Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

[FIRE DRURY]

Moving Kreider's money to give Strome the bag is ridiculous. If you can move Kreider's contract, you are looking to re-sign your young guys or make a major upgrade.

Gorton had a terrific offer for Kreider and passed on it. I like Gorton a lot and was disappointed when him and JD were fired, but that was an idiotic decision.

I wouldn’t sign Strome long term. Even if we can move Kreider. My question was directed at those few who wouldn’t mind seeing Strome extended.

 

[Cag29]

Gorton had a terrific offer for Kreider and passed on it. I like Gorton a lot and was disappointed when him and JD were fired, but that was an idiotic decision.

I wouldn’t sign Strome long term. Even if we can move Kreider. My question was directed at those few who wouldn’t mind seeing Strome extended.

What was the offer for Kreider?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Sounds like he needs to learn this is a business.

Just to be clear, that answer is going to suck when it comes time for Laf/Kakko/Fox need extensions. We cant want players to love staying and be willing to take less to do so, but then get upset when its clear they did just that.

 

[Mac n Gs]

What was the offer for Kreider?

Jason Robertson and a first at the deadline (unsure how conditional that pick was)

 

[Cag29]

@RangerBoy

I dont think Buch would have settled on a 1yr deal. He got what he was looking for from the Blues and IMO, NYR didn't want another Zuccarello situation.

Buch wasn't too upset it seemed, at leaving either. I think player and team got what they wanted out of it even if the compensation was a little shy of optimal.

Unfortunately until the cap hits 100m teams are going to have to trade known commodities for futures.
We need to get it correct on young players (blais hopefully) and picks. Keep feeding the pipeline with young talent. LGR!

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Just to be clear, that answer is going to suck when it comes time for Laf/Kakko/Fox need extensions. We cant want players to love staying and be willing to take less to do so, but then get upset when its clear they did just that.

They traded Buch so they can keep guys like Lafreniere/Kakko/Fox.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Rangers have cap space this season. This is my spreadsheet. The last column are the performance bonuses. The Rangers have more than the 7.5% bonus cushion. $8.4M in bonuses. $6,112,500 is the cushion. The difference will be on the cap until those bonuses are not reachable. The roster is 13 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalkeepers. Add the buyout money. The Rangers have $10.3M in space. Add the remaining performance bonus money. The Rangers have $8,033,531 at the start of the season with this roster. Chris Drury has money to add a player(s) for this season and still leave the Rangers with flexibility to run the team. Leave space for performance bonuses.

Slight correction:

PBs:
Kravtsov $850,000
Kakko $2,650,000
Lafrenière $2,850,000
Miller $350,000
Fox $850,000
Barron $850,000
Lundkvist $850,000

$9,250,000 total, assuming these guys are all on the team.

$9,250,000 minus $6,112,500 = $3,137,500 as a performance bonus cushion. This is mandatory, by the way, until the bonuses are no longer achievable.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They traded Buch so they can keep guys like Lafreniere/Kakko/Fox.

I don’t think we can afford 30m for all 3 of them. Even with trading buch.

 

[LOFIN]

I don’t think we can afford 30m for all 3 of them. Even with trading buch.

Eventually not, but Kakko isn't getting a monster deal even if he absolutely lights it up this year. It would be a bridge. Laf and Fox I do belive both can get to around 10 million (Fox being the more likely one), but remains to be seen.

 

[Fitzy]

I don’t think we can afford 30m for all 3 of them. Even with trading buch.

Well we still don't know what Laf or Kakko's ceilings are. Kakko certainly isn't on pace to be a 10 million dollar player.

 

[JimmyG89]

Buch is gone let’s move on.

I don’t see how Barron makes this team unless 1 of 2 things happen;

1) Goodrow plays on the 4th line, getting only 6-10 minutes per night which would be a mistake and a waste of money spent.

2) The Rangers FO is ok with Barron playing 6-10 minutes per night, which would be dumb for his development. Because the reality is, at is stands today, he is not better or more suitable than the 9 players ahead of him for the Top 9. He is not better than Zib-Panarin-Laf-Kakko-Strome-Kravtsov-Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow. The Rangers told you what they thought of Kravtsov by not having him participate in the Prospect Development Camp and Games.

Barron should be in Hartford getting 17-20 minutes per night on the 1st Line as the #1 Center continuing to work at nailing down the nuances of the position. That is what is best for him and the Organization for THIS YEARS team. Maybe things change halfway through the season. Maybe we trade Strome, bump Chytil up and there’s your 3C spot if Barron shows he has earned it / ready for it.

