Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[CanMerc]

I don't think we will get a ++ added to Lundell. I would hope for more, but don't expect much more.

I think if we did pull off a Helle for Lundell move, it will definitely have pluses.
Barron replaces Lundell at C for 3+ m less and we would be taking cap back…(Mikkola)…to make it work for FLA cap wise, then add a 2nd and possibly something else small

 

[Board Bard]

Here's how Helly's game save percentages since the Olympics sort out.

.900 or better -- 11 games
.800-.899 -- 7
.700-.799 -- 2
.699 or worse -- 1

11 good games and 10 not so good. That's a crapshoot. I guess Panthers could bet on a crapshoot, but they could probably find one cheaper than Helly would be.

 

[KingBogo]

I don't think that there ever was a Helle trade WITHOUT Lundell

It is starting to look like that is Chevy's line in the sand, and just maybe he out waited the Sens to set up the possibility.

 

[bustamente]

Yup, agreed. In theory panthers still could pull off a Helle trade for Lundell or Lundell with a small plus. Cap wise depending how players they need to sign not sure, but they still have Lundell available unless they view him as untouchable future 1c. Jets could also take Lundell plus another cap hit that could help us on D and make the panthers cap ,more manageable.

If the panthers are still in the Helle market, I can only see it being a trade including Lundell+. If he’s unavailable then I would think Helle would have to be willing to waive to some other teams or he’ll be back next year. Chevy won’t be giving away HElle for peanuts, albeit I did say the Lundell & 9th OA has always been a pipe dream.

I have mixed feelings on Brady going to the panthers, good and bad related to the NHL. I’ll say PMO must be laughing his ass off with having that forward group next year, I feel bad for other eastern teams playing against them so often. Bunch of chippy, pests/rats haha

They have to stay healthy or they will have another year like the last one

 

[Hunter368]

I don't think that there ever was a Helle trade WITHOUT Lundell

Agreed, according to DD Chevy would want a 2c plus……..I don’t see the Mackie or 9th OA picks being trading as a game stopper for a helle trade to the panthers, but it does reduce what they have to add to Lundell, if anything is being discussed, but I would assume panthers wouldn’t mind sending an extra cap hit out with Lundell (if he’s available) to get Helle.

 

[MardyBum]

I understand why they traded him. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that they'll be better now, etc. They've definitely got worse today. Lots of moves they can still make, for sure, but as of now, I'd say they're not a playoff team.



Several top 10 picks on their roster and they're in the "well this is better than 2 playoff games" category for fans on here.

If the reports about pushing hard for Robertson come to fruition for them, though, I'll change my tune completely


Lol large leap from "they're worse on the ice without him" to "you enjoy malcontent dipshits on your sports team". Apparently people on here enjoy watching bad hockey teams for 82 games in the hope to maybe be good in 5 years, if that's the kind of conclusions we're jumping to.



Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

Yeah, we get it, you're a San Jose fan, not a Habs fan.

It's okay to worry about ticket sales if a poor Winnipeg team is rebuilding but Brady was the golden goose in Ottawa

 

[Hunter368]

Here's how Helly's game save percentages since the Olympics sort out.

.900 or better -- 11 games
.800-.899 -- 7
.700-.799 -- 2
.699 or worse -- 1

11 good games and 11 not so good. That's a crapshoot. I guess Panthers could bet on a crapshoot, but they could probably find one cheaper than Helly would be.

Yup, they will have to decide what goalie their getting good Helle or not great Helle, but factor has to be the shit team and defence in front of him on the Jets this year……compared to having a much more talented group in Florida. We’ll see I guess.

 

[lanky]

I'm hoping Barron is at least good enough for a 2nd round pick at the deadline.

Maybe he has a career year like Stanley increases his value even more.

He plays with more heart and effort and speed than any other Jet. If we need to retool, we can sacrifice aging skill, but we can't sacrifice heart, or else the retool will fail.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't see how the Jets can trade Hellebuyck and also fill the hole that he leaves. The team needs average+ goaltending to make the playoffs, and unless a good goalie is coming back the other way, I don't know where that's gonna come from.

It will take another trade - which will open another hole. It is a game of whack-a-mole.

