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SSM Greyhounds 2022-23 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

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Preseason schedule:

Sunday, September 3 – Sudbury at Sault Ste. Marie, 2:07pm

Wednesday, September 20 – Sault Ste. Marie at Sudbury, 7:05pm

Friday, September 22 – Saginaw at Sault Ste. Marie, 7:07pm

Saturday, September 23 – Sault Ste. Marie at Saginaw, 7:05pm

Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.
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Riverfront said:
(1) gibson
(2) kudryavtsev
(3) karki
(4) virgilio
(5) evans
(6) carlisle
(7) van de ven
(8) McConnell - Barker
(9) Toms
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I'd wager
1 - Kudryavtsev
2 - Gibson
3 - Karki
4 - Virgilio
5 - Carlisle
6 - Evans
7 - McConnell Barker

if they are going for youth, i'd keep BMB over Van De Ven. Unless van de ven starts dropping the mitts or something.

unfortunately i can't see Toms being a piece of this year moving forward.
 
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Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.
ontariohockeyleague.com ontariohockeyleague.com
 
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Ontario Hockey League

The OHL consists of 20 member teams, including 17 in the province of Ontario as well as three in the United States, with two in the state of Michigan and one in the state of Pennsylvania.
ontariohockeyleague.com ontariohockeyleague.com
 
I thought I would bring a conversation over here from the "Big Fish" thread. A more appropriate place to discuss whether or not the Soo has experienced lean years under Raftis and is heading towards more.

Let's start by talking about results:

Torrie:
2003-2004 9th, missed playoffs
2004-2005 2nd, 1st round exit
2005-2006 8th, 1st round exit
2006-2007 5th, 2nd round exit
2007-2008 2nd, 3rd round exit
2008-2009 10th, missed playoffs
2009-2010 5th, 1st round exit
2010-2011 10th, missed playoffs
Dubas:
2011-2012 9th, missed playoffs
2012-2013 6th, 1st round exit
2013-2014 2nd, 2nd round exit
Raftis:
2014-2015 1st, 3rd round exit
2015-2016 7th, 2nd round exit
2016-2017 2nd, 2nd round exit
2017-2018 1st, 4th round exit
2018-2019 3rd, 2nd round exit
2019-2020 9th, missed playoffs
2020-2021 no season covid
2021-2022 4th, 2nd round exit
2022-2023 9th, missed playoffs

What has been debated on these boards is that the first 4 years under Raftis were teams primarily drafted by Dubas (bolded above). If you count the results from those years as Dubas' results, then Dubas has a great legacy here and Raftis looks much more ordinary. If you count those years as Raftis' results, then Raftis looks much better. But should they be counted as Raftis' results?

I can see the argument counting those years as Dubas years. Even in the fourth season after Dubas left (2017-2018) the entire 19 year old core were Dubas drafts with the exception of Sambrook and Raddysh. This is very different than when Dubas took over for Torrie. For example, in Dubas' 3rd season only one 19 year old remained from Torrie's draft (Murray), the rest were brought in by Dubas.

We are indeed going through some lean times since the summer of 2018. Finished outside the top 8 in the conference in 2 out of 4 seasons and best finish in those years was 3rd in the conference. Our best season can barely be called a contending season. Those seasons are definitely on Raftis.

We again have hopes of fielding a better team this season, but we start without a full picks cupboard. Compare our cupboard of picks over the next four years (2nds, 3rds) with other teams who have recently had down seasons and are looking to contend again this season or next:
Soo (4, 3)
Brantford (6, 5)
Mississauga (7, 4)
Saginaw (6, 5)

These teams have set themselves up with more picks going into their contending windows, giving themselves more resources to hopefully push their team over the finish line when the team is ready to compete. I fear we will again fall short with probably another 2nd round exit. This has been brought up by many Soo posters. Just trying to provide context to the argument.
 
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HockeyPops said:
I thought I would bring a conversation over here from the "Big Fish" thread. A more appropriate place to discuss whether or not the Soo has experienced lean years under Raftis and is heading towards more.

