Speculation: Speculation, rumours and trade & free agency ideas thread

[Buffdog]

So is Helly the final shoe to drop in Florida? You don't put together that type of group without a goalie. Next move Helly for Lundell and Mikkola.

I was wondering the same thing

Just because Lundell wasn't on the table for a forward (lateral-ish move) doesn't mean he isn't isn't to fill a need at goalie

Also entirely possible (borderline probable?) that Chevy wan't interested on 9OA for Helle. Dreger specifically mentionned that he's looking for a roster 2C or D

 

[PitbulI]

After Florida just traded away their first round picks for Tkachuk, I'm not sure Florida has what it would take to get Helle.

 

[KingBogo]

The Hellebuyck deal fell through. That's why Sameskovich was dealt to Seattle and he didn't want to sign there.

I mean it'd still possible but Lundell and Mikkola along with many 2nds may have to head Winnipeg's way. But it's looking like if he is traded now it'll be the Golden Knights. Florida has almost no assets left to trade.

Why do you think the Helly deal fell through? The message has consistently been the return Chevy is looking for is a #2 C, a top 4 defenseman and another roster player. If anything a Helly deal to Florida is becoming more likely, as they still need a goalie and they now are better able to make Lundell expendable.

 

[Buffdog]

Well that was a disappointing update to wake up to. I was dreaming of draft picks and now it's looking like nothing will happen.

Honest question:

At the start of each season, would you rather see the Jets make the conference finals and lose, or have 3 picks in the 1st round (including one in the top 5)

 

[MardyBum]

Is it one or the other? At some point, your team that has been out of the playoffs for a number of years with a younger group needs to start getting in consistently. I'm not sure where this attitude amongst fans began where if your team is not going to contend for a Cup this year, you should just sell everyone off and tank for a few years. Ottawa did the tank strategy, got Tkachuk, Sanderson, Stutzle, Batherson, Grieg, Cozens and they are now more likely to miss the playoffs again than make it yet again. I'm sure all these younger players will be more than understanding that they'll be taking a step back again to "retool".

They've made the playoffs two years in a row. Brady had zero points in 4 games last playoffs, and if you haven't heard, might have caused a bit of a distraction in the lockerroom, and the org, with his potato IQ. Apparently you enjoy malcontent dipshits on your sports team

They moved on from the garbage at the right time since he wanted to move on.

 

[bustamente]

So is Helly the final shoe to drop in Florida? You don't put together that type of group without a goalie. Next move Helly for Lundell and Mikkola.

This would solve a couple of problems right of the bat, problem is we got a big hole in net but some time to figure that out

 

[CanMerc]

After Florida just traded away their first round picks for Tkachuk, I'm not sure Florida has what it would take to get Helle.

Hellebuyck + Barron for Lundell + Mikkola + 2nd +

Hellebuyck fills goalie need
Barron replaces Lundell at C

Hellebuyck 8.5m
Barron 1.85m
Total cap 10.35m

Lundell fills 2C need
Mikkola fills 3LHD need

Lundell 5m
Mikkola 5m
Total cap 10m

 

[KingBogo]

I was wondering the same thing

Just because Lundell wasn't on the table for a forward (lateral-ish move) doesn't mean he isn't isn't to fill a need at goalie

Also entirely possible (borderline probable?) that Chevy wan't interested on 9OA for Helle. Dreger specifically mentionned that he's looking for a roster 2C or D

Florida now has an all star team top 6. Literally it is an all star top 6. They can now move Lundell + for a Vezina goalie.

 

[Daximus]

Honest question:

At the start of each season, would you rather see the Jets make the conference finals and lose, or have 3 picks in the 1st round (including one in the top 5)

Depends on what the outlook is for the season after that and after that. Back in 2018 when the future was bright I'd take playoffs on a potentially deep run. Right now? Futures rules. Let's be reality we ain't making the conference finals next year.

