Blue Jays Discussion: Spring Training Discussion: Countdown to the Season (Thursday at 3pm ET/noon PT)

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[Bjindaho]

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Thrown out of the game means not allowed in the bullpen. The field of play with regards to an ejection is basically anywhere within the stadium that has direct line of sight to the field (including the stands and the runway to the dugout)

In this particular case, Lance Lynn was 100% in the wrong regardless of what he thought of the call.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Thrown out of the game means not allowed in the bullpen. The field of play with regards to an ejection is basically anywhere within the stadium that has direct line of sight to the field (including the stands and the runway to the dugout)

In this particular case, Lance Lynn was 100% in the wrong regardless of what he thought of the call.

I didn't know that and it makes sense. I only posted because of umpire being the same regardless

 

[Stephen]

Joey Votto is the Jays Mark Giordano.

 

[dredeye]

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The fact that the mlb hasn’t canned this clown by now is insanity. The fans and players alike hate him for being so bad at his job and then adding on to that having a fragile ego. They need to at the very least start disciplining the umps

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The fact that the mlb hasn’t canned this clown by now is insanity. The fans and players alike hate him for being so bad at his job and then adding on to that having a fragile ego. They need to at the very least start disciplining the

 

[Bjindaho]

The fact that the mlb hasn’t canned this clown by now is insanity. The fans and players alike hate him for being so bad at his job and then adding on to that having a fragile ego. They need to at the very least start disciplining the umps


The fact that the mlb hasn’t canned this clown by now is insanity. The fans and players alike hate him for being so bad at his job and then adding on to that having a fragile ego. They need to at the very least start disciplining the

There's no reason to argue with an ump during a spring training game, though.

Compare that to Kikuchi, who threw multiple pitches down the middle last game and had them called balls and just kept throwing since the point of spring training is to progress towards the season.

 

[dredeye]

There's no reason to argue with an ump during a spring training game, though.

Compare that to Kikuchi, who threw multiple pitches down the middle last game and had them called balls and just kept throwing since the point of spring training is to progress towards the season.

Some people don’t get frustrated as easily as others. There’s no reason for an ump to throw a pitcher out of a pre season game either. That’s his MO and it’s played out. He’s a clown and awful at his job. Did Lynn need to argue calls no not at all. But they are in spring trying to stretch themselves out and it’s the same for KiKuchi. If he throws too many pitches in an inning he’ll get pulled early which hurts him. I get Angel didn’t “do anything wrong” even with the bullpen stuff but like you said it’s spring training did he really need to sweat Lynn stretching himself out in the bullpen in a spring training game?

 

[Suntouchable13]

There's no reason to argue with an ump during a spring training game, though.

Compare that to Kikuchi, who threw multiple pitches down the middle last game and had them called balls and just kept throwing since the point of spring training is to progress towards the season.

Well, to be fair, Kikuchi is one of the most mild-mannered and polite players in MLB. I don’t think I have ever seen him argue a call.

 

[Bjindaho]

Some people don’t get frustrated as easily as others. There’s no reason for an ump to throw a pitcher out of a pre season game either. That’s his MO and it’s played out. He’s a clown and awful at his job. Did Lynn need to argue calls no not at all. But they are in spring trying to stretch themselves out and it’s the same for KiKuchi. If he throws too many pitches in an inning he’ll get pulled early which hurts him. I get Angel didn’t “do anything wrong” even with the bullpen stuff but like you said it’s spring training did he really need to sweat Lynn stretching himself out in the bullpen in a spring training game?

I think some players look for excuses to shit on Angel. I watched the replay quickly and didn't think it was an egregious call. Lynn was yelling at Angel after the call he didn't like then went out of his way to mock Angel, which got him tossed.

 

[Bjindaho]

Let me phrase this another way

Angel is objectively not a good ump

I believe he's about the 4th worst ump. That being said, the perception that he's the worst comes from a combination of players picking fights and reporters choosing to single him out.

While I dont agree with his stance that racism has cost him playoffs, but I do believe that racism plays a huge part of why guys pick fights with him and not white umpires who are objectively worse.

 

[Kurtz]

Let me phrase this another way

Angel is objectively not a good ump

I believe he's about the 4th worst ump. That being said, the perception that he's the worst comes from a combination of players picking fights and reporters choosing to single him out.

