Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

[jay from jersey]

Chytil last year: 12:08 5v5 per game
Eakin in 18/19 : 12:27 5v5 per game

Yea it’s pretty much the same all over. Top 6 guys get the brunt of the minutes no matter what. Those are also the guys that factor in majorly on special teams, no matter what team it is. Coaches like to play their horses.
If chytil is stuck in a 3rd line role all next season, I’d expect his time and stats to reflect it and not be very much different from the prior year. I also think it’s just a matter of time before Barron takes the 3C role. I think he’s more of the prototypical 3C that Gallant is looking for in his bottom 6.
Me wishing the rangers moved strome is basically 2 fold. I want chytil to get increased minutes, and I don’t want strome on a long term 6mill ( maybe more) deal.
This way we can see how chytil does in an increased atmosphere. He’ll either sink or swim. If he works out, great. If not, set their sights on a upgrade. Maybe a Thomas from STL rather then a Hertl or Larkin

 

[egelband]

As for Chytil, I don’t think he has taken the 2C role. Which is why he doesn’t have it. Be it injuries or opportunity, at some point it’s on the player. I’m not passing any judgment but just suggesting things simply may be unfolding for him at a normal, natural pace.

 

[RangerBoy]

As for Chytil, I don’t think he has taken the 2C role. Which is why he doesn’t have it. Be it injuries or opportunity, at some point it’s on the player. I’m not passing any judgment but just suggesting things simply may be unfolding for him at a normal, natural pace.

This season is Chytil's opportunity. Many young players found themselves or they broke into the NHL playing for Gerard Gallant. So many players in Florida such as Barkov, Huberdeau, Trochek, Marchessault & Ekblad. Karlsson,Tuch & Theodore in Vegas. Marchessault bounced from organization to organization. Rangers, Columbus & Tampa. He became a regular NHL player in 16-17 under Gallant. Marchessault scored 30 goals that year in Florida. Gallant was fired by the end of November of that season. The player had 9 goals playing under Gallant. He took advantage of the opportunity.

 

[RangerBoy]

Yea it’s pretty much the same all over. Top 6 guys get the brunt of the minutes no matter what. Those are also the guys that factor in majorly on special teams, no matter what team it is. Coaches like to play their horses.
If chytil is stuck in a 3rd line role all next season, I’d expect his time and stats to reflect it and not be very much different from the prior year. I also think it’s just a matter of time before Barron takes the 3C role. I think he’s more of the prototypical 3C that Gallant is looking for in his bottom 6.
Me wishing the rangers moved strome is basically 2 fold. I want chytil to get increased minutes, and I don’t want strome on a long term 6mill ( maybe more) deal.
This way we can see how chytil does in an increased atmosphere. He’ll either sink or swim. If he works out, great. If not, set their sights on a upgrade. Maybe a Thomas from STL rather then a Hertl or Larkin

How can the Rangers even afford to pay Strome? Assuming the Rangers keep Zibanejad, most of their cap space will go towards Mika(or Mike replacement) and Fox. The Rangers have to fill out their roster at forward and they need a back-up goaltender. Kakko could be in line for a big bridge contract. He has no arb rights but he will get more than the QO if Kaapo has a breakthrough season playing for Gallant.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How can the Rangers even afford to pay Strome? Assuming the Rangers keep Zibanejad, most of their cap space will go towards Mika(or Mike replacement) and Fox. The Rangers have to fill out their roster at forward and they need a back-up goaltender. Kakko could be in line for a big bridge contract. He has no arb rights but he will get more than the QO if Kaapo has a breakthrough season playing for Gallant.

We have Georgiev, Kincaid, Wall for back up right now. Add Garand for later. If Chytil hasn't played up to a 2c role then he will get a 3c contract i guess thats how you might pay Strome, if your 3 centers make say 17 mill thats workable for the short term. Or maybe Chytil gets replaced by Barron, and then you're saving money there too. Im not saying that would be my plan but its how its possible.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Also, i don't believe Chytil is who Panarin wants as his pivot. So if we are moving him into a top 6 role we should assume panarin plays with Zibanejad. Id actually prefer to have Laf, Zib, and Kakko...Strome with Panarin and Kravtsov...Kreider, Chytil and Goodrow. There's not many teams that can match those 3 lines, especially if the kids catch a little fire.