I know some won’t like this but it is the reality. And its ok reality.

Barron had 21 points in 21 games in the AHL last season. There isn't much else for him to do at that level. He's going to be in the NHL at the beginning of the season and he is going to take away someone's ice time. Rooney, Hunt, Gauthier, Blais, or Reaves should not be a reason he cannot be on the 4th line. He should have been in the NHL sooner last season.

Gauthier is all but gone IMO. He gets waived and he gets claimed. Rooney and Hunt are strong 13th forwards, shouldn't block Barron from playing. Blais and Reaves are on the wings and if they view him as a center, should not impact his playing time. So it really comes down to Rooney or Barron at 4C, I'm having Barron in that role and not looking back. Who would you rather get elevated minutes in case of an in game injury? We had situations last season where Rooney was their 2C because he was their 3C going into the game. We don't need to do that again. What if we need to shake the lines because someone isn't performing? Let's ice the best team possible.

A 4th line of Blais-Barron-Reaves or Barron-Rooney-Blais is solid. Size, ability, can hit and skate well. Versatile line too. Those lines can get 10 minutes a night. Barron can be elevated onto other lines. Gallant isn't Quinn. He likes to spread time on ice. Check the TOI 5v5 for Vegas when he was there, it's well balanced. I'd much rather he get the time here than in Hartford. He's a big part of their future and having him on the big squad is the way to go.

 

[rangers1314]

I'm sorry if Buch is unhappy. But we didn't force him to sign a long term extension with the team he was traded to.

Sorry, where is this coming from that Buch is unhappy?

 

[NYR Viper]

Barron had 21 points in 21 games in the AHL last season. There isn't much else for him to do at that level. He's going to be in the NHL at the beginning of the season and he is going to take away someone's ice time. Rooney, Hunt, Gauthier, Blais, or Reaves should not be a reason he cannot be on the 4th line. He should have been in the NHL sooner last season.

Gauthier is all but gone IMO. He gets waived and he gets claimed. Rooney and Hunt are strong 13th forwards, shouldn't block Barron from playing. Blais and Reaves are on the wings and if they view him as a center, should not impact his playing time. So it really comes down to Rooney or Barron at 4C, I'm having Barron in that role and not looking back. Who would you rather get elevated minutes in case of an in game injury? We had situations last season where Rooney was their 2C because he was their 3C going into the game. We don't need to do that again. What if we need to shake the lines because someone isn't performing? Let's ice the best team possible.

A 4th line of Blais-Barron-Reaves or Barron-Rooney-Blais is solid. Size, ability, can hit and skate well. Versatile line too. Those lines can get 10 minutes a night. Barron can be elevated onto other lines. Gallant isn't Quinn. He likes to spread time on ice. Check the TOI 5v5 for Vegas when he was there, it's well balanced. I'd much rather he get the time here than in Hartford. He's a big part of their future and having him on the big squad is the way to go.

Gallant is on record stating he doesn't like young players playing on his 4th line. Not enough opportunity. I think it's likely Barron starts the season in the AHL and gets called up should there be an injury or opportunity in the top-9

 

[duhmetreE]

I could see Mika Chytil Barron as our top9 in the future

Mika stays around here he is.
Chytil takes off in the 2way side of the game. Learning from Goodrow how to be a bull
Barron? Similar development as Chytil? yes.

 

[RGY]

Gallant is on record stating he doesn't like young players playing on his 4th line. Not enough opportunity. I think it's likely Barron starts the season in the AHL and gets called up should there be an injury or opportunity in the top-9

Thank you. Beat me to it.

And also — cmon with the 21 points in 21 AHL games as being the credibility for a promotion. They played against the same 4 teams in a shortened season. I am not saying it is completely meaningless, but lets not like he has nothing else to prove or nothing else to work on. He needs work at the Center position. What good does it do to play 6-10 minutes on the 4th line??? Yes I would rather watch Barron play over Rooney. I don’t really like Rooney at all. I think as the season went on he got a lot worse and looked like the NHL/AHL tweener he is. However, I would much rather do what is best for Barron’s development and future than what is best for mine or the rest of the fan base’s personal needs.

 

[SA16]

Barron had 21 points in 21 games in the AHL last season. There isn't much else for him to do at that level. He's going to be in the NHL at the beginning of the season and he is going to take away someone's ice time. Rooney, Hunt, Gauthier, Blais, or Reaves should not be a reason he cannot be on the 4th line. He should have been in the NHL sooner last season.

