tell you?
It tells me that we see the same clichès used every year.
 

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The question I'd put out there is this...

If forced to choose between making a run this season and making a run in Martin/Hayes 19 year old season, which would you pick?

I don't want to be here again in a few years debating whether we have enough skill around Martin, debating whether our goaltending is strong enough, debating whether we have enough assets in the cupboard to keep up at trade deadline time...
I'd be building around the 06/07 group.

We have a really good team this year. But we would have to win the ohl championship to get to the mem cup. Idk if we can accomplish that with this group. We have a really good nucleus but not enough picks to build. Can get maybe 2 players tops, and even if it's rekoph and brustewic or something like that I still don't think itll be enough.
If I'm wrong, and I hope I am, I'll admit it at that time.
 

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Would have to blow everything and a couple of young skaters just to even compete. Saginaw just added 2 studs for pretty cheap and they still have the about the same amount of assets we have now.

Unless raftis can work absolute magic, I'm not sure we have enough and our holes are too big. IMO.
McNamara, Zhugin, home grown OA Mancini, 2, 2 in exchange for Christopolous, Dionicio, 3, 3 is an improvement, but not cheap imo.
 

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whatever Raftis does, he cannot include Martin or Hayes, or future draft picks in any trade he
may make this year.
Now if he can improve the team with player in , player out scenario, all the power to him.
possible candidates to be traded : Fantino, Kostov, Brown, ?
 

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Hayes cannot be traded, no concern there.
Future draft picks and young players are the most likely candidate for trade. Fantino won't fetch much if anything being an '04.

Next year's roster after most likely graduations:

Mignosa R - Allard L (OA) - Cloutier R
Fantino R (OA) - Martin R - Hayes R
Clattenburg L - Brown L - Kostov R
x - Vader L - x

Carlisle L (OA) - Gibson R
Brodie L - Virgilio R
Evans L - Solomon R

Schenkel R (OA)
Miller L
 
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Hayes cannot be traded, no concern there.
Future draft picks and young players are the most likely candidate for trade. Fantino won't fetch much if anything being an '04.

Next year's roster after most likely graduations:

Mignosa R - Allard L (OA) - Cloutier R
Fantino R (OA) - Martin R - Hayes R
Clattenburg L - Brown L - Kostov R
x - Vader L - x

Carlisle L (OA) - Gibson R
Brodie L - Virgilio R
Evans L - x

Schenkel R (OA)
Miller L
this is assuming we stand pat leading up to and at trade deadline...throw Solomon into the mix as a 6th D-man and Schenkel won't likely be back as an OA unless he stands on his head the rest of the season...we'll likely also have 1-2 new Imports on the roster next season
 
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