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Proposal: Spicy Buffalo Chychrun

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Panthaz89 said:
I really don't get the peeps against this simply because he doesn't play the right side or isn't a pure defensive Dman he is a massive upgrade for us teams often have guys playing on their weak side he's way better than out bottom pair and a vetted enough to help the younger D out. We are already sheltering our 3rd pair way too much and guys like Bryson still get whomped in easy minutes.
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For me those are a couple of the reasons why this trade would worry me. One one hand what if he comes here and our defense looks a lot better. On the other hand, like you mention, he plays LD. What if they put Power to RD as a rookie still learning the NHL game, and his game goes to crap? Or we put him on the bottom pairing as a LD I suppose. The other problem is he's on the shelf a lot. Yeah players get hurt all the time, but he seems to be hurt a lot more then most. The other thing that worries me is his contract. It's long enough that we can't negotiate anything but still short enough to make it a really bad trade if he walks in two years. Honestly I just don't know and I sway back and forth if we should go after him or not. I just have to put my faith in Adams thay he makes the right decision one way or the other.
 
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Panthaz89 said:
I really don't get the peeps against this simply because he doesn't play the right side or isn't a pure defensive Dman he is a massive upgrade for us teams often have guys playing on their weak side he's way better than out bottom pair and a vetted enough to help the younger D out. We are already sheltering our 3rd pair way too much and guys like Bryson still get whomped in easy minutes.
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but he’s not the player that they need on defence
Sabres need a big steady defence similar to the cobra
The cost of him is more than the value to the Sabres. 2nd picks are in play but can’t see spending crazy for c
 
Panthaz89 said:
I really don't get the peeps against this simply because he doesn't play the right side or isn't a pure defensive Dman he is a massive upgrade for us teams often have guys playing on their weak side he's way better than out bottom pair and a vetted enough to help the younger D out. We are already sheltering our 3rd pair way too much and guys like Bryson still get whomped in easy minutes.
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on buffalo he woukd be 3LD
you don’t mortgage the future on that.
 
Panthaz89 said:
I really don't get the peeps against this simply because he doesn't play the right side or isn't a pure defensive Dman he is a massive upgrade for us teams often have guys playing on their weak side he's way better than out bottom pair and a vetted enough to help the younger D out. We are already sheltering our 3rd pair way too much and guys like Bryson still get whomped in easy minutes.
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You're talking about spending the equivalent of 3-4 1st round picks (bearing in mind that our 1st is worth substantially more than one from a guaranteed playoff team, especially if we're only getting top 5 protection on it) for a guy who's either going to come here and play on his off hand for 2 years or force you to play one of him/Dahlin/Power in bottom pairing minutes. And for sure you're forced to take one of those guys off the PP. Why would you sell the house for that? The relationship between value and fit just isn't there. To spend that many quality assets on a player, he needs to really be a great fit for your team, not just worth that much stuff in a value vacuum. Chychrun isn't for the Sabres.
 
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Djp said:
No…too much.

Rosen or 2014 1st..not both
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Its going to have to be both and why not? They have Ostlund, Kulich, Rosen and Savoie. They already have so many good young players up front there are only so many spots. If I am buffalo I probably try and keep my first and trade two of the forward prospects as the base. Then draft a D man this year.

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Having watched the Lightning roll out a LD lineup of Hedman, McDonough, and Sergachev, there is very much a way to make having three excellent LD work.
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Bingo and Chychrun can move up to RD if they are trailing in a game.

These two teams make the most sense by far. Just get it done!

hamzarocks said:
Yo imma be honest

Screw the Sabres and come deal with Toronto

Sandin + Knies + 2023 1st + 2024 1st for chychrun@50% + Crouse
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Buffalo has better assets and more disposable assets. Plus you just throw in Crouse lol.
 
rt said:
What makes it amendable to both sides?

AZ adds Bjugstad, while Buffalo removes Rosen, Portillo and the 2nd, in favor of Matthew Savoie, alone?

Chychrun and Bjugstad for Savoie and the T5P 1st?
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Portillo's value is not much unless he's willing to sign because he's a UFA. Mostly, the key bits in the original post are Rosen and a 1st. I think that's a ton of value, and I'd love to see what Buffalo could do with a scary top 4. Arizona likely wants another top guy, but all reports, and that's probably Savoie, and they are not getting him. He's a #9 overall from last year and likely a top 6 NHLer. Zero chance he moves.

