Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[leetch99]

This isn’t a TDL rental.

To the point of him waiting for a QO and hitting the market, I seriously doubt any team would pay Kotkaniemi significantly more than the ~5 million that would likely be the base that Carolina offers him over potentially 8 seasons.

By going UFA, Kotkaniemi gambles on 40 million? What if he only gets another 6x1 and doesn’t show development?

I dunno but 40 million in the back pocket would feel pretty nice versus listening to the fans in the Belle Province every time you made a mistake . He would have to be a complete idiot to not resign & stick around Carolina especially with a couple of fellow Finns in tow .He would still be young enough to hit on a new deal to end his career after the 40 one was up if he is good enough....and if not..he has at least 2/3rds of the 40 if he gets bought out early . He should be able to make it through life without there being any community benefits or fundraisers for him.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I gotta give some credit to Carolina for just the absolute creativity of this move.

One year OS like this with all the moving pieces (QO, short term commitment, opp to try for an extension) rarely gets brought up.

 

[jay from jersey]

Ive heard that they have a second deal already made for him on a long term contract that would be less than the QO

Most like in the 4-5 mill range on a multi-year deal if he passes his “audition” this season.
It’s a craft move. Where else are you getting a former top 3 pick with that kind of potential who performed well in the playoffs for a late 1st and a 3rd?
They have Aho,KK, trocheck and Necas already. None of those guys are playing 4th C. So most likely tro/Necas becomes trade bait If KK resigns long term.
Somebody could possibly move to wing on a permanent basis as well

 

[NYR Viper]

This is a smart play for Carolina in general. Staal is getting older and Trochek is a UFA at years end. Kotkaniemi probably tops out as a 2C but that’s perfect for that they need and they can sign him long term at a reasonable number

 

[Avery16]

I only wonder how Montreal's next move (assuming they do not match) will affect us. Will they go for Eichel? Strome? If Eichel, what contracts will they look to move for cap space?

 

[CLW]

If his play warrants a small pay cut, but not cutting him loose, and he really likes it at Carolina, I could see Carolina offering him say 4 years at 4,75 million. And it's not a totally outrageous idea that Kotkaniemi would take that deal for job security, and getting to stay where he likes it.

Working with Brind'Amour to sort out the wrinkles in KK's game is pretty much the perfect spot for him to be. I have no doubt they have a handshake deal on an extension too, as the signing bonus was part of the troll on Bergevin. KK needs to get out of the asylum that is the Habs asap, it's clear he has no real future there, so why not try the Canes.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If Montreal were in on Eichel, I’d have to think Kotkaniemi would be one of the pieces going back. Not sure that works any longer.

 

[CasusBelli]

Love that KK offer sheet. Make them suffer.

Edit: a joy to see one team commit financial suicide while depriving another of core future talent.

 

[Avery16]

If Montreal were in on Eichel, I’d have to think Kotkaniemi would be one of the pieces going back. Not sure that works any longer.

Buffalo isnt going to get close to what they want from Eichel, no matter which team bites the bullet.

 

[LORDE]

Yeah it was too bad about Patty. If not for the concussions I fully believe he would have put up another 300+ points and easily been remembered as one of the all-time greats. As it stands he's still one of the most naturally gifted players I've ever watched.

I own his NYR jersey... I always liked him.

 

[bl02]

If montreal loses KK pretty much another top 3 pick wasted.

 

[Fitzy]

I get that some people think it’s stupid, others find it entertaining.

But I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we are glad it isn’t our club involved on either end of this.

If Kakko was signed to something like this next year I would be livid.

 

[Avery16]

I get that some people think it’s stupid, others find it entertaining.

But I think the one thing we can all agree on is that we are glad it isn’t our club involved on either end of this.

If Kakko was signed to something like this next year I would be livid.

The 6.1 x 1 is out of line, but Kotkaniemi’s next contract could look a lot like Kakko’s second or third contract, depending on how long the second contract is.

 

[Bruner4329]

I am not a fan of Strome and was hoping he would get moved this offseason, but speculating that we will trade him to Montreal if they lose the player to Carolina would create a void at a position we are have needs at. If we trade Strome then we need to bring in another center with some skill that can man the 2nd line if need be. Unlike a lot of posters here I am not keen on having FC and Barron as our 2 and 3 centers. You really cannot go into the season with that type of depth in the middle.