 

[SA16]

Yea it’s pretty much the same all over. Top 6 guys get the brunt of the minutes no matter what. Those are also the guys that factor in majorly on special teams, no matter what team it is. Coaches like to play their horses.
If chytil is stuck in a 3rd line role all next season, I’d expect his time and stats to reflect it and not be very much different from the prior year. I also think it’s just a matter of time before Barron takes the 3C role. I think he’s more of the prototypical 3C that Gallant is looking for in his bottom 6.
Me wishing the rangers moved strome is basically 2 fold. I want chytil to get increased minutes, and I don’t want strome on a long term 6mill ( maybe more) deal.
This way we can see how chytil does in an increased atmosphere. He’ll either sink or swim. If he works out, great. If not, set their sights on a upgrade. Maybe a Thomas from STL rather then a Hertl or Larkin

You don’t need to trade Strome prior to the season to do that. You can always just play Chytil on the second line and Strome on the third (or at wing) and see how it works. If it does, great, you can still trade Strome mid season or you have extra insurance due to injury. If it doesn’t work then it’s a good thing you still have the fall back option. If the coach isn’t willing to try Chytil there with Strome still on the team well maybe then he isn’t that good of a coach in the first place.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You don’t need to trade Strome prior to the season to do that. You can always just play Chytil on the second line and Strome on the third (or at wing) and see how it works. If it does, great, you can still trade Strome mid season or you have extra insurance due to injury. If it doesn’t work then it’s a good thing you still have the fall back option. If the coach isn’t willing to try Chytil there with Strome still on the team well maybe then he isn’t that good of a coach in the first place.

I believe this is the best action, i don't believe Strome makes it past the trade deadline but if he continues to be effective with Panarin you have contract talks in season and if you arent comfortable resigning him you move him for whatever st the deadline or if you feel you're better self renting him thats fine too.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Guy is probably getting D Day flashbacks

Gone B "D Day" at Shaddy Acres rest home later that night.

 

[IDvsEGO]

As for Chytil, I don’t think he has taken the 2C role. Which is why he doesn’t have it. Be it injuries or opportunity, at some point it’s on the player. I’m not passing any judgment but just suggesting things simply may be unfolding for him at a normal, natural pace.

I mean at the start of last year he was our best Center. Had he not gotten injured he probably would've had something closer to 40-50 points.

 

[leetch99]

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Not sure I buy the Selanne jabs anyway
Yes he never hit 70+ goals again,
but that very high-scoring era was ending by early '90's

After, he still had
5 seasons of 40-52 goals and
6 more 85-109 point seasons

That was not Frolik/Juneau-like

One thing for sure...the Rangers had nobody like him in those times . One other thing...the Jets had some offensive dmen and a couple of great centers in Steen and Zhamnov and a nice mix of toughness. Selanne also had 6 Hat Tricks that season .

 

[jay from jersey]

You don’t need to trade Strome prior to the season to do that. You can always just play Chytil on the second line and Strome on the third (or at wing) and see how it works. If it does, great, you can still trade Strome mid season or you have extra insurance due to injury. If it doesn’t work then it’s a good thing you still have the fall back option. If the coach isn’t willing to try Chytil there with Strome still on the team well maybe then he isn’t that good of a coach in the first place.

True. But I doubt they would want to deal strome or chytil while they are in a playoff race mid season. Odds are this is the year they either sign strome long term or go with chytil and basically self rent strome.
I just don’t think chytil is going to get a fair shake opportunity wise because of the chemistry history between strome/panarin. I also would rather see strome off the PP and LaF inserted.
I’m willing to Bet Barron could take over 3C duties as early as a mid season injury call up and stay for the rest and into next season..
Any way you slice it, 1 of strome or chytil isn’t going to be here next season. That fact has been made abundantly clear with Drury only giving chytil a 2 year prove it deal. If he was in the long range plans, he would have gotten 4 years imo.
Chytil also made it clear in an interview at the end of last season, he wants more minutes/larger role. There’s just no possible way the rangers go into next season with the same 3 centers paying more money. It will likely be Zibby- Strome/Chytil- Barron or Zibby-new player acquired-Barron
Strome is on the last year of his Band-Aid deal and if chytil doesn’t take charge this season, he will be traded come the draft or offseason imo.
Depending on cash, Drury could try for a Hertl/Larkin or go the cheaper route and try to acquire a Thomas from STL.
This will be the offseason where your going to see the foundation laid at center for the next 5 or so seasons while this team is in its current window. Everything else is basically in place already..