 

[DRW204]

I like Lundell, however, sub Helle add Lundell this team a Cup contender? Miss me with the Brossoit suggestion as a starter. The next season he plays 30+ gp will he his first. With the way contracts are outlined the Jets need to be contenders within 2 years

 

[MardyBum]

Seems like we could get a guy like Knies for 8 overall.

Trade 71 for ryan strome as well (12 points in 19 games after getting to calgary, same age as mark).

Connor - Scheifele - Perfetti
Knies - Strome/Yager - Vilardi
Barron - Lowry - Iafallo
Nino - Strome/UFA - Lambert

JoMo - Salo
Samberg - Pionk
Stanley (4x5) - Demelo

Helle

I think we're back in the playoffs, with a roster that could get on a run with some adds at the deadline. Ideally we trade Perfetti for a natural RW this offseason as well.

Yeah 8OA for a *good* winger is what the team needs.

True north makes some money, that's the important thing?

 

[Hunter368]

If helle is going to Panthers, it will be Lundell or Lundell small plus (another cap hit likely), but the pressure to get it done pre draft I assume goes down somewhat bc it won’t include any significant picks bc panthers have none. I’m sure Chevy might still want to get it done pre draft, so he can make other moves pre draft or at the draft to get a goalie or he might be working other angles like Hill or another goalie trade.

 

[CanMerc]

Agreed, according to DD Chevy would want a 2c plus……..I don’t see the Mackie or 9th OA picks being trading as a game stopper for a helle trade to the panthers, but it does reduce what they have to add to Lundell, if anything is being discussed, but I would assume panthers wouldn’t mind sending an extra cap hit out with Lundell (if he’s available) to get Helle.

FLA has like 8+m in cap space, with 18 contracted roster players
Hellebuyck is 8.5m
Lundell is 5m
Trading them would leave FLA with 4.5+m in cap space…adding Mikkola, 5m, ups their space to 9.5+mish…if they take Barron, 1.85m, with Hellebuyck, they still have 7.65+m to fill holes.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah 8OA for a *good* winger is what the team needs.

True north makes some money, that's the important thing?

Actually the potential exists for the Jets to have a much improved skater group. Lets say Knies for #8, and if Helly returns Lundell and Mikkola, we have become much improved everywhere but in net of course. We have 2 very good top 6 lines and an improved defense.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They are tough to watch. Lots of mistakes and slower hockey. I went to lots when we lost Jets 1.0 and I was boycotting the NHL by not watching on TV. Kept dreaming of the day when the NHL would return.

It wasn't the hockey that I didn't like, though you are right that it is clearly not the NHL.

It was the noise, the concessions, the whole experience off the ice. Mostly the noise. The music seemed about twice as loud as at Jets games, where it is already way too loud. And the guy with his finger on the noise button was so quick that it would be blasting before the whistle stopped blowing. I was cringing every time the ref put the whistle up to his mouth.

 

[tbcwpg]

Yeah, we get it, you're a San Jose fan, not a Habs fan.

It's okay to worry about ticket sales if a poor Winnipeg team is rebuilding but Brady was the golden goose in Ottawa

Not sure you've read anything I said, much less understood it. Not even sure what the San Jose thing even means.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Actually the potential exists for the Jets to have a much improved skater group. Lets say Knies for #8, and if Helly returns Lundell and Mikkola, we have become much improved everywhere but in net of course. We have 2 very good top 6 lines and an improved defense.

yeah if we are committed to going for it still I have a lot of time for Knies for 8oa. Big powerforward, only 23, and signed for another 6 years

 

[Hunter368]

FLA has like 8+m in cap space, with 18 contracted roster players
Hellebuyck is 8.5m
Lundell is 5m
Trading them would leave FLA with 4.5+m in cap space…adding Mikkola, 5m, ups their space to 9.5+mish…if they take Barron, 1.85m, with Hellebuyck, they still have 7.65+m to fill holes.

From a Jets pov, including DD comments a possible return could potentially include Lundell (2c) and a tougher D man to play vs, so 3rd pairing LHD or maybe a top 4 RHD, even if that means Jets need to add I guess. Might just end up being HElle for Lundell and Chevy then needs to address the D man and 4c else where.