Gauthier is all but gone IMO. He gets waived and he gets claimed. Rooney and Hunt are strong 13th forwards, shouldn't block Barron from playing. Blais and Reaves are on the wings and if they view him as a center, should not impact his playing time. So it really comes down to Rooney or Barron at 4C, I'm having Barron in that role and not looking back. Who would you rather get elevated minutes in case of an in game injury? We had situations last season where Rooney was their 2C because he was their 3C going into the game. We don't need to do that again. What if we need to shake the lines because someone isn't performing? Let's ice the best team possible.

A 4th line of Blais-Barron-Reaves or Barron-Rooney-Blais is solid. Size, ability, can hit and skate well. Versatile line too. Those lines can get 10 minutes a night. Barron can be elevated onto other lines. Gallant isn't Quinn. He likes to spread time on ice. Check the TOI 5v5 for Vegas when he was there, it's well balanced. I'd much rather he get the time here than in Hartford. He's a big part of their future and having him on the big squad is the way to go.

Well to start he can play a real AHL season instead of playing against only two watered down teams all year. There's plenty he can do in the AHL still.

18-19 Vegas Center TOI at 5v5:

Stastny: 14:17
Karlsson 14:03
Eakin 12:27
Bellemarre/Nosek 10:10 ish

20-21 NYR Center TOI at 5v5

Strome: 13:26
Zibanejad: 13:05
Chytil 12:08
Rooney: 10:09

Not seeing the difference.

 

[I Eat Crow]

What am I missing here? He's a bottom pairing defenseman still with some second pairing upside. Off ice issues?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Sorry, where is this coming from that Buch is unhappy?

he always looks angry or on the verge of tears so it’s probably being assumed?

 

[LOFIN]

What am I missing here? He's a bottom pairing defenseman still with some second pairing upside. Off ice issues?

A thread worthy of reading...

I don't know how much of this is truthful but still...

That said, aren't we stacked with D prospects already? So who cares about Niku, get us a C.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Would be so great to hold onto all of these prospects or sell them high.

This Covid cap is going to be tricky yet so thankful this roster isn’t like the old Rangers who are on a retirement clock.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Buch is gone let’s move on.

I don’t see how Barron makes this team unless 1 of 2 things happen;

1) Goodrow plays on the 4th line, getting only 6-10 minutes per night which would be a mistake and a waste of money spent.

2) The Rangers FO is ok with Barron playing 6-10 minutes per night, which would be dumb for his development. Because the reality is, at is stands today, he is not better or more suitable than the 9 players ahead of him for the Top 9. He is not better than Zib-Panarin-Laf-Kakko-Strome-Kravtsov-Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow. The Rangers told you what they thought of Kravtsov by not having him participate in the Prospect Development Camp and Games.

Barron should be in Hartford getting 17-20 minutes per night on the 1st Line as the #1 Center continuing to work at nailing down the nuances of the position. That is what is best for him and the Organization for THIS YEARS team. Maybe things change halfway through the season. Maybe we trade Strome, bump Chytil up and there’s your 3C spot if Barron shows he has earned it / ready for it.

I know some won’t like this but it is the reality. And its ok reality.

Barron will start in Hartford unless there’s an injury or someone pulls a B Smith and shows up fat. It’s a good thing and he’ll get 20-25 games this season

 

[RangerBoy]

What was the offer for Kreider?

Dallas Stars offered a 1st round pick and Jason Robertson for Kreider. Edge reported that here a few months ago.

 

[RangerBoy]

Slight correction:

PBs:
Kravtsov $850,000
Kakko $2,650,000
Lafrenière $2,850,000
Miller $350,000
Fox $850,000
Barron $850,000
Lundkvist $850,000

$9,250,000 total, assuming these guys are all on the team.

$9,250,000 minus $6,112,500 = $3,137,500 as a performance bonus cushion. This is mandatory, by the way, until the bonuses are no longer achievable.

You have Barron making the team.

 

[Fitzy]

I thought that the best way to ruin an offensive skating defenseman was to name him Julius Honka

 

[RangerBoy]

Gorton had a terrific offer for Kreider and passed on it. I like Gorton a lot and was disappointed when him and JD were fired, but that was an idiotic decision.

I wouldn’t sign Strome long term. Even if we can move Kreider. My question was directed at those few who wouldn’t mind seeing Strome extended.

Kreider's contract is structured under the pre-Covid system. The Rangers could trade him next summer. Kreider has a $5M signing bonus for 22-23 and his base salary is just $1M. Assuming the bonus is paid sometime in July 2022, the Rangers will have paid $24.5M of the $45.5M. Kreider has a NMC. He controls the situation.