 

[SA16]

True. But I doubt they would want to deal strome or chytil while they are in a playoff race mid season. Odds are this is the year they either sign strome long term or go with chytil and basically self rent strome.
I just don’t think chytil is going to get a fair shake opportunity wise because of the chemistry history between strome/panarin. I also would rather see strome off the PP and LaF inserted.
I’m willing to Bet Barron could take over 3C duties as early as a mid season injury call up and stay for the rest and into next season..
Any way you slice it, 1 of strome or chytil isn’t going to be here next season. That fact has been made abundantly clear with Drury only giving chytil a 2 year prove it deal. If he was in the long range plans, he would have gotten 4 years imo.
Chytil also made it clear in an interview at the end of last season, he wants more minutes/larger role. There’s just no possible way the rangers go into next season with the same 3 centers paying more money. It will likely be Zibby- Strome/Chytil- Barron or Zibby-new player acquired-Barron
Strome is on the last year of his Band-Aid deal and if chytil doesn’t take charge this season, he will be traded come the draft or offseason imo.
Depending on cash, Drury could try for a Hertl/Larkin or go the cheaper route and try to acquire a Thomas from STL.
This will be the offseason where your going to see the foundation laid at center for the next 5 or so seasons while this team is in its current window. Everything else is basically in place already..

What if Chytil didn’t want a longer deal? Those are usually better for the team and not the player. That’s why fans want players to sign them.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I think we see a better center brought in to be 2nd line C with Panarin. I’d flip Strome for a pick.

 

[jay from jersey]

What if Chytil didn’t want a longer deal? Those are usually better for the team and not the player. That’s why fans want players to sign them.

I bet he’s keeping his options open as much as NYR at this point. A 4-year deal with a bit more money would have still only taken him to age 25. Plenty of time for another big contract.
My guess, Drury wasn’t willing. In this financial climate, plus chytil s resume. His agent would have jumped at a 4 year 3.25-3.5 mill deal.
Get chytil a guaranteed 15 mill and a chance to sign a long term deal at 25 years old.

 

[RGY]

I am just banking on Boston finally falling off and trading Bergeron at the deadline to us for a deep playoff run

 

[EdJovanovski]

Offersheet Pettersson already

 

[Profet]

I can't believe they still haven't addressed the center situation.

 

[Lays]

I can't believe they still haven't addressed the center situation.

We need to chill about this. Mika-Strome-Chytil-Rooney-Barron is more than fine for right now. If you think this is bad, Guerin is on year 3 of being the Wild’s GM and the Wild’s centers last year were Victor Rask at 1C, Ryan Hartman at 2C (who’s a winger), and Joel Eriksson Ek at 3C. Eriksson Ek has shown he can’t play top 6 and doesn’t mesh with anyone there yet Guerin gave him a 5 million dollar, 8 year extension. I like the player but that’s rough for someone who can’t play with your top stars and will only just be an elite 3C. And Guerin still hasn’t acquired a center, so they’re going with Rask-Hartman-JEE again and hoping that Marco Rossi, a player who’s more likely to end up a winger and just missed an entire developmental season due to Covid, will take a top 6 spot. The only thing we should be doing right now is re-signing Mika. 2C doesn’t really matter as Panarin is basically the center on his line. Hawks won a cup with a washed up Handzus at 2C because Patrick Kane was basically the center on his line as well. Toews played with two elite wingers just like Mika will. The Hawks never had an elite 2C and had a revolving cast of washed up players at that spot they won cups with because of Kane on that line.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't believe they still haven't addressed the center situation.

What center should they go after? It's not as if the type we need is really out there. Danault would've been perfect.

 

[Fitzy]

We didn’t force a trade for Eichel that alone is a win in my book regarding the center situation.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We didn’t force a trade for Eichel that alone is a win in my book regarding the center situation.

Bingo.

And of the other candidates, I can't say there's a name that stands out that makes us better per se.

Hertl is the latest flavour of the month but I rather just keep Strome.

Who else who would make us better, is out there? Like, really available...

Our center depth is fine. Could it be better? Sure. But it's not as if that will be the difference between making the play offs and missing out.

 

[Profet]

What center should they go after? It's not as if the type we need is really out there. Danault would've been perfect.

Not even talking about acquiring... I'm talking about selling high on Strome.

Having a #2C (Strome) AND a #3C (Chytil) who can't play the PK is outrageous (imo). Having one dimensional talent down in the middle of your middle 6 is just asking for trouble.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

What center should they go after? It's not as if the type we need is really out there. Danault would've been perfect.

Shane Wright and Connor Bedard.

 

[Lays]

Not even talking about acquiring... I'm talking about selling high on Strome.

Having a #2C (Strome) AND a #3C (Chytil) who can't play the PK is outrageous (imo). Having one dimensional talent down in the middle of your middle 6 is just asking for trouble.

Why would we sell high on Strome when he has chemistry with our best player? Panarin likes playing with him, why trade Strome for a 2nd+B prospect when we can just keep him? Chytil isn’t going to step into 2C producing like him. Barron isn’t ready for 3C.