While I dont agree with his stance that racism has cost him playoffs, but I do believe that racism plays a huge part of why guys pick fights with him and not white umpires who are objectively worse.

Or instead of straining to make that silly accusation we can just go with the facts before us that tell us that he really is the worst ump in baseball, and has a terribly itchy trigger finger on top of it:

Umpire Ángel Hernández Finishes Regular Season With Worst Rating in MLB

According to Umpire Auditor, the infamous Ángel Hernández had 161 bad calls in 10 games after missing time with a back injury.

www.si.com

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Let me phrase this another way

Angel is objectively not a good ump

I believe he's about the 4th worst ump. That being said, the perception that he's the worst comes from a combination of players picking fights and reporters choosing to single him out.

While I dont agree with his stance that racism has cost him playoffs, but I do believe that racism plays a huge part of why guys pick fights with him and not white umpires who are objectively worse.

This seems like a complete stretch. It has to do with him being a shitty umpire who likes to make himself the forefront of a game, than it does about his race. Not everything has to do with or be about race...

 

[Bjindaho]

Or instead of straining to make that silly accusation we can just go with the facts before us that tell us that he really is the worst ump in baseball, and has a terribly itchy trigger finger on top of it:

Umpire Ángel Hernández Finishes Regular Season With Worst Rating in MLB

According to Umpire Auditor, the infamous Ángel Hernández had 161 bad calls in 10 games after missing time with a back injury.

www.si.com

Which again is refuted by actually looking at their source, which said he was 2nd worst.

Edit: apparently, I had umpire scorecards open instead of umpire auditor.

Nevertheless, it's a 10 game sample after missing a ton of time.

This seems like a complete stretch. It has to do with him being a shitty umpire who likes to make himself the forefront of a game, than it does about his race. Not everything has to do with or be about race...

I agree with the sentiment but how often do you see an ump called out by name by players?

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I agree with the sentiment but how often do you see an ump called out by name by players?

I'm not certain. But I thought Joe West had a pretty bad reputation himself amongst the players.

 

[Kurtz]

Which again is refuted by actually looking at their source, which said he was 2nd worst.


I agree with the sentiment but how often do you see an ump called out by name by players?

Lol.

This is some next-level gaslighting. The whole baseball world, from fans to players, regardless of creed or colour, hates the guy because he is objectively the worst ump in the game.

 

[Bjindaho]

I'm not certain. But I thought Joe West had a pretty bad reputation himself amongst the players.

Joe West did and was terrible, but while players complained about him, they complained about specific calls they disagreed with, as opposed to attacking Joe West himself.

There's a big difference between "That was a strike" and his comment, which attacks Angel Hernandez the person.

 

[Bjindaho]

Lol.

This is some next-level gaslighting. The whole baseball world, from fans to players, regardless of creed or colour, hates the guy because he is objectively the worst ump in the game.

No, he isnt. He is objectively a bad ump, but the worst is definitely a stretch.

In the past 5 years total, he's 94th of 120 umps in accuracy. Before that, we only have MLB's internal grading to use, but they had him as an average umpire.

For example, Brian O'Nora has been a worse ump over the same period (and was arrested for sex trafficking) but doesn't face public ridicule for his ineptitude.

 

[Kurtz]

No, he isnt. He is objectively a bad ump, but the worst is definitely a stretch.

In the past 5 years total, he's 94th of 120 umps in accuracy. Before that, we only have MLB's internal grading to use, but they had him as an average umpire.

For example, Brian O'Nora has been a worse ump over the same period (and was arrested for sex trafficking) but doesn't face public ridicule for his ineptitude.

Dude...google "worst ump in baseball". Every article will be about Angel. This is no mere hyperbole, quite literally every piece will lead with Hernandez. In addition to him being statistically the worst or amongst the very worst, you can find dozens of videos of him missing calls by a comically large margin, and I'm not talking strictly balls and strikes. He misses all kinds of calls, regardless of assignment, and is then eager to throw out anyone who challenges him.

To accuse the whole baseball world of being racist against him is so patently absurd that I can't believe that anyone would choose that hill to die on.

