So Babcock needs to go... (Part 2)

[DavePoulin4PM]

This regime needs to get broomed. Good luck attracting any free agents! What a culture!!!

 

[Mess]

Since Jan. 1st, team save %:

90.21% (20th in the NHL)
5v5: 91.44% (24th in the NHL)

Previous year and a half save %:

91.62%(3rd in the NHL)
5v5: 92.87% (4th in the NHL)

Hope this helps you realize the reason the team has been .500 for a while now. Many other teams fare far worse with that big a drop in as major area. Luckily, the team D has improved somewhat (I still love the Muzzin pickup) and underlying defensive numbers look noticeably better this year than previous years.

Going from Andersen & McElhinney and setting a franchise team record in points and wins to Andersen & Sparks last year and now Andersen & Hutchinson this year is going to reflect a downgrade in stats.

What's odd is that its the coach that is taking the heat and blame for decisions outside of his control.

 

[Legendary]

How deep into the koolaid do you have to be to still support Babcock? He’ll go back to detroit and we’ll move on. Next is Dubas and Shanahan....

 

[JT AM da real deal]

1) in a hockey game you never have the puck all the time. It’s a false idealistic view. Even a dominating 70% time of possession would result in the other team having the puck for almost a full period.

2) with all of the video work and possession geniuses in the background that bring players in based on their direction, you really think a coach can freely dictate a style of play? For example, if he said screw it... run and gun and thats that... there would be no pressure from within the organization?

I don't know if many of you realize that the average player only has the puck on his stick for 20 seconds a game so between 18 guys on 2 teams that represents 12 minutes per game. There are 48 minutes per game where the puck is on no ones stick. The goalies may have it or it is flying around the ice. Now that is an average so more skilled guys like a Tavares may have it for 35 seconds and Goat maybe 5 seconds. and the numbers have not changed. The top guy in league Barzal holds it for 72 seconds per game.

 

[Rob Brown]

Honestly, I'd like to see Shanny step in and say or do something. They preached accountability and adaptability and all that jazz but nothing is really changing and this team is not playing to its potential. If we're still a wild card team or worse by the new year I think we have to move on from Babcock. Get a fresh voice in there, I don't even know who because I don't think they promote Keefe mid-season but something has to give.

 

[Pilky01]

This team is going to tread water all season and just barely miss the playoffs.

Babcock won't get fired until May at the earliest. I wish this site had signatures for posts then I just put this in there but as I keep saying, Babcock won't get fired until after the season is over. Dubas will not fire him mid season because that would shift the pressure on to him, and Dubas is not interested in that. He he is managing to keep his job so he wants to drag out the Babcock era as long as possible because this way he has the baked in excuse of "not getting to hire his guy".

Dubas is almost as bad as Burke. Only saving grace is he hasn't started trading first round picks yet.

 

[Bomber0104]

This team is going to tread water all season and just barely miss the playoffs.

Babcock won't get fired until May at the earliest. I wish this site had signatures for posts then I just put this in there but as I keep saying, Babcock won't get fired until after the season is over. Dubas will not fire him mid season because that would shift the pressure on to him, and Dubas is not interested in that. He he is managing to keep his job so he wants to drag out the Babcock era as long as possible because this way he has the baked in excuse of "not getting to hire his guy".

Dubas is almost as bad as Burke. Only saving grace is he hasn't started trading first round picks yet.

He's traded two consecutive 1st round picks (2019 + 2020 [top-10 protected])

Where have you been?

 

[TheClap]

How deep into the koolaid do you have to be to still support Babcock? He’ll go back to detroit and we’ll move on. Next is Dubas and Shanahan....

Nobody in Detroit wants Babcock back. Especially fans. With Holland gone, it seems unlikely anyone in management would either.
Enjoy the rest of the season with him. We currently have our hands full with his more incompetent clone.

 

[Trapper]

Nobody in Detroit wants Babcock back. Especially fans. With Holland gone, it seems unlikely anyone in management would either.
Enjoy the rest of the season with him. We currently have our hands full with his more incompetent clone.

Looks like we both have the same issues.
Coach 1 and Coach 2. Same as the first, just a little worse.

 

[hoglund]

How deep into the koolaid do you have to be to still support Babcock? He’ll go back to detroit and we’ll move on. Next is Dubas and Shanahan....

Wow, that would be an overreaction, wow.

 

[odin1981]

Ask Detroit fans about Cleary and Abdelkader. He had his dream bottom-6 in Detroit.

When we were cup contenders Clearly and Abby didn't sniff the top 6 unless there were major injury issues. Also Abby was a rookie in the cup winner year and didn't play above the 4th ever.

Clearly did play 3rd most often but if the injury bug hit he would move up to the second.

What you are remembering is when we started are regression and those two were used way too often and way too high up in the lines.

Reading this thread however is kinda reminiscent of how myself and many other wings fans felt towards the end of his tenure with us I will give you all that though.

The main problem with him is he expects players to be elite two way types such as : Datsyuk, Z, and Bergeron as comparables. But with Tavares out he is the only forward I have seen even near that talent level but nowhere near that stratosphere of talent of the above-mentioned area of skill. And if any would say whatever you don't watch leafs games I would counter with I have CBC in my local area and while I by no means catch all your team's games I do catch 1 a week at the least. Usually two because of NHL network.

