So What Happens Monday Morning?

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It's a weird situation because had we just drafted Zadina, we would have gotten the worse player yes, but how different would our situation have been?

Lol come on.

That will be the first domino to set it off.

I didn't do the math before. It's actually Tkachuk and two roster players (JBD+MacEwan) for Lafreniere+Kakko+Lindgren. That should be compliant if they do the math so it might spook the one guy who insisted Lafreniere was better than Tkachuk.

Boucher goes to the Rangers as a nice little side plot, and I'd like to think the Senators get some sort of highly protected 1st but who knows. The spirit realm is murky right now.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think he has to go somewhere that already has a strong veteran presence where he doesn't have to be the guy, at least for now.

He was put in a bad situation from the start in Ottawa. Stone was traded in year 1. We never had a strong veteran core with him. Compare that to Matthew in Calgary. While parts of their core were young, they had a stronger veteran persence.

Can you imagine taking Alfredsson, Philips, Spezza, Neil, Fisher (partly), Kuba, etc off those Sens teams that Karlsson started on and then making him the captain with no real veteran guidance to look to.

I understand why people are disappointed in the entire situation and how this rebuild is clearly failing to materialize as we hoped, but before people attack Tkachuk personally and make assumptions about his quality as a leader or a person, I think they should objectively look at the situation he was developed in as a young star. Also, none of us have any idea about who does what or behaves what way in the room - so a lot of these are assumptions made just based on what body language or actions people see on TV or at the arena on the ice.

For real. The Sens rebuild is/was basically just the NHL version of Lord Of The Flies or something. Just toss a bunch of kids together in a small, isolated shithole and see what happens. So when you end up with a bunch of guys who have no composure, or maturity, or resilience could you have ever really expected anything different?

I've long had a theory that this is why the players bonded so much with DJ Smith. He was all they had, it was literally them against the world. Not only were there no quality veteran players on the ice, but there weren't even any experienced people around the team in the front office. Most teams have advisors, alumni and all sorts of other people around the team you can get some perspective from. In Ottawa it was just Pierre Dorion.

There is no way that anybody around the league thinks this is a Brady Tkachuk problem as opposed to an Ottawa Senators problem. Teams have got to be salivating at the prospect of getting him out of this environment.

 

[HSF]

the whole needing brady to lead and its all his fault is such a pathetic way to excuse others from having responsibilities. Not sure if people expect Brady to carry. the team or something but we need way more from so many other guys making a lot of money

Reminds me of people blaming Alfie or Karlsson when they were one of the few bright spots in some pathetic ass performances from others

Norris 8 mill
Perron 4 mill
Pinto 3.75mill

All need to check themselves and play half as hard as Brady

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

the whole needing brady to lead and its all his fault is such a pathetic way to excuse others from having responsibilities. Not sure if people expect Brady to carry. the team or something but we need way more from so many other guys making a lot of money

Reminds me of people blaming Alfie or Karlsson when they were one of the few bright spots in some pathetic ass performances from others

Norris 8 mill
Perron 4 mill
Pinto 3.75mill

All need to check themselves and play half as hard as Brady

Seriously. Pinto has 3 points in 12 games, he's completely invisible out there. Norris also needs to be better but he's missed a lot of hockey so he's got a bit of an excuse. Perron has 0 points on the year, again completely invisible.

For Pinto and Perron's contracts alone we could add a prime Hoffman type scorer at 7.75 mil and put Ostapchuk or Greig on the 3rd line and Gregor back in the lineup. Insane people want to trade Brady before attempting to do something like that first.

 

[Tuna99]

God hates the Ottawa Senators. Green wants honest assessments, that’s an honest assessment.

since they traded Kyle Turris, this team has been a complete mess and thats the truth.

Kyle Turris was traded November 5, 2017.

TWENTY SEVENTEEN

TWO THOUSAND AND SEVENTEEN

THATS THIRTY SEVEN BOYFRIENDS AGO FOR TAYLOR SWIFT.

 

[maclean]

God hates the Ottawa Senators. Green wants honest assessments, that’s an honest assessment.

since they traded Kyle Turris, this team has been a complete mess and thats the truth.

Kyle Turris was traded November 5, 2017.

