Post-Game Talk: Slip sliding away Jets lose 1-0

[Duke749]

I think there would be considerable interest in Wheeler and he would wave any NMC. Would have to take some $ back though

Not gonna happen and a bad idea to boot.

 

[cdem72]

Was at the game, it was really quite, but who could blame the fans for that, just another lack luster performance. Biggest cheer was when the wedding proposal was accepted,

 

[PaulPooley]

If I was Chipman, I think I’d be a bit frustrated with where things stand with my team at this point.

 

[LowLefty]

I think the overarching point of what I was trying to convey is that we need to lower our expectations for this team. I’m guilty of hand wringing over poor performances but I feel like at this point, accepting that this is a bad team and enjoying small victories is the healthiest option.

It's hard to be a fan when you set your expectations around reality

I agree - we have serious holes in our D and our O is struggling to play in a game where they can't open it up.
Although you don't mention it, Mo's in a tough spot as well - how to you build a system or game plan around these holes?
If you open it up, play the youth, and likely lose anyway, you're in trouble unless the org is behind you and supports what is more of a growth plan than a winning plan.
If you try to button it down by sprinkling in a few rusty vets, duct tape and shoe polish, everyone see's it for what it is - a desperate attempt to squeak into the PO's. Same problems in the same areas only they're different.

It likely comes down to Chevy - what does he want to salvage out of 2019/2020? A playoff showing or bust? Rebuilt at the deadline and through next years prospects? Tough spot to be in -

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think the overarching point of what I was trying to convey is that we need to lower our expectations for this team. I’m guilty of hand wringing over poor performances but I feel like at this point, accepting that this is a bad team and enjoying small victories is the healthiest option.

This is a bad team with some very good players. But there is nowhere on my scale of expectations where today's game is acceptable. I can't lower my expectations that far. The Preds are also a bad team with some good players.

I agree generally with not expecting too much and enjoying the small victories though.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ok..?

Ummmm - I dunno', OK, I guess.

 

[Mud Turtle]

That is the obvious problem. To get a return that makes the better they likely have to trade 1 of the 3 young wingers. Little, Wheeler are untradeable. Cant trade Scheifele cause no other C's. Roslovic, Perrault, Lowry are not going to get a big return.

Speaking of Lowry, I miss the big mean fast team from a couple seasons ago that scared other teams. Where did that team go? Seems the Jets now rather dump and turn than paste the opposition into the boards. Does Buff missing make the entire team soft/timid?

Pretty much everyone who walked or has been traded had some bite to their game. Lemieux, Tanev and Chiarot come to mind. And of course Buff being “away”.
That’s a lot of physicality gone in a short time.

 

[winnipegger]

Just a tough game, Nashville was tight gapping and didn't give the Jets anything. Honestly not a bad performance. If they can grind like that going forward I think the results will come.

 

[Channelcat]

Not gonna happen and a bad idea to boot.

I agree, he is still one of the top players in the league. Return would need to be huge.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They need a shake up. I see other teams try to fix problems, Jets just say, be patient. Somehow I don't think the Leafs would have left the Byfuglien situation just in Limbo. I am sure they would have found a way to utilize that Cap space. It makes me wonder if the Jets ownership is simply trying to save money. Even the Ottawa Senators are spending more than us on their team.

Don't know what you think Jets could do about the Buff situation. There is absolutely nothing they can do. They can't use that cap space. Until the grievance is settled they need to be prepared to pay Buff for this entire season.

They need a ruling on that. I hope, and assume, they are doing everything they can to get it moving. Whatever that may be. Meantime, Buff might be ready to put on a pair of skates.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Forwards' puck management is just gross. Keep blaming the D but if the forwards are lazy with the puck and don't outscore their mistakes we don't stand a chance

We are going to win very few games if we can't score at least 1 goal. I think the only time they were dangerous today was that big rebound that hopped over Scheifele's stick. So 1 mistake was too much for them to outscore today.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Leaving the Buff situation hanging over our heads is on Chevy at this point.

How do you expect him to expedite the grievance process? How do you expect him to accelerate Buff's healing process? What the **** do you think he should have done?

 

[AKAChip]

It's hard to be a fan when you set your expectations around reality

I agree - we have serious holes in our D and our O is struggling to play in a game where they can't open it up.
Although you don't mention it, Mo's in a tough spot as well - how to you build a system or game plan around these holes?
If you open it up, play the youth, and likely lose anyway, you're in trouble unless the org is behind you and supports what is more of a growth plan than a winning plan.
If you try to button it down by sprinkling in a few rusty vets, duct tape and shoe polish, everyone see's it for what it is - a desperate attempt to squeak into the PO's. Same problems in the same areas only they're different.

It likely comes down to Chevy - what does he want to salvage out of 2019/2020? A playoff showing or bust? Rebuilt at the deadline and through next years prospects? Tough spot to be in -

I never disputed that Maurice is in a tough spot. Any coach would be. But I also think that it’s a dangerous precedent to say that there was nothing he personally could do with this roster to help the team succeed. I also think that people are more willing to cut him some slack because the team’s current record is merely mediocre rather than outright terrible and it’s masked the fact that this really is one of the worst teams in the league. The roster may have holes but he isn’t elevating anything. And without historic goaltending for two months, this would be a bottom five team record wise as well.