 

[Avery16]

I am not a fan of Strome and was hoping he would get moved this offseason, but speculating that we will trade him to Montreal if they lose the player to Carolina would create a void at a position we are have needs at. If we trade Strome then we need to bring in another center with some skill that can man the 2nd line if need be. Unlike a lot of posters here I am not keen on having FC and Barron as our 2 and 3 centers. You really cannot go into the season with that type of depth in the middle.

Certainly, moving Strome at this point has to bring back another middle-six C or has to be partnered with a plan to bring in another 2C.

Not a fan of Strome’s, but I don’t think he should be moved unless it results in a better team now or in the near-term future.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kotkaniemi would be a dummy to agree to a long term deal low key with Carolina without playing out this year first

 

[Ola]

Love that KK offer sheet. Make them suffer.

Edit: a joy to see one team commit financial suicide while depriving another of core future talent.

Kotkaniemi is probably not going to have a great year for Carolina, but my guess it’s up to Carolina to either lock him up for a long term deal for +6m after that or enter into a pretty short relationship with him.

I don’t buy Kotkaniemi taking 4.5m per long term buying out UFA years with 6m on the table. He can make 6m per until he is a UFA, and that is plenty of time to ‘bet on yourself’.

 

[Avery16]

Kotkaniemi is probably not going to have a great year for Carolina, but my guess it’s up to Carolina to either lock him up for a long term deal for +6m after that or enter into a pretty short relationship with him.

I don’t buy Kotkaniemi taking 4.5m per long term buying out UFA years with 6m on the table. He can make 6m per until he is a UFA, and that is plenty of time to ‘bet on yourself’.

What teams are going to give him 6 million on one-year deals? He’s not a short-term difference maker. The value in Kotkaniemi is 2-3 seasons from now, when he might be a $6 million player.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The only thing I know for sure about the offersheet is that it really screws Montreal.
Their options are either a. sign their recent 3oa pick to a ridiculous contract that takes them right up to the cap or 2. lose that player for less than he is likely worth on the market and have a gaping hole at C.

Proof positive of the “revenge” offersheet.

 

[Ola]

What teams are going to give him 6 million on one-year deals? He’s not a short-term difference maker. The value in Kotkaniemi is 2-3 seasons from now, when he might be a $6 million player.

The thing is, his QO is 6m minimum. So Carolina must either offer him 6m per next season or let him hit the UFA market. This will be the case until he hits UFA age.

 

[NYR Viper]

What this really nails down is that Montreal is not in a good spot in terms of centers at all. If they were even considering trading Kotkaniemi in the first place AFTER losing Danault in UFA means he wasn’t in their long term plans anyways. Outside of Suzuki, who do they have in terms of centers?

 

[Ola]

The only thing I know for sure about the offersheet is that it really screws Montreal.
Their options are either a. sign their recent 3oa pick to a ridiculous contract that takes them right up to the cap or 2. lose that player for less than he is likely worth on the market and have a gaping hole at C.

Proof positive of the “revenge” offersheet.

Hard to deny that this put a little more ‘umph’ behind the revenge offer sheet argument.

 

[bobbop]

Friedman mentioned that a Montreal contact told him it’s likely Montreal will see what they can get for a first and third and he specifically mentioned Dvorak. That could be the end game.

 

[Avery16]

The thing is, his QO is 6m minimum. So Carolina must either offer him 6m per next season or let him hit the UFA market. This will be the case until he hits UFA age.

You’re right- they have to QO him at 6.1 (plus escalator). But they can QO him at 6.1 (plus the escalator) and then sign a longer deal at a lower hit.

If they don’t QO him, he goes to UFA. But he won’t get 6 million as a UFA. Maybe not even 5. Likely for less term. So it’s risky for Kotkaniemi to not work with Carolina.

 

[Avery16]

Friedman mentioned that a Montreal contact told him it’s likely Montreal will see what they can get for a first and third and he specifically mentioned Dvorak. That could be the end game.

I don’t think that would be a win, but it might be the best they can do in this situation.