TWENTY SEVENTEEN

TWO THOUSAND AND SEVENTEEN

THATS THIRTY SEVEN BOYFRIENDS AGO FOR TAYLOR SWIFT.

its so crazy how that trade just cursed us forever

 

[Tuna99]

its so crazy how that trade just cursed us forever

EK apparently freaked out, gave it to Dorion for the trade. Then just days later his entire trade talk happened right after with his Nobtrade list leaking,

It’s the curse of Kyle Turris.

November 5, 2017 is the day this thing fell apart

 

[ColinM]

Nothing will happen.

What should happen:

Scratch Kleven, he has lost all confidence and is making catastrophically bad decisions 2 games in a row.

Start Forsberg. Overplaying Ullmark to find his game has not worked. Sit him for a few games and go back to him in the future.

Staois needs to start making phonecalls about Tkachuk and Norris to see what he can get for them to shake up this core. Ideally you get someone to pair with Stutzle/Batherson so they can be more successful at even strength.

Pinto, Greig, Cousins, Perron have been giant f***ing zeroes. Start a rotating scratch of guys like that. I might be missing a few names but the 4 I have is a good start. Call up people from the AHL to fill the 1 or 2 roster spots you create by scratching those guys. Put Ostapchuk in. Find other guys in the AHL who might be deserving of showcasing their ability and talent and willingness to not be a floating liability.

This sounds about right. We are on season 7 or 8 of "dig a hole early you can't climb out of". I don't have a lot of confidence things would be different next season.

EK apparently freaked out, gave it to Dorion for the trade. Then just days later his entire trade talk happened right after with his Nobtrade list leaking,

It’s the curse of Kyle Turris.

November 5, 2017 is the day this thing fell apart

I feel like Melynk is still cursing us after he is dead.

 

[ColinM]

He also probably thinks that way too but thankfully he is nowhere near that important.

Let's stop making excuses for him and admit Brady is one of the most overrated player we have had.

All bluster no substance.

Agreed. I'd love to run some stats about his performance on the first half of the season vs the second half. I'm sure they are almost always better in the second half. He'll have some nice highlite reals when it matters the least.

 

[Blotto71]

I have family in town from the States, so we're doing a quasi-Thanksgiving dinner. That'll be nice. Might go hit up some thrift stores too.

Gonna pop some tags? Got $20 in your pocket? That is f***ing awesome.

 

[ColinM]

When it comes to whether the fans would be upset about a Brady trade, psychologically the perspective has now changed where the players are the only ones left to blame because the two big contributing factors to this franchise being perpetually held back are both gone. Those are Melnyk and Dorion, although, Dorion was only in the position he was in as a symptom of Melnyk's ownership.

The only way people will be upset about a Brady trade is if the return is a Joe Thornton type return where we panic and trade Tkachuk for 2-3 good roster players who in a bubble might make us deeper on paper now but are worth nowhere near the value of Tkachuk.

You are right. So much is bad from the previous regime that nothing should be off the table in terms of a retool.

 

[dumbdick]

Here's my theory: gen-z kids from North America are less engaged.

Start drafting foreigners who have different cultural standards about money and work.

 

[Blotto71]

People are trying to find someone to scapegoat. You're correct. It's unfair to Brady.

But on the other hand, I can certainly tell you that he won't win a cup and certainly won't lead a team to a cup if he doesn't mature his game.

The biggest red flag for me was the reaction to DJ Smith getting fired and replaced with Jacques last year. He didn't lead by example at that time.

I'm not sure where this all goes but until Brady starts leading by example in terms of his defensive game and maturity, we're not going anywhere.

Unfair or not, you've identified the same issues I, and many, see in his game. I do not believe he has the capacity to grow that much this year and combine that with a NMC coming into effect, Staios is in the window to move him.

 

[Xspyrit]

I understand the trade talk has really begun (and I do it too) but people have to be aware that we will most likely lose many of these trades and that we'll see Zibanejad or Duchene situations where the guy traded excels and flourishes in another market.

What's gonna happen is they'll sit Kleven for someone else as well as Cousins so Gregor can slot back in, and maybe Forsberg will get the start. Maybe they'll scramble the lines a bit more as well.

The result on the ice will be the same with Calgary outworking us all night.

There's just not that much you can do to fix an entire group's mentality and lack of confidence in two days. The real solution is in the GM's hands, and I think we all know what that means.

Except the last 5 minutes, don't forget

 

[Relapsing]

If Brady moves anytime soon, this team moves down the 401

Lol. What an over reaction.

