Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[Avery16]

If I'm Kotkaniemi I either wait for my 6.1m QO, or I go the UFA route in 2022.

At age 22, Kotkaniemi as an unrestricted free agent can sign with the highest bidder.

There's just zero chance Carolina wouldn't QO him.

 

[Fitzy]

There's just zero chance Carolina wouldn't QO him.

No one gives up a 1st and 3rd round pick for 1 season of a 21 year old.

This is an investment in the player.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

“Teams won’t be vindictive if you offer sheet their player!”
-Dummies

 

[TheBloodyNine]

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[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There's just zero chance Carolina wouldn't QO him.

Ive heard that they have a second deal already made for him on a long term contract that would be less than the QO

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ive heard that they have a second deal already made for him on a long term contract that would be less than the QO

They're not allowed to negotiate with him until Jan 1st (1 year deal).

 

[effen]

im glad Carolina is doing *stuff*, i dont care what it is. we've seen what hockey being classy looks like and it turned the sport so inward and insular its not even considered a major sport in the US.

anything that gets any sort of engagement is good

 

[Lays]

If I’m Montreal, I take that 1st and 3rd I get from the offersheet and then flip it for Eichel, Eichel’s new agent Brisson is very close with Bergevin and that might be the only way for Montreal to come out on top. Even if they have to overpay a little for Eichel

Suzuki+Carolina 1st+Carolina 3rd (just to be petty like Waddell)+another solid piece

Basically paying Suzuki+Kotka for Eichel and I genuinely think Buffalo accepts this. They get a replacement young potential 1C with high character along with a 1st and solid prospect/pick

Montreal gets to retain their first and build around Eichel/Caufield

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

im glad Carolina is doing *stuff*, i dont care what it is. we've seen what hockey being classy looks like and it turned the sport so inward and insular its not even considered a major sport in the US.

anything that gets any sort of engagement is good

NHL is losing to MLS in the coming years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They're not allowed to negotiate with him until Jan 1st (1 year deal).

Ya they are allowed to talk what his next contract looks like as they talk to him about this deal, they just can't formally sign it, he's currently an rfa afterall.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ya they are allowed to talk what his next contract looks like, they just can't formally sign it, he's currently an rfa afterall.

Yeah, they can talk, but official contract extension talks can't happen once he's under contract until Jan 1st (since it's a 1-year deal).

A lot can happen and handshake deals aren't binding.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yeah, they can talk, but official contract extension talks can't happen once he's under contract until Jan 1st (since it's a 1-year deal).

Yes but what im saying is the framework for the next deal is already know to both parties and will be signed after this deal.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes but what im saying is the framework for the next deal is already know to both parties and will be signed after this deal.

*c0uld be signed.

If Carolina can sign Kotkaniemi long-term for a lower AAV, this is a great move on their part. As long as they can avoid the QO, they should be fine.

 

[nyr2k2]

NHL is losing to MLS in the coming years.

Well, that's an inevitability. The most popular sport in the world up against a sport that's played at a high level in basically a dozen or fewer countries. Most Americans still think of hockey as "a Canadian thing" while there are 3 million American kids playing soccer, and people like me who grew up playing and recognize it for the global force that it is.

The only surprising thing about the rise of MLS and soccer in the US in general is that it has taken this long.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If I’m Montreal, I take that 1st and 3rd I get from the offersheet and then flip it for Eichel, Eichel’s new agent Brisson is very close with Bergevin and that might be the only way for Montreal to come out on top. Even if they have to overpay a little for Eichel

Suzuki+Carolina 1st+Carolina 3rd (just to be petty like Waddell)+another solid piece

Basically paying Suzuki+Kotka for Eichel and I genuinely think Buffalo accepts this. They get a replacement young potential 1C with high character along with a 1st and solid prospect/pick

Montreal gets to retain their first and build around Eichel/Caufield

If Buffalo doesn’t want to send him to us they sure as shit aren’t sending him to a team that’s closer and plays in the same division.

 

[Avery16]

Yeah, they can talk, but official contract extension talks can't happen once he's under contract until Jan 1st (since it's a 1-year deal).

A lot can happen and handshake deals aren't binding.

They aren’t giving up a 1st and a 3rd for a player they wouldn’t QO. He’s getting locked up.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well, that's an inevitability. The most popular sport in the world up against a sport that's played at a high level in basically a dozen or fewer countries. Most Americans still think of hockey as "a Canadian thing" while there are 3 million American kids playing soccer, and people like me who grew up playing and recognize it for the global force that it is.

The only surprising thing about the rise of MLS and soccer in the US in general is that it has taken this long.

I really miss the early days of MLS. With the hockey-style shootout. That was f***ing epic!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Teams give up equivalent value to a 1st and a 3rd for rentals who they have zero intention of locking up every TDL.

They won't lock him up just because they OS'd him. Assuming Montreal doesn't match, if he sucks, they're not going to make a major financial commitment just because they have the player.

 

[nyr2k2]

I really miss the early days of MLS. With the hockey-style shootout. That was f***ing epic!

Yeah and the clock that counted down, and no stoppage time. Wild stuff.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah and the clock that counted down, and no stoppage time. Wild stuff.

It felt like watching football (soccer) in some alternate reality. But it was very entertaining. Some big stars playing in MLS back then too.

 

[SA16]

*c0uld be signed.

If Carolina can sign Kotkaniemi long-term for a lower AAV, this is a great move on their part. As long as they can avoid the QO, they should be fine.

Why is Kotkaniemi doing that, if the AAV is significantly lower, when he is guaranteed either 6.1M or UFA status?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why is Kotkaniemi doing that, if the AAV is significantly lower, when he is guaranteed either 6.1M or UFA status?

Exactly my point. If I'm Kotkaniemi, why would I sign a lower AAV deal when you can get 6.1 on a QO or test free agency at age 22....?

 

[Avery16]

Teams give up equivalent value to a 1st and a 3rd for rentals who they have zero intention of locking up every TDL.

They won't lock him up just because they OS'd him. Assuming Montreal doesn't match, if he sucks, they're not going to make a major financial commitment just because they have the player.

This isn’t a TDL rental.

To the point of him waiting for a QO and hitting the market, I seriously doubt any team would pay Kotkaniemi significantly more than the ~5 million that would likely be the base that Carolina offers him over potentially 8 seasons.

By going UFA, Kotkaniemi gambles on 40 million? What if he only gets another 6x1 and doesn’t show development?

 

[LOFIN]

Exactly my point. If I'm Kotkaniemi, why would I sign a lower AAV deal when you can get 6.1 on a QO or test free agency at age 22....?

If his play warrants a small pay cut, but not cutting him loose, and he really likes it at Carolina, I could see Carolina offering him say 4 years at 4,75 million. And it's not a totally outrageous idea that Kotkaniemi would take that deal for job security, and getting to stay where he likes it.