Confirmed Trade: [SJS/DET] Jake Walman and 2024 2nd round pick for future considerations

[izlez]

Detroit trades a dude for a dude + a 2nd, Detroit then trades Walman + 2nd for FC.

I just don't see the need for outrage here.
I think Detroit won the prospect swap and lost the Walman trade. WTF is the big deal?

What the hell is this logic? These things do not need to be connected.

Is trading a prime Datsyuk for a 4th rounder a good move because we only spent a 6th on him and its a net gain? Or should we evaluate each move independently based on the latest information?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Nah. Sharks don’t need Walman the way they needed Goodrow. They’re just happy to have the extra 2nd round pick.

It’s really just one big transaction from Detroit’s perspective: swap one prospect for another in order to dump Walman’s contract.

The Sharks are definitely happy to have the extra 2nd round pick but pretending like anyone knows who would claim Walman off waivers or not is presumptuous. The Sharks didn't need Goodrow in any real way. I agree they don't need Walman either but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have claimed him anyway. And pointing to Seravalli as if he's some authority on these sorts of things runs counter to the fact that he was embarrassingly wrong about Labanc going on waivers last season to such a point that he held and probably still holds a grudge over it.

 

[matt trick]

How long do you think it takes to send out a mass email to all the GMs saying "I'm looking to move Walman, send me a message if you're interested."?

I seem to recall a few instances where this was reported to have been done. Can't point to a specific instance (though I think it's happened for waivers) but found it a little amusing that this was actually the solution. Mass email all 32 teams about it. Unless a GM needs to be secretive (unlikely in this case), why not do this first.

 

[Rowlet]

Detroit trades a dude for a dude + a 2nd, Detroit then trades Walman + 2nd for FC.

I just don't see the need for outrage here.
I think Detroit won the prospect swap and lost the Walman trade. WTF is the big deal?

Because Detroit threw away a newly acquired 2nd to get rid of a player that someone would have given them an asset for.

 

[izlez]

It’s really just one big transaction from Detroit’s perspective: swap one prospect for another in order to dump Walman’s contract.

If Yzerman is unable to separate 2 transactions that are already separated for the benefit of the team, that is a problem.

 

[ZDH]

Because Detroit threw away a newly acquired 2nd to get rid of a player that someone would have given them an asset for.

We weren't getting assets for Jake Walman...

 

[Juxtaposer]

Jake has all the physical talent you could ask for, and sometimes makes some brilliant plays, but, unfortunately, for every brilliant play he makes, he follows it up with one or two brutal mental errors. I was hoping they could dump him, but even I was surprised that it took a 2nd round sweetener to make it happen. If you want, check out his advanced stats - they are awful.

You know who else’s advanced stats are awful? Moritz Seider.

 

[Mattb124]

Is there any possibility that this deal could be for Vlasic? He is owed a $2.5M signing bonus that is likely due on July 1st. So, perhaps SJ s paying the bonus before shipping him ro Detroit. The 2nd round pick is for this year, so that part of the deal had to be done before the draft. SJ may have wanted Walman before the draft too, so they would have the option of using him in a daft day deal.

I have no idea if such a trade is fair or not. It's simply based on the idea that the futures considerations is a player with a signing bonus due July 1. Vlasic appears to be the only Shark with a significant signing bonus.

Would it make good sense for DET to ship out ~$3M in cap to bring back $7M - even if that is not the cash impact?

 

[Rowlet]

We weren't getting assets for Jake Walman...

You really don't think someone would have given a 7th or some no-name prospect?

They didn't even try and waive him, someone probably would have taken him for free.

 

[ZDH]

You really don't think someone would have given a 7th or some no-name prospect?

They didn't even try and waive him, someone probably would have taken him for free.

No I don't. He's not particularly good and much more important his contract is terrible. In today's salary cap straped NHL you don't move assets for that.

The fact that they didn't even try waiving him is the most interesting. Stevie clearly thought that there was a 0% chance of a claim or the future considerations is actually something here. That part confuses me though as of right now.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

What the hell is this logic? These things do not need to be connected.

Is trading a prime Datsyuk for a 4th rounder a good move because we only spent a 6th on him and its a net gain? Or should we evaluate each move independently based on the latest information?

Is paying Wayne G 100M dollars a season in the form of pepperonis still a valid source of food?

See I can write things that have nothing to do with anything too.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

No I don't. He's not particularly good and much more important his contract is terrible. In today's salary cap straped NHL you don't move assets for that.