To be honest, I can't see Buffalo moving the 2023 pick, either. Too strong a draft.

I could see Rosen (former 14th overall), Philly 2nd, Prokhor Poltapov (a former 33 overall in 2021), rights to Portillo and Aleksandr Kisakov moving. That's essentially a 1st and three seconds. With Portillo a great sweetener if he can be signed. Outside chance Noah Oslund (the 16th overall from 2022) could go in the deal somehow.

Arizona can probably get more elsewhere.

Listening to Sabres GM Kevyn Adams this week, he's not making a move for lots of prospects unless he's really not giving up a ton. To me, that means maybe our 4th best prospect overall in Rosen (debatable) a high 2nd and some B level prospect who is a top 10 in Buffalo system. I get why Arizona fans would dislike that.


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Chainshot said:
Having watched the Lightning roll out a LD lineup of Hedman, McDonough, and Sergachev, there is very much a way to make having three excellent LD work.
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Those guys have more discrete roles than Dahlin/Power/Chychrun could fairly be separated into. Hedman is the all-purpose #1 guy, but then McDonagh is more of a defensive specialist and Sergachev is more of an offensive specialist. You don't have those unique archetypes to break out the minutes/roles for this trio.

Again, for this many high quality assets, I just don't think the fit is good enough.
 
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Chainshot said:
Having watched the Lightning roll out a LD lineup of Hedman, McDonough, and Sergachev, there is very much a way to make having three excellent LD work.
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The solution was to give McDonagh no PP time.

Which one of the three gets that role in Buffalo? Benching power from the PP would neuter his development. Benching Chychrun and the value you get for the massive cost is even worse.

And no one is benching Dahlin ;)
 
Irie said:
The solution was to give McDonagh no PP time.

Which one of the three gets that role in Buffalo? Benching power from the PP would neuter his development. Benching Chychrun and the value you get for the massive cost is even worse.

And no one is benching Dahlin ;)
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It's not like Buffalo can't run two defensemen on their second PP. And the scrutiny of the league since the Matthews incident has Dahlin in the box so often that there are a few PP and 4-on-4 minutes available.
 
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It's not like Buffalo can't run two defensemen on their second PP. And the scrutiny of the league since the Matthews incident has Dahlin in the box so often that there are a few PP and 4-on-4 minutes available.
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If we get Chychrun, I think it's entirely possible that we run Dahlin AND Chychrun on PP1. Obviously Tuch, Thompson and Dahlin are locks for PP1. Skinner's probably a lock (though many wish he weren't).........but that right-dot spot has been a rotating thing all year. Chychrun's best offensive asset is his shot. Putting Chychrun at the right dot and having him and Dahlin rotate around might cause enough confusion to open things up.

I could see it working.
 
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Zman5778 said:
If we get Chychrun, I think it's entirely possible that we run Dahlin AND Chychrun on PP1. Obviously Tuch, Thompson and Dahlin are locks for PP1. Skinner's probably a lock (though many wish he weren't).........but that right-dot spot has been a rotating thing all year. Chychrun's best offensive asset is his shot. Putting Chychrun at the right dot and having him and Dahlin rotate around might cause enough confusion to open things up.

I could see it working.
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I still like Cozens in that role as entry and shot/pass option. He's able to finish from medium range and also rotate to play a bit low and in traffic. I was thinking the second unit with Power on the regular gets a bit dangerous with two creative guys on the back end but even still, there is a lot to Chychrun's defensive zone game that is a significant step up from what they have right now. Yes, it's possible his offensive contributions which are some of the foundation of what his acquisition cost is right now wind up suppressed. Yet in the meanwhile, they improve their ability to actually defend and get bigger/better in their top 4 TOI on the blueline.
 
Chainshot said:
Having watched the Lightning roll out a LD lineup of Hedman, McDonough, and Sergachev, there is very much a way to make having three excellent LD work.
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Agreed. People get too fixated on the which direction the stick is facing. Many of the guys like Dahlin, Power and JC can play offhand just as well.
 
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