This team isn't moving.

Some of the players should be

 

[Relapsing]

Sad that people think Brady is the problem… the guy scores and plays hard… the locker room looks up to him. He will a cup. Guy is solid.

So f***ing sad.

Always excuses. Always the scapegoats.

So f***ing sad

He's a - in goal differential.

He cheats for offense constantly

Always a f***ing excuse for why he's impactful, but never recognition for the things he does that hurts the team

 

[Xspyrit]

I didn't do the math before. It's actually Tkachuk and two roster players (JBD+MacEwan) for Lafreniere+Kakko+Lindgren. That should be compliant if they do the math so it might spook the one guy who insisted Lafreniere was better than Tkachuk.

Boucher goes to the Rangers as a nice little side plot, and I'd like to think the Senators get some sort of highly protected 1st but who knows. The spirit realm is murky right now.

I wouldn't do Lafreniere for Tkachuk if I was the Rangers. Laf is 2 years younger and already plays a more complete competitive game. Since last season, they have the same number of ESP in the same number of games. Don't think they would do it 1 for 1 so no way they'd add Kakko and Lindgren on top of it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The point wasn't to suggestion because his brother returned X, Tkachuk will return X.

The situations are similar in that they are both "unicorn" type players who teams will find a way to acquire, even if they shouldn't have the flexibility to do it. The reason I pointed that out, is because it's absurd to say that a team will trade a player with an 8.XXM cap hit and multiple years left in season. It's usually very difficult and requires a lot of leg work.

I'm suggesting that Staios probably has already done that leg work, because he knows Tkachuk's NMC is coming up and that he needs to know what the market might have been for him in July 2025, and that if things change to where they want to move him earlier, teams aren't going to tell him to wait until the summer, they will make a hockey trade and move out what was previously a core piece because acquiring Tkachuk would be seen as a king making move.

No other GM is going to believe Tkachuk is the problem. We're the Senators. They are going to be salivating at the idea that they can get Tkachuk out of Ottawa because fortunately for them, he was drafted to a franchise that is still trying to repair the dysfunction from their previous ownership.

With that said, if you're Staios and you can get a similar package to what you expect to be on the table in the summer, you do it now. Not because whatever comes back necessarily makes the team better on paper, but because whatever norms they have in the room need to be completely decimated, and trading Tkachuk is like putting a nuke through the room. If they still suck, well they were going to suck anyways and Tkachuk was going to get traded in the summer for a similar package - but there is always the chance that whatever storming comes from moving Tkachuk and whoever else they can get out the door helps them get over whatever psychological hump the team had and possibly make the playoffs.



I highly doubt they want to rebuild. This market can't handle that. If Tkachuk is traded, it will either be something closer to 1 for 1 or 1 for 2 for name players, or it will be something everybody hates where we get three Michael Jensens back who technically help us get deeper on paper, but nobody wants to move their franchise power forward for 2nd liners or top 4 defensemen.

I would hate that, never heard of Michael Jensen.

He's a - in goal differential.

He cheats for offense constantly

Always a f***ing excuse for why he's impactful, but never recognition for the things he does that hurts the team

Sanderson and Zub have the worst plus minus. Let’s trade them too.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I would hate that, never heard of Michael Jensen.

It's his middle name. Nick Michael Jensen.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Here's my theory: gen-z kids from North America are less engaged.

Start drafting foreigners who have different cultural standards about money and work.

I mean Brady was basically born inside an NHL locker room with a silver spoon. He probably considers playing in the NHL and being captain a birthright.

If we had to come up with one player to fit the word spoiled too, it would be Brady.

Likely he was never told no until he made the NHL and when he gets told no in the NHL he just ignores them.

 

[Relapsing]

I would hate that, never heard of Michael Jensen.


Sanderson and Zub have the worst plus minus. Let’s trade them too.

OK, sure.

I really find it hard to care anymore who is on the team. I'm not here to cheer for players. I'm here to cheer for winning hockey.

 

[Xspyrit]

OK, sure.

I really find it hard to care anymore who is on the team. I'm not here to cheer for players. I'm here to cheer for winning hockey.

 

[Knave]

I would hate that, never heard of Michael Jensen.


Sanderson and Zub have the worst plus minus. Let’s trade them too.

Start with the amazing leader who has led us into the abyss every November for 4 straight years.

And once that's done I'm fine branching out.