 

[DRW204]

 

[gojetsgo]

Why do you think the Helly deal fell through? The message has consistently been the return Chevy is looking for is a #2 C, a top 4 defenseman and another roster player. If anything a Helly deal to Florida is becoming more likely, as they still need a goalie and they now are better able to make Lundell expendable.

that person just spams deals as if he has inside info lol, he kept claiming how we were going to trade vilardi to philly over and over again

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The fans delusions about the value of draft picks when it comes to proven talent is too much. People thought that 9th pick for Tkachuk was too much

You don't find player like him very often and not ones with the consistency of what he will bring to that team. Thats a nasty group of forwards to deal with

I think there is play for a goalie maybe its Helly but I am not sure what the cost would be now those 1sts are gone. I still think they don't want to move Lundell as they love the 3 line hockey they will play with Barkov/Bennett/Lundell down the middle.

4 2nds for Helly I probably don't budge for that.

 

[voyageur]

Do you think there's maybe a genetic or cultural issue holding back Swedish goalies from winning the Cup? They've won Olympic golds, so they're on the same footing as Hellebuyck in that regard, at least.

Morgan Barron might be worth as much as mid-round pick or a 3rd liner. Trading him would really kick of the rebuild with a bang!

Genetics...

I mean Canadians, Americans, Russians, Czechs, now a Dane have won the Cup. Finns have been closer. Pelle Lindberg probably the closest. Or Hank.

But there's the Tommy Salo syndrome maybe.

I'm hoping Barron is at least good enough for a 2nd round pick at the deadline.

Maybe he has a career year like Stanley increases his value even more.

 

[Daximus]

So looks like everyone is after Lundell and he ain't moving. I don't see any other teams that has the assets to make this deal right now if Florida is out so looking like we are running back friends.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Why do you think the Helly deal fell through? The message has consistently been the return Chevy is looking for is a #2 C, a top 4 defenseman and another roster player. If anything a Helly deal to Florida is becoming more likely, as they still need a goalie and they now are better able to make Lundell expendable.

Winnipeg wanted the 9th overall pick. The trade was supposed to be 9th Overall Pick, Mackie Sameskovich and Niko Mikkola. Sameskovich didn't want to sign here, 9th overall was traded for Brady, and Mikkola is still possible.

I mean, it could've been Lundell to Ottawa but didn't want to trade him within their conference. So maybe that's why he could be a Jet.

 

[KingBogo]

.845 is just a few notches below helles .866 over a year ago tht was followed up with a bad regular season this year,I can't see Panthers wanting to give up alot and find out helle may not be a playoff goalie that has 6 years of. Contract left,I can see them making a pitch but it won't include Lundell never mind a Lundell plus,brady only cost them one top 10 pick and a 25 and what may be another 25ish pick,helle is not bringing back what some sem to think,personally I feel the Jets will get a first from a team but stranger things have happened.

Why wouldn't they take a chance on Helly? He just won Gold for the USA and that is what they will double down on.

 

[gojetsgo]

The fans delusions about the value of draft picks when it comes to proven talent is too much. People thought that 9th pick for Tkachuk was too much

You don't find player like him very often and not ones with the consistency of what he will bring to that team. Thats a nasty group of forwards to deal with

I think there is play for a goalie maybe its Helly but I am not sure what the cost would be now those 1sts are gone. I still think they don't want to move Lundell as they love the 3 line hockey they will play with Barkov/Bennett/Lundell down the middle.

4 2nds for Helly I probably don't budge for that.

really? you wouldn't trade helle for that incredible package of 4 2nd round picks?

 

[Buffdog]

Florida now has an all star team top 6. Literally it is an all star top 6. They can now move Lundell + for a Vezina goalie.

And Verhaeghe and Marchand on the 3rd line already

 

[Oseductive]

Honest question:

At the start of each season, would you rather see the Jets make the conference finals and lose, or have 3 picks in the 1st round (including one in the top 5)

I’d like the Jets to build a cup contender and they have but their window is closed with this core

 

[KingBogo]

Winnipeg wanted the 9th overall pick. The trade was supposed to be 9th Overall Pick, Mackie Sameskovich and Niko Mikkola. Sameskovich didn't want to sign here, 9th overall was traded for Brady, and Mikkola is still possible.