Or just entire trade HElle to another team, but with the brothers united in Florida I would have to assume they are chirping management to get helle hard. Haha

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree that this is what I expect TNSE to do. However, that is a lot of "ifs buts and maybes" just to get to the Jets being "semi competitive" by your own admittance.

I would be all for a plan like this IF we still had Ehlers. I simply don't see how the Jets ever overcome the Ehlers size hole, even in the best case scenario if they trade Helle, get a legitimate 2C and maybe a 3rd line winger. Considering the Jets didn't even come close to getting it done with an elite winger and the best goalie in the league, I don't see how it is any better with solid 2C but minus the elite winger and the goalie. The Moose prospect pool looks apocalyptic for forwards so no help coming from there anytime soon and Salo is the one only near being an impact prospect on D. I also think we underestimate how difficult league average goaltending is to find, Edmonton has been trying for years to no success and is a much more attractive market. I also fear that even league average goaltending may not be enough as our top forwards are at times very bad defensively and have had to rely on Helle to paper over those cracks.

The version of the rebuild that you are proposing (and that I think TNSE is likely to do) seems much more demoralizing to me than ripping off the bandaid and maximizing values of the assets we have.

Never remove a band-aid slowly. Always rip it off.

 

[Board Bard]

3 things that are certain:
1) Panthers are not trading for Hellebuyck.
2) Panthers are not getting rid of Lundell.
3) There will be a thousand posts about a Helly-Lundell trade before the draft.

 

[Hunter368]

Actually the potential exists for the Jets to have a much improved skater group. Lets say Knies for #8, and if Helly returns Lundell and Mikkola, we have become much improved everywhere but in net of course. We have 2 very good top 6 lines and an improved defense.

I don’t hate Helle for Lundell and Mikkola, but I can’t imagine Knies can be had for 8th OA alone based on the rumours around the TDL Habs offer which was massive for him…….but I would love to get Knies, love him.

 

[Scheifele55]

If Florida offered Winnipeg 9, 25, 1st, 2nd I would have been in good negotiations.

 

[CanMerc]

From a Jets pov, including DD comments a possible return could potentially include Lundell (2c) and a tougher D man to play vs, so 3rd pairing LHD or maybe a top 4 RHD, even if that means Jets need to add I guess. Might just end up being HElle for Lundell and Chevy then needs to address the D man and 4c else where.


Or just entire trade HElle to another team, but with the brothers united in Florida I would have to assume they are chirping management to get helle hard. Haha

I don’t get the 4C thing if we are keeping Barron…drop Lowry to 4C and play Barron at 3C…
I honestly don’t see any needs in our bottom 6…we need a 2C, could really benefit from an upgrade at 1RW, possibly need a top 4 RHD but only if Salo won’t work out there, and definitely need a 3LHD

 

[flin flon bombers]

Why wouldn't they take a chance on Helly? He just won Gold for the USA and that is what they will double down on.

That's why I said I can see florida making a pitch for helle,but my point was that they are not giving up lundell plus for him,most every team and their dog is looking for a 2c and some are closer to winning.my biggest fear going into our last playoffs was helle after the previous 2 playoff performances and after a few of his first shot goals I could see the team felt it,so maybe gm's around the league share that same feeling about helle at least enough that they don't throw away a player a lot of teams covet and picks on top.maybe florida sees this past season and past 3 playoffs as a deep
Think moment before jumping in,but like I said stranger things have happened, and we can not dismiss the procedure on his knee this past season it may be nothing or it may have an effect going forward.

 

[KingBogo]

From a Jets pov, including DD comments a possible return could potentially include Lundell (2c) and a tougher D man to play vs, so 3rd pairing LHD or maybe a top 4 RHD, even if that means Jets need to add I guess. Might just end up being HElle for Lundell and Chevy then needs to address the D man and 4c else where.


Or just entire trade HElle to another team, but with the brothers united in Florida I would have to assume they are chirping management to get helle hard. Haha

That's what I'm thinking, also the Tkachuk brothers would be focused on the Olympics Helly they witnessed and it wouldn't even be in their thinking passed Helly playoff failures. It just seems to me the mountain Zito has climbed ends with a Helly trade to cap it off.