 

[killer1980]

Make no mistake, it was Lamoriello and Hunter that created the team and mindset that brought the Leafs to their highest point total in team history. Enter Dumbass, who I guess Shanahan thought would be, oh so, 2018 to have a young, groovy GM. Probably parties with the Leaf youth. Certainly overpaid them all. Discipline is the thing that old f***ers bring to the table. Make'em shave, wear suits to work, treat female security guards with respect. These guys are not mature enough to do that on their own. Show me a disciplined, hard working and respectful group and I'll show you a winner. This team has none of that.

 

[Teeder Keon]

So most people think Babcock has to be fired here eh ?
First I’ve heard

 

[TheClap]

Make no mistake, it was Lamoriello and Hunter that created the team and mindset that brought the Leafs to their highest point total in team history. Enter Dumbass, who I guess Shanahan thought would be, oh so, 2018 to have a young, groovy GM. Probably parties with the Leaf youth. Certainly overpaid them all. Discipline is the thing that old f***ers bring to the table. Make'em shave, wear suits to work, treat female security guards with respect. These guys are not mature enough to do that on their own. Show me a disciplined, hard working and respectful group and I'll show you a winner. This team has none of that.

Hey, Patrick Kane allegedly raped a lady. He still has 3 Cups and a Smythe.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

It would be dumb to keep Babcock until the end of the year. The season is salvageable.

 

[IPS]

The Babcock proteges around the league sure are looking pretty right now.

Todd McLellan stunk up the joint in Edmonton so they ditched his ass and they're 1st in the West. Meanwhile, he goes over to LA and they look even worse than last year.

'Ole Jeff Blashill over in Detroit seems to have made precisely zero progress with the Wings' structure whatsoever. Thanks to his incompetence dealing with Tatar they ended up giving the stinky Habs a pretty damn good player. Just looked over on the Wings board and they've had enough of him.

I wonder how Babcock's feeling about his "not enough puck to go around" ideology seeing the Bruins' top line dominate the league en route to 10-1-2 start to the season.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

The Babcock proteges around the league sure are looking pretty right now.

Todd McLellan stunk up the joint in Edmonton so they ditched his ass and they're 1st in the West. Meanwhile, he goes over to LA and they look even worse than last year.

'Ole Jeff Blashill over in Detroit seems to have made precisely zero progress with the Wings' structure whatsoever. Thanks to his incompetence dealing with Tatar they ended up giving the stinky Habs a pretty damn good player. Just looked over on the Wings board and they've had enough of him.

I wonder how Babcock's feeling about his "not enough puck to go around" ideology seeing the Bruins' top line dominate the league en route to 10-1-2 start to the season.

Bill Belichicks assistants go on and fail everywhere as HCs. Almost every single one and he’s the greatest coach in NFL history. There is plenty to rip on Babcock for.. how guys from his coaching tree are doing elsewhere is not one of them.

 

[ZEBROA]

The team needs a new voice in the lockerroom. Mr T , maby? "I pity the fool who dont do as i say"

 

[Future]

Make no mistake, it was Lamoriello and Hunter that created the team and mindset that brought the Leafs to their highest point total in team history. Enter Dumbass, who I guess Shanahan thought would be, oh so, 2018 to have a young, groovy GM. Probably parties with the Leaf youth. Certainly overpaid them all. Discipline is the thing that old f***ers bring to the table. Make'em shave, wear suits to work, treat female security guards with respect. These guys are not mature enough to do that on their own. Show me a disciplined, hard working and respectful group and I'll show you a winner. This team has none of that.

This might be the most irrational “boomer” post that I’ve seen on this board. Not to mention off topic.

Anyways, daily reminder that Babcock needs to be fired and has underachieved almost every year here despite now having two top 10 centres, a top 10 winger, a top 10 defenseman and goalie (with plenty of depth I might add).

 

[TheGoldenJet]

The team needs a new voice in the lockerroom. Mr T , maby? "I pity the fool who dont do as i say"

Dubas needs Mr. T just as bad.

“I pity the fool who asks for 11 mil.”

 

[stickty111]

 

[Morbo]

This might be the most irrational “boomer” post that I’ve seen on this board. Not to mention off topic.

It's clearly personal with a lot of these people. I think at the base level it's seeing a younger person in charge that rubs them the wrong way.

Anyways, daily reminder that Babcock needs to be fired and has underachieved almost every year here despite now having two top 10 centres, a top 10 winger, a top 10 defenseman and goalie (with plenty of depth I might add).

Extremely talented players the Leafs have invested a great deal in are stagnating or even regressing under Babcock, instead of developing. He clearly doesn't have their ear any longer, if ever he did. It's a matter of time at this point.

 

[egd27]

when we had McBackup and Fred wasnt october Fred our special teams sucked (lost the Boston series because of it)
there was no team defence in sight ever
babcock was outcoached numerus times
good goaltending can mask a tonofbull**** but the fact is this team is a .50 team at best/since Dec 2018
and its on the coach because we have different players/different assistant coaches.
babcock is the only thing what remained the same

Well that and Nylander returning from his extended vacation.

 

[Pookie]

It's clearly personal with a lot of these people. I think at the base level it's seeing a younger person in charge that rubs them the wrong way.

If you feel that way, how do you square the fact that the favoured choice to replace Babcock is the 39 year old, Keefe?

Not every disagreement is ageism. Maybe they just don’t like the team he built and the rationale he gave for building it.

 

[IPS]

It's clearly personal with a lot of these people. I think at the base level it's seeing a younger person in charge that rubs them the wrong way.

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It's nothing new in life. People who see folks younger than them doing much more successful things in life than they are brings out the most rabid insecurity to the point where they blindly shit on everything they do and take every opportunity to chop them down.