I don’t begrudge him for playing “safe” vets to try to save his job. I fundamentally disagree that it’s the right move but I also think it’s clear he feels like he has to be in desperation mode. I also recognize that the Byfuglien situation clearly put this team in a no win situation. Still, this team is floundering and Maurice very clearly isn’t going to be the guy who is going to lead the turnaround. I suppose letting his contract run out and not renewing is a fine option at this point too, though I could see a turnaround into a playoff team with a new coach. Either way, he can’t be this team’s coach next year. It’s unfathomable.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yep, him and his 15 goals is a ppg.

You really don't know the difference between a ppg and a gpg?

 

[Eyeseeing]

At this point leaving it be is likely how it’s going to be.
I think we are going to barely hang on to WC spot so no illusions to a successful season ending.
I think I’ve resigned myself to enjoying whatever comes now.
The coaching situation will be known to us in April I’m guessing.
If Maurice moves on I’d be extremely disappointed if we don’t clean house on the coaching staff.
I’d like to start with a clean slate.

 

[Channelcat]

I never disputed that Maurice is in a tough spot. Any coach would be. But I also think that it’s a dangerous precedent to say that there was nothing he personally could do with this roster to help the team succeed. I also think that people are more willing to cut him some slack because the team’s current record is merely mediocre rather than outright terrible and it’s masked the fact that this really is one of the worst teams in the league. The roster may have holes but he isn’t elevating anything. And without historic goaltending for two months, this would be a bottom five team record wise as well.

I don’t begrudge him for playing “safe” vets to try to save his job. I fundamentally disagree that it’s the right move but I also think it’s clear he feels like he has to be in desperation mode. I also recognize that the Byfuglien situation clearly put this team in a no win situation. Still, this team is floundering and Maurice very clearly isn’t going to be the guy who is going to lead the turnaround. I suppose letting his contract run out and not renewing is a fine option at this point too, though I could see a turnaround into a playoff team with a new coach. Either way, he can’t be this team’s coach next year. It’s unfathomable.

Yes, he was dealt a shitty hand this year in some ways, but in the past couple of seasons having a D of Buff, Morrissey, Trouba, Myers, Chiarot, Kulikov......that just doesn't happen in the cap world. We like to rag on those guys but it was an elite d group. And for most of it we put up sub par d stats lol. Complete amateur hour.

 

[JetsNut]

JETs need a big move. Trade an Ehlers Conner or Laine. This group isn't working. Moving Perrault or Roslovic ain't getting you ****

Jets need a move alrighty. A coaching move!

 

[PhilJets]

Yes, he was dealt a ****ty hand this year in some ways, but in the past couple of seasons having a D of Buff, Morrissey, Trouba, Myers, Chiarot, Kulikov......that just doesn't happen in the cap world. We like to rag on those guys but it was an elite d group. And for most of it we put up sub par d stats lol. Complete amateur hour.

He is dealt a tough hands on defense

But goalies
And forward groups
Still one of the best in the league.
Well if you look at the names anyways.

 

[PhilJets]

Helle wasted a good game. Jets started like they had taken sleeping pills for breakfast. How does a whole team go like that at the same time?

They got a little better after the first period but I don't think they ever really looked dangerous, except in their own end. What a turd of a game.

They were like this almost all year last year during early games.

I thought early this year they got it going but last 2 early games seems they getting back to bad habit of

Prep
Eating
Nap
Don't know

 

[Eyeseeing]

He is dealt a tough hands on defense

But goalies
And forward groups
Still one of the best in the league.
Well if you look at the names anyways.

I don’t think this season is salvageable with this D corps.
Maurice has done a reasonable job all things considered.
There’s an issue of diminishing returns similar to last year, a shake up is due even if it happens off season

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Goals win games.
He is paid to score that is the 'big laine' stat.
Auston Matthews has 31
Enough said!

Yeah, we should have taken Matthews. CHEVY, YOU IDIOT, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE MATTHEWS? Oh yeah, he was already taken.

Seriously, why are you comparing him to Matthews? What does that have to do with Laine? Are you a closet Leafs fan?

Goals win games. Assists produce goals. Why do you think players are given points for them?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This post is not wrong.

Top six needs a shakeup. Badly. The offense isn’t there consistently.

ESL
CWP

We don't get enough scoring from our bottom 6 either, but that is a different problem. Maybe Little will come back and solve that.

 

[Duke749]

ESL
CWP

We don't get enough scoring from our bottom 6 either, but that is a different problem. Maybe Little will come back and solve that.

Swapping Connor and Ehlers would be a good way to go IMO. The top line has been a bit of a dud at times lately. Scheif and Connor are not consistent.

 

[JetsNut]

We dodged a bullet by not signing laine long term for big money in the off-season.

Laine is playing the hand he is dealt with the moron coach that we have. He’s insisted on defence first from and elite offensive player.
Heard a Mike Bossy interview the other day. After his first season he went to the coach worries that he would be less utilized in the future due to his offence first approach. At our told him “son you keep scoring goals at that rate and don’t worry too much about the rest.

 

[leer2006]

Goals win games.
He is paid to score that is the 'big laine' stat.
Auston Matthews has 31
Enough said!

I would say his lack of goals comes from the way PoMo wants him to play. While our coach has him playing a more rounded game. He has killed the kids goal scoring.