Post-Game Talk: Slip sliding away Jets lose 1-0

[teamfortheone]

Some of this is on Laine too. Ovi is very quick to move around and help find the open lanes as well. He also fires repeatedly. Laine is a picky shooter on the PP. Something Ovi has never been.

Some of this is on Laine too. Ovi is very quick to move around and help find the open lanes as well. He also fires repeatedly. Laine is a picky shooter on the PP. Something Ovi has never been.

Agree with positioning. He should be quicker finding the lane. But there’s no point trying to one-time Pionk’s otherwordly slow PP passes.

 

[Duke749]

Agree with positioning. He should be quicker finding the lane. But there’s no point trying to one-time Pionk’s otherwordly slow PP passes.

If his shot is so great it shouldn’t matter.

 

[Ggg99]

Some of this is on Laine too. Ovi is very quick to move around and help find the open lanes as well. He also fires repeatedly. Laine is a picky shooter on the PP. Something Ovi has never been.

This is a good point. I also think Laine needs to move a little more to find open ice on the PP.

But it's also frustrating to watch him sometimes looking to get open but never getting the pass.

I also think it's symptomatic of our coaches allowing wheeler and scheifele to influence things hence the wheeler seam passes to the slot and down low to Connor being the primary PP Focus.

If it were me I would mimic the Washington PP with the primary objective of getting Laine the one-timer as they do with Ovechkin and leave the first unit out for the full 2 minutes.

If your preference is to watch Copp, Perrault, Betteto with pp minutes then have at it. But I guess theyre vets so they've earned it.

 

[Neuf]

Running the offense through the point the year after Buff, Trouba, Chiarot, and even Myers are all gone. Can anyone remaining shoot as hard as Chia or Trouba, or as close to the net as Buff? Makes no sense to rely on tips and deflections in front if the shot is a muffin that's going wide.

 

[Do or Die]

We have a dysfunctional bottom 6 up front, and a mostly talent less bottom 4 on D. Not quite sure what "system" is supposed to address this......

 

[Duke749]

This is a good point. I also think Laine needs to move a little more to find open ice on the PP.

But it's also frustrating to watch him sometimes looking to get open but never getting the pass.

I also think it's symptomatic of our coaches allowing wheeler and scheifele to influence things hence the wheeler seam passes to the slot and down low to Connor being the primary PP Focus.

If it were me I would mimic the Washington PP with the primary objective of getting Laine the one-timer as they do with Ovechkin and leave the first unit out for the full 2 minutes.

If your preference is to watch Copp, Perrault, Betteto with pp minutes then have at it. But I guess theyre vets so they've earned it.

Why exactly would you not want to do that. It helps to open things up. Forces the pk to collapse down hopefully opening up the one timer. You can’t just force it to Laine. You have to make other guys a threat too. That’s the idea behind a good PP. Not knowing where it’s going and having everyone being a threat.

Running the offense through the point the year after Buff, Trouba, Chiarot, and even Myers are all gone. Can anyone remaining shoot as hard as Chia or Trouba, or as close to the net as Buff? Makes no sense to rely on tips and deflections in front if the shot is a muffin that's going wide.

Most defensemen can’t beat a goalie clean from that far out anyways so it’s pointless. Hell most of Chiarot’s goals the last year and this year aren’t even slappers.

And Myers mostly took wristers through traffic and for tips anyways. Slap shots are very easy to read.

 

[Duke749]

We have a dysfunctional bottom 6 up front, and a mostly talent less bottom 4 on D. Not quite sure what "system" is supposed to address this......

The one where you pray.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Uhhhh, no. Matthews is garbage defensively. Laine is not. Laine forechecks, backchecks, hits hard, passes beautifully and has great vision and he is getting better all the time.

This is hyperbole. Matthews and Laine are about the same when it comes to defense/effort-average. In any event, for all these accolades Laine still hasn't been able to elevate himself to more than the 3rd or 4th most productive player on the team. Shoot, after a slow start Wheeler is on par.

