Post-Game Talk: Slip sliding away Jets lose 1-0

[Royale With Cheese]

Four point game against a key division rival, and a game at home.

No excuse for that lazy first period.

Slip sliding away is right. Without Helle, this game is 4-0.

I miss my 17/18 Jets.

 

[potroaster]

That was the most boring hockey I have seen in years. Uninspired. 6 games at home. All defeats. Even Wheeler said it, It takes a period to get back to business at home. Ouch!!

 

[BoneDocUK]

Andrew Copp for Captain and future Jets head coach.
That is one smart, and honest, hockey guy.
So refreshing to hear him speak.

Yeah he's a great interview.

He's one player they couldn't really afford to scrimp on. Brings a lot of value, despite the occasional stone hands.

 

[Neuf]

Andrew Copp for Captain and future Jets head coach.
That is one smart, and honest, hockey guy.
So refreshing to hear him speak.

But man if he buried his chances...

 

[LowLefty]

Since when is zone time the name of the game?

With our O talent, it should be an important stat -
Off night tonight for most of them - couldn't generate much despite the fact that they had Ozone minutes to support more scoring.
This is one problem I thought we would not have - scoring goals when in the zone.
There's more to it than that and I don't want to over simplify - but the major challenge I have seen, and expected, was zone exits.
A more important stat might be a breakdown of which lines made up that zone time -

 

[surixon]

With our O talent, it should be an important stat -
Off night tonight for most of them - couldn't generate much despite the fact that they had Ozone minutes to support more scoring.
This is one problem I thought we would not have - scoring goals when in the zone.
There's more to it than that and I don't want to over simplify - but the major challenge I have seen, and expected, was zone exits.
A more important stat might be a breakdown of which lines made up that zone time -

I think the biggest issue is that all too often the zone time was used to just generate a point shot. As our shot charts show a good many came from the point.

Imo that isn't the best strategy for good defensive team like the Preds that did a good job blocking shots, and cleaning up loose pucks in front.

Our defense had half our shots on target tonight which isn't optimum.

The Lowry line had one shot on target tonight and that was Copp's shorthanded attempt. A line can't get those types of minutes and generate nothing.

Scheifele and Connor only one shot each, the fourth line with a goose egg on the shot column as well.

SImply put our we need the forwards to get into shooting positions and shoot. Having the offense come from the defense isn't a long term recipe for success.

 

[LowLefty]

I think the biggest issue is that all too often the zone time was used to just generate a point shot. As our shot charts show a good many came from the point.

Imo that isn't the best strategy for good defensive team like the Preds that did a good job blocking shots, and cleaning up loose pucks in front.

Our defense had half our shots on target tonight which isn't optimum.

The Lowry line had one shot on target tonight and that was Copp's shorthanded attempt. A line can't get those types of minutes and generate nothing.

Scheifele and Connor only one shot each, the fourth line with a goose egg on the shot column as well.

SImply put our we need the forwards to get into shooting positions and shoot. Having the offense come from the defense isn't a long term recipe for success.

Thanks for posting this - the eye test also supports the point shots.
Is that planned or are we simply not getting into position for more dangerous shots?
I don't think it's just today's game either - our point guys are getting lots of looks - maybe the opposition is giving us that lane knowing we don't have a lot of cannons back there and we are not that strong in front of the net. There have been a couple of deflections lately but we rarely see anything off the rebound.

 

[LowLefty]

But man if he buried his chances...

Him and Lowry - we'd never lose a game

 

[surixon]

Thanks for posting this - the eye test also supports the point shots.
Is that planned or are we simply not getting into position for more dangerous shots?
I don't think it's just today's game either - our point guys are getting lots of looks - maybe the opposition is giving us that lane knowing we don't have a lot of cannons back there and we are not that strong in front of the net. There have been a couple of deflections lately but we rarely see anything off the rebound.

Maurice has stated in an interview that he wants a lot of offense from the points so one of the chief offensive strategies is the point shot. Its substantiated by Copp's interview today where he talks about there being more opportunities where they should have gotten the puck back to the points.

The one draw back from this strategy is that we often don't have enough traffic in front of the net to maximize the chances of a tip in or a screened shot getting through.

We need to augment the point shot strategy with opening up plays down low and into the slot. More movement and rotations are needed by our forwards to get open in the slot. The second and third line don't do near a good enough job of this. I think switching Connor and Ehlers helps as it spreads out our good and smart slot shooter to two lines.

Our third line needs some speed so maybe move Roslovic down to help that line gain more controlled entries.

Get Perrault with Wheeler Connor

 

[Adam da bomb]

Plus side at least Helly is back to being good.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Yeah, we should have taken Matthews. CHEVY, YOU IDIOT, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE MATTHEWS? Oh yeah, he was already taken.

Seriously, why are you comparing him to Matthews? What does that have to do with Laine? Are you a closet Leafs fan?

Goals win games. Assists produce goals. Why do you think players are given points for them?

Easy there Morty,
I hate the Leafs.
I reference him because they were picked 1 and 2 overall with some saying Laine is better. Have Crosby and Ovechkin not been compared to each other?
I think if the Jets are going to keep Laine long term it is because he can score goals not get assists but that is just me.
I am not saying he is a bad player but he is certainly not living up to the goal scoring pace of past years.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Read the first couple of pages... “RAWR...FIRE THE COACH!!”. Such an idiotic thing to burp up after every loss only for them to shut their pie hole after a win.