I mean, it could've been Lundell to Ottawa but didn't want to trade him within their conference. So maybe that's why he could be a Jet.

How do you know Winnipeg wanted #9. That was never mentioned by anyone. The message has consistently been a #2 center and a top 4 D, for Helly.

 

[snowkiddin]

So looks like everyone is after Lundell and he ain't moving. I don't see any other teams that has the assets to make this deal right now if Florida is out so looking like we are running back friends.

Wonder if Detroit and Winnipeg were both firm on wanting Lundell for Larkin/Helle and that’s why Florida pivoted to Brady

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

And Verhaeghe and Marchand on the 3rd line already

FLA is disgusting now, three lines of pure talent and their fourth is pretty decent as well.

Honestly if I was the GM there I am not sure I would give up Lundell ++ for Helle, might be the better option to just look for a middling goalie free agent and run tandem with Bob re-signed.

 

[MelikeJets]

I went to a Moose game once. The game was not bad. Appleton was the best player on the ice. But I thoroughly disliked the experience. I will probably never go to another one.

They are tough to watch. Lots of mistakes and slower hockey. I went to lots when we lost Jets 1.0 and I was boycotting the NHL by not watching on TV. Kept dreaming of the day when the NHL would return.

 

[Buffdog]

FLA is disgusting now, three lines of pure talent and their fourth is pretty decent as well.

Honestly if I was the GM there I am not sure I would give up Lundell ++ for Helle, might be the better option to just look for a middling goalie free agent and run tandem with Bob re-signed.

Like I said... it's all fun and games until your Temu goalie plays like shit and squanders your cup run... just ask the Oilers

YES... Helle could also shit the bed in the playoffs. But he has a better chance than anyone of actually carrying a team if they dip

 

[tbcwpg]

It’s not like they just traded Brady for the hell of it or because they wanted draft picks.

It was an open secret that he was angling to play in the States and wasn’t going to re-sign when his contract expired in two years. Did Ottawa really have the horses to be more than a wildcard team and first round fodder next year?

Sure, you can try to bank on your goalie getting hot and maybe going on a run, but apart from that they realistically weren’t going to be doing anything anyway.

If you know you’re far off from winning, and you know Tkachuk is leaving soon anyway, what do you gain from holding on to him until he walks?

And that completely ignores any of the PR/political distractions that were gonna be there this year no matter what your thoughts on politics are.

I understand why they traded him. I'm just disagreeing with the idea that they'll be better now, etc. They've definitely got worse today. Lots of moves they can still make, for sure, but as of now, I'd say they're not a playoff team.

It's just copium.
Ask any Sens fan if they'd rather have Brady walk for nothing, or a top 10 pick+

OK and if they do still have a top 10 pick+ out of it rather than nothing.

Several top 10 picks on their roster and they're in the "well this is better than 2 playoff games" category for fans on here.

If the reports about pushing hard for Robertson come to fruition for them, though, I'll change my tune completely

They've made the playoffs two years in a row. Brady had zero points in 4 games last playoffs, and if you haven't heard, might have caused a bit of a distraction in the lockerroom, and the org, with his potato IQ. Apparently you enjoy malcontent dipshits on your sports team

They moved on from the garbage at the right time since he wanted to move on.

Lol large leap from "they're worse on the ice without him" to "you enjoy malcontent dipshits on your sports team". Apparently people on here enjoy watching bad hockey teams for 82 games in the hope to maybe be good in 5 years, if that's the kind of conclusions we're jumping to.

Winnipeg wanted the 9th overall pick. The trade was supposed to be 9th Overall Pick, Mackie Sameskovich and Niko Mikkola. Sameskovich didn't want to sign here, 9th overall was traded for Brady, and Mikkola is still possible.

I mean, it could've been Lundell to Ottawa but didn't want to trade him within their conference. So maybe that's why he could be a Jet.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.