 

[Duke749]

You know what the top unit PP is desperately missing guys? An effective passer down low. 99% of the time that unit goes through Wheeler for better or worse. There’s no secondary player that will set things up and someone down low could do that.

 

[ffh]

This is a good point. I also think Laine needs to move a little more to find open ice on the PP.

But it's also frustrating to watch him sometimes looking to get open but never getting the pass.

I also think it's symptomatic of our coaches allowing wheeler and scheifele to influence things hence the wheeler seam passes to the slot and down low to Connor being the primary PP Focus.

If it were me I would mimic the Washington PP with the primary objective of getting Laine the one-timer as they do with Ovechkin and leave the first unit out for the full 2 minutes.

If your preference is to watch Copp, Perrault, Betteto with pp minutes then have at it. But I guess theyre vets so they've earned it.

What are you saying. That connor is the primary pp go to guy for wheeler and not laine. What are you watching. The whole pp is wheeler trying to get it to laine and when he does him missing the net or getting stopped. And by the way Washington has one of the the worst pp in league last last few months.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

such a ridiculous comment. He's given way too much rope. Prime linemantes, prime PP time. Almost never gets benched although there's games he should be (as is the case for every player)

And no, he's not a ppg player like everyone claims he is. Yeah he'll be in the mid 70s which is great, but he's no 50 goal scorer and never will be. 30+40 is fantastic, but anyone that thinks he's going to morph into Ovi 2.0 at this point is going to be disappointed.

As much as I hate saying this: Matthews will hit 50 at least once in his career with a way more rounded game and Laine never will

If you're trying to keep pace in the ridiculous comment department, saying Laine will never have a 50 goal season is a good way to do it.

 

[robertocarlos]

Ehlers replaces Pionk and there is no PP2. It's PP1 or bust.

 

[Duke749]

Ehlers replaces Pionk and there is no PP2. It's PP1 or bust.

Doesn’t fix the problem. Probably creates more honestly.

 

[ffh]

If you're trying to keep pace in the ridiculous comment department, saying Laine will never have a 50 goal season is a good way to do it.

Laine will never have a 50 goal season. Dont think connor will either and he is a better goal scorer then laine. Laine is the primary go to guy on the pp and he might get 25 goals. Its time to make scheifele and connor the go to guys on the pp.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is hyperbole. Matthews and Laine are about the same when it comes to defense/effort-average. In any event, for all these accolades Laine still hasn't been able to elevate himself to more than the 3rd or 4th most productive player on the team. Shoot, after a slow start Wheeler is on par.

Matthews garbage defensively might be a bit of an overstatement. He sure isn't good at it and doesn't appear to try very hard. Laine is not about the same as that at all. Haven't you heard? He backchecks now. His scoring has been pretty cold lately, both G's & A's. All players have hot and cold periods.

Laine is the least of our problems right now.

 

[Howard Chuck]

If his shot is so great it shouldn’t matter.

Not true. if the goalie has time to set up and a defender is right in your lane, there isn't much anyone can do.

 

[Jets 31]

When Buff got hurt last season remember how bad the PP got with Trouba at the point ? Not having a healthy Buff has hurt this team in many different ways , the PP is just one . He used to PK as well , very good at tying guys sticks up in front of the net and getting guys out of the front of the net . Losing your #1 defenseman is going to effect the teams play no matter who the team is that's lost their #1 .

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Laine will never have a 50 goal season. Dont think connor will either and he is a better goal scorer then laine. Laine is the primary go to guy on the pp and he might get 25 goals. Its time to make scheifele and connor the go to guys on the pp.

He's already had a 44 goal season as a 19 year old. Look, I'm as pessimistic as anyone on this board, but I'm smart enough to know that trying to predict what anyone will or won't do in the future is a fool's errand. I believe he has the ability to score 50 goals in a season. Whether he will or not, nobody knows.