Maybe I should be equally vapid and demand an extension for Maurice after every win.

I was one who posted that based on losing 6 straight at home.
If you look at the standings teams with below .500 home records are out of playoff contention.
The factbis this team has been super inconsistent and it may be the right time for a coaching change.
They havev2 more at home if they lose both I would bet on that move being made.

 

[FonRiesen]

I was one who posted that based on losing 6 straight at home.
If you look at the standings teams with below .500 home records are out of playoff contention.
The factbis this team has been super inconsistent and it may be the right time for a coaching change.
They havev2 more at home if they lose both I would bet on that move being made.

What's most damning about this is that at home Mau controls the line matchups. So coaching strategy (at least that slice of it) theoretically plays a bigger role at home than on the road (relative to other factors contributing to wins). I don't know the size of this factor, but whatever they're doing isn't helping, and we need every tiny advantage we can get.

 

[Ggg99]

Excuses - early game, first game back from a road trip, my dog ate my homework. Pick one.

Bad bounces. The refs f***ed us again....

 

[Farmboy Patty]

I would say his lack of goals comes from the way PoMo wants him to play. While our coach has him playing a more rounded game. He has killed the kids goal scoring.

This. It was noticeable many times yesterday that Laine put's way more emphasis on defense than his linemates, and he broke at least 2 dangerous plays with his backchecking. He is doing it to stay on the top line, and having so much focus on it will inevitably lead to less goals scored by him. Defense should never be a top priority for a sniper of his pedigree.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Thanks for posting this - the eye test also supports the point shots.
Is that planned or are we simply not getting into position for more dangerous shots?
I don't think it's just today's game either - our point guys are getting lots of looks - maybe the opposition is giving us that lane knowing we don't have a lot of cannons back there and we are not that strong in front of the net. There have been a couple of deflections lately but we rarely see anything off the rebound.

It seems to be a coaching strategy that is built around low risk hockey, where the objective is to avoid any risky plays across the ice that could cause a turnover and expose our weak D. The F3 is way too high to give proper support down low, but instead we have 3 players backing up once we lose possession.

Here is a typical play:
1. Clear the red line, dump puck in
2. 1 or 2 forwards try to retrieve it
3. Battle along the boards or cycle until the puck is played back to the point
4. D-man now takes a harmless unscreened shot with little chance of going in, since our forwards are outmanned in the crease with the F3 giving support to the D.
5. Retreat

 

[Tommigun]

We dodged a bullet by not signing laine long term for big money in the off-season.

Laine has broken up more 2 on 1s than scored in the last few games so he’s earning his money that way. First he was a sniper, then a playmaker, now he seems to be a defensive forward. Weird.

 

[PhilJets]

Maurice has stated in an interview that he wants a lot of offense from the points so one of the chief offensive strategies is the point shot.

Get Perrault with Wheeler Connor

Is that the equivalent of asking the Golden States Warriors to play post up offense?

I know Jets are not as vaunted offensively but i can't think of a better example right now.

 

[PaulPooley]

Laine has broken up more 2 on 1s than scored in the last few games so he’s earning his money that way. First he was a sniper, then a playmaker, now he seems to be a defensive forward. Weird.

Patrik “Zelig” Laine

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Is that the equivalent of asking the Golden States Warriors to play post up offense?

I know Jets are not as vaunted offensively but i can't think of a better example right now.

Whatever it is, it’s stifling our offensive output when we have our forwards either playing along the boards or carrying our defenders, and our defensemen shooting from the periphery.

 

[DannyGallivan]

I'm curious as to how a team with so much offensive talent up front looks so flat in the offensive zone.

They kept circling the net all night long, but rarely got within 20 feet of it.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Whatever it is, it’s stifling our offensive output when we have our forwards either playing along the boards or carrying our defenders, and our defensemen shooting from the periphery.

It isn’t coaching/playing to win so much as playing not to lose. Makes some sense for a team like MIN that is defensively sound-ish with limited offence to play this way, but for a team like the Jets, with high-powered offence and thin D it means that we’re stuck playing from behind a lot while at the same time struggling through a system geared to team weakness, not strength.

Watching KC and 55 waft around the ozone while Laine plays 3rd D is maddening. And for what? We still give up odd-man rushes and cross/lead passes aplenty, while blowing our own simple passes, dumping and not quite chasing and playing negative hockey a fair bit of the tine.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Andrew Copp for Captain and future Jets head coach.
That is one smart, and honest, hockey guy.
So refreshing to hear him speak.

I remember when we drafted him, he was actually noted to be captain material.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You are right, regardless of how much it hurts to agree with that...huge Lowry fan, always thought he was capable of much more.

Me too. I thought some scoring would come. Instead, what he had has gone away.

 

[tntkid]

They kept circling the net all night long, but rarely got within 20 feet of it.

The way Nashville played defense where they had 3 to four players in front of their net with an aggressive fore check stopped any of our offense.

It was obvious to predict we were getting shutout.