 

[dredeye]

Let me phrase this another way

Angel is objectively not a good ump

I believe he's about the 4th worst ump. That being said, the perception that he's the worst comes from a combination of players picking fights and reporters choosing to single him out.

While I dont agree with his stance that racism has cost him playoffs, but I do believe that racism plays a huge part of why guys pick fights with him and not white umpires who are objectively worse.

What an absurd and baseless accusation to make. You are essentially implying that I to am a racist because I am also pointing at him as a terrible ump. In a sport where race appears to be pretty evenly spread between the black/white/Latin community. One where an Asian is considered to be on par or better than who is concidered to be the best of all time. A player every fan base was desperately hoping would come to their team. You honestly think Angel Hernandez is only dumped on because he’s not white. You should be embarrassed by yourself and you need to work on yourself and the racism you likely carry inside of you.

 

[Bjindaho]

Dude...google "worst ump in baseball". Every article will be about Angel. This is no mere hyperbole, quite literally every piece will lead with Hernandez. In addition to him being statistically the worst or amongst the very worst, you can find dozens of videos of him missing calls by a comically large margin, and I'm not talking strictly balls and strikes. He misses all kinds of calls, regardless of assignment, and is then eager to throw out anyone who challenges him.

To accuse the whole baseball world of being racist against him is so patently absurd that I can't believe that anyone would choose that hill to die on.

Arguing a call is an automatic ejection.

Again, I am not arguing that he's good, I am arguing that a bad ump is made to look worse.

 

[Bjindaho]

What an absurd and baseless accusation to make. You are essentially implying that I to am a racist because I am also pointing at him as a terrible ump. In a sport where race appears to be pretty evenly spread between the black/white/Latin community. One where an Asian is considered to be on par or better than who is concidered to be the best of all time. A player every fan base was desperately hoping would come to their team. You honestly think Angel Hernandez is only dumped on because he’s not white. You should be embarrassed by yourself and you need to work on yourself and the racism you likely carry inside of you.

Are you illiterate?

I literally called him a terrible ump. He is.

Debating on whether he's the worst is even fair. What IS racist is that certain umps who are not white have their mistakes highlighted repeatedly to make them look worse by players and the media.

There's a difference between you and I talking about Angel because of an incident involving him and a player creating an incident with Angel to have a reason to insult him (instead of just pitching better).

Keep in mind that Angel basically let Lynn argue balls and strikes for nearly a full inning and threw him out for insulting him after calling a close pitch a strike.

 

[GoonieFace]

Let me phrase this another way

Angel is objectively not a good ump

I believe he's about the 4th worst ump. That being said, the perception that he's the worst comes from a combination of players picking fights and reporters choosing to single him out.

While I dont agree with his stance that racism has cost him playoffs, but I do believe that racism plays a huge part of why guys pick fights with him and not white umpires who are objectively worse.

I like your posts, but this is utter BS.

 

[Discoverer]

Arguing a call is an automatic ejection.

Again, I am not arguing that he's good, I am arguing that a bad ump is made to look worse.

Angel Hernandez is the one who makes him look worse, and it's because of the way he reacts to complaints and arguments. He may not be objectively the worst, but he is among the worst. Yet none of the other terrible umps have a similar reputation for looking for arguments or having an absurdly quick trigger finger.

The idea that the players/managers he ejects are the problem is ridiculous. HE is the common denominator, and there's no reason to think the problem is everyone else in baseball.

 

[Bjindaho]

For anyone that didn't follow along, Angel made a call that was either correct or close enough to not really be worth arguing.

unlike his normal self, he was professional about it and Lynn was a complete dick.

I'm not arguing that Angel is good, I'm arguing that Lynn decided to be a dick (and that his comments don't help anyone)

 

[MK78]

Angel Hernandez is the one who makes him look worse, and it's because of the way he reacts to complaints and arguments. He may not be objectively the worst, but he is among the worst. Yet none of the other terrible umps have a similar reputation for looking for arguments or having an absurdly quick trigger finger.

The idea that the players/managers he ejects are the problem is ridiculous. HE is the common denominator, and there's no reason to think the problem is everyone else in baseball.

It's been proven by his silly lawsuits that he is the problem, not baseball.

He will unfortunately remain a pain in everyone's ass until he retires due to the ump union protecting a very bad umpire and a worse person.