 

[Positive]

the PP was trash first month of the year. 8th in Nov, 6th in Dec and 5th so far in Jan.

but Laine doesn't score on it so it's all bad

Allow me to present my Laine-Fanboi scoring system (no offense to the more even-keeled Laine fans):

Laine scores OR 2+ assists = win
Laine 1 assist = OT loss/loser point
Laine 0 pts = loss
Actual game score = doesn't matter
NHL team standings = doesn't matter
Rocket Richard trophy = Stanley Cup Trophy
Considered 'Better than Matthews' = HHOF induction

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Matthews garbage defensively might be a bit of an overstatement. He sure isn't good at it and doesn't appear to try very hard. Laine is not about the same as that at all. Haven't you heard? He backchecks now. His scoring has been pretty cold lately, both G's & A's. All players have hot and cold periods.

Laine is the least of our problems right now.

It's already been shown that Matthews doesn't always properly cover his own end.

 

[rubikscube]

If you're trying to keep pace in the ridiculous comment department, saying Laine will never have a 50 goal season is a good way to do it.

I <3 finland

 

[DRW204]

Laine will never have a 50 goal season. Dont think connor will either and he is a better goal scorer then laine. Laine is the primary go to guy on the pp and he might get 25 goals. Its time to make scheifele and connor the go to guys on the pp.

you might be right, but i think he still does have potential to hit 50 at his peak. it's a large number but if he somehow can shoot like he did his first two seasons it's possible. he scored 44 in a shade under 16.5 mins a night in 17-18. no player has ever achieved 40+ goals in lower amount of TOI per game (since the NHL has been tracking TOI stats in '98).... granted he doesn't pk however there's still more EV TOI he could still get as his game keeps on improving

 

[Ggg99]

Why exactly would you not want to do that. It helps to open things up. Forces the pk to collapse down hopefully opening up the one timer. You can’t just force it to Laine. You have to make other guys a threat too. That’s the idea behind a good PP. Not knowing where it’s going and having everyone being a threat.



Most defensemen can’t beat a goalie clean from that far out anyways so it’s pointless. Hell most of Chiarot’s goals the last year and this year aren’t even slappers.

And Myers mostly took wristers through traffic and for tips anyways. Slap shots are very easy to read.

My point is the focus seems to be Wheeler to Scheif in the slot or down low to Connor or Wheeler just shots a muffin into the goalie or off the glass and out of the zone. Or to the point where Pionk has no cannon and may feather a slow one to Laine.

Focus is not to Laine for the one-timer. It should be. Sure do the other things to keep the pk honest but focus on the Laine one-timer.

Ovechkin has the 3rd most PP goals in history doing it. Laine has potential to emulate this but the scheme needs to change. Coaches (Wheeler) need to figure it out and adjust.

 

[Duke749]

My point is the focus seems to be Wheeler to Scheif in the slot or down low to Connor or Wheeler just shots a muffin into the goalie or off the glass and out of the zone. Or to the point where Pionk has no cannon and may feather a slow one to Laine.

Focus is not to Laine for the one-timer. It should be. Sure do the other things to keep the pk honest but focus on the Laine one-timer.

Ovechkin has the 3rd most PP goals in history doing it. Laine has potential to emulate this but the scheme needs to change. Coaches (Wheeler) need to figure it out and adjust.

Have you just ignored the other teams lately. They’re taking that option away. Of course we could just force it and hope it happens to work even though we may just kill off our own PPs 90% of the time but hey, at least Laine is getting a chance!!!

 

[Farmboy Patty]

If his shot is so great it shouldn’t matter.

Really? So you are saying that the amount of time that the PK and goalie has time to get set, block the lanes and square up to the shot, doesn’t matter?

Pionk’s passes aren’t just sloooow by the way, he also telegraphs them like an amateur boxer throwing a sloooow haymaker. It often does more harm then good because it’s a waste of time and energy, when all Laine can do half of the time is to return the puck to either Pionk or Wheeler.