Let's start by talking about results:

Torrie:
2003-2004 9th, missed playoffs
2004-2005 2nd, 1st round exit
2005-2006 8th, 1st round exit
2006-2007 5th, 2nd round exit
2007-2008 2nd, 3rd round exit
2008-2009 10th, missed playoffs
2009-2010 5th, 1st round exit
2010-2011 10th, missed playoffs
Dubas:
2011-2012 9th, missed playoffs
2012-2013 6th, 1st round exit
2013-2014 2nd, 2nd round exit
Raftis:
2014-2015 1st, 3rd round exit
2015-2016 7th, 2nd round exit
2016-2017 2nd, 2nd round exit
2017-2018 1st, 4th round exit
2018-2019 3rd, 2nd round exit
2019-2020 9th, missed playoffs
2020-2021 no season covid
2021-2022 4th, 2nd round exit
2022-2023 9th, missed playoffs

What has been debated on these boards is that the first 4 years under Raftis were teams primarily drafted by Dubas (bolded above). If you count the results from those years as Dubas' results, then Dubas has a great legacy here and Raftis looks much more ordinary. If you count those years as Raftis' results, then Raftis looks much better. But should they be counted as Raftis' results?

I can see the argument counting those years as Dubas years. Even in the fourth season after Dubas left (2017-2018) the entire 19 year old core were Dubas drafts with the exception of Sambrook and Raddysh. This is very different than when Dubas took over for Torrie. For example, in Dubas' 3rd season only one 19 year old remained from Torrie's draft (Murray), the rest were brought in by Dubas.

We are indeed going through some lean times since the summer of 2018. Finished outside the top 8 in the conference in 2 out of 4 seasons and best finish in those years was 3rd in the conference. Our best season can barely be called a contending season. Those seasons are definitely on Raftis.

We have hopes of fielding a better team this season, but we start without a full cupboard. Compare our cupboard of picks over the next four years (2nds, 3rds) with other teams who have recently had down seasons and are looking to contend again this season or next:
Soo (4, 3)
Brantford (6, 5)
Mississauga (7, 4)
Saginaw (6, 5)

These teams have set themselves up with more picks going into their contending windows, giving themselves more resources to push the team over the finish line when the team is ready to compete. I fear we will again fall short with probably another 2nd round exit. This has been brought up by many Soo posters. Just trying to provide context to the argument.
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2 seasons strongly affected by covid 19 should be noted, one draft where the league drafted entirely blind.

I also see a trend that shows Raftis being the better GM of the 3 mentioned above. ( missed the playoffs 2 times in 10 years, gave us a western conference championship, and almost an OHL championship)

The people using the "dubas years" for the first FOUR years of Raftis' tenure are literally grasping at straws to discredit his success because we fell short of a championship one year.

I'd also argue that some of those teams maybe have 2 or 3 more picks than us but we have some more bodies to move around as well in comparison to those teams, which could in turn lead to us having more picks by deadline.

I'm not gonna weigh in on the conversation about the teams future to compete until after camp.. but I am on the side of the fence that believes this team is a lot stronger than what we saw last year

Edit: not trying to argue any points or discredit points at all, just stating how I feel. I totally get the point of view.
 
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For a team to project to be competitive IMHO it would have to clearly be a team that will finish in the top 4 in their conference. At this point Saginaw, London, Owen Sound and Guelph are looking to be those teams. The Soo will finish anywhere from 5th to 8th. Likely not getting by the 1st round.

The better team of Soo, Windsor, Flint will determine 5 through 7.

Now we all know what predictions are worth so go ahead and remind me in March if I was even close.
 
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Hfp92 said:
Hockey operation changes in the Soo are official now.

Assistant coach Brent Hughes & Goaltending coach Matt Smith will no longer be with the Soo Greyhounds.

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Matt Smith is now the new goaltending coach for OS Attack.

Hey Soo fans.
Heading up this Friday to see Agawa Canyon.

Got a couple suggestions for touristy things/ sightseeing Sunday and your favorite family restaurant ?

Thank you !!
Looking forward to vacationing in your city 😀
 
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