The fact that they didn't even try waiving him is the most interesting. Stevie clearly thought that there was a 0% chance of a claim or the future considerations is actually something here. That part confuses me though as of right now.

Weird post, he was Detroit’s second best D and there are two contracts amongst their D that are clearly worse. Sure he shouldn’t be playing top pairing but that’s not his fault and he wasn’t getting paid as such.

 

[izlez]

Is paying Wayne G 100M dollars a season in the form of pepperonis still a valid source of food?

See I can write things that have nothing to do with anything too.

Great. Seems like your starting to understand that connecting 2 separate trades to try to justify one terrible trade is nonsense.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Great. Seems like your starting to understand that connecting 2 separate trades to try to justify one terrible trade is nonsense.

Except the trades are connected.
We acquired a 2nd round pick.
We traded the 2nd round pick we acquired.
1 trade was a win.
1 trade was a loss.
The outrage over it is dumb.

 

[datsyukfan]

Except the trades are connected.
We acquired a 2nd round pick.
We traded the 2nd round pick we acquired.
1 trade was a win.
1 trade was a loss.
The outrage over it is dumb.

But why go win a trade and immediately go lose the next. Go win the first trade then trade Wallman for whatever asset you could get and then use the 2nd to attach to holl. If this was a 2nd and holl it would make sense. Walman is just not a negative value and especially not a 2nd round pick negative value. Nobody could ever convince me of that

 

[izlez]

Except the trades are connected.
We acquired a 2nd round pick.
We traded the 2nd round pick we acquired.
1 trade was a win.
1 trade was a loss.
The outrage over it is dumb.

So Yzerman assumed he was going to get Kiiskinen and a 7th for Gibson? And he just couldn't stop his momentum when he accidentally got more for Gibson than he planned? And you're ok with that? Why not try to win 2 trades?

They are 2 separate things. One was maybe a small win, and one was a big loss

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

But why go win a trade and immediately go lose the next. Go win the first trade then trade Wallman for whatever asset you could get and then use the 2nd to attach to holl. If this was a 2nd and holl it would make sense. Walman is just not a negative value and especially not a 2nd round pick negative value. Nobody could ever convince me of that

Don't know why. Neither does anyone else.

ponder this for a second.
Is Yzerman privy to information that we have no access to?
Is Yzerman deserving of a benefit of a doubt based on his past trades?

I think so and until this type of action forms into a pattern I see no need for outrage.
You can dislike it. You can call it out, sure. But the key word here is outrage.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

So Yzerman assumed he was going to get Kiiskinen and a 7th for Gibson? And he just couldn't stop his momentum when he accidentally got more for Gibson than he planned? And you're ok with that? Why not try to win 2 trades?

They are 2 separate things. One was maybe a small win, and one was a big loss

Do you know who Yzerman talked to? What did he say? What was he offered? How is Walman in the locker room? How is he at team meetings? What's his relationship with Yzerman like? What have they said in their conversations?

I can't answer these so how TF can I tell you why the trade went down the way it did?

You answer them.
You tell me sense you seem to know it all.

 

[izlez]

Do you know who Yzerman talked to? What did he say? What was he offered? How is Walman in the locker room? How is he at team meetings? What's his relationship with Yzerman like? What have they said in their conversations?

I can't answer these so how TF can I tell you why the trade went down the way it did?

You answer them.
You tell me sense you seem to know it all.

According to reporters who talked to sources on other teams, he talked to no one and thus was offered nothing although he could have been offered something

What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade​

Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

www.shapshotshockey.com

The other puzzling thing is that Yzerman apparently didn’t shop Walman around a ton. Based off some of my conversations and reading reports from others, there were multiple teams that would have been interested in actually trading something for Walman.

And if the Red Wings were truly desperate to be clear of Walman, they could have kept the second-round pick and simply waived him. The San Jose Sharks, I know for a fact, would have claimed him on waivers since they are first in the waiver order, like they did with Barclay Goodrow. In fact, I’ve heard San Jose was happily stunned when Yzerman simply didn’t ask for a return and offered a second-round pick sweetener.

 

[pappaf2]

I think the idea of the future considerations being Yzerman having Grier agree to not draft X player at 14 is plausible and that’s why the 2nd was included in the trade vs just a waiver claim

 

[gn2007]

I think the idea of the future considerations being Yzerman having Grier agree to not draft X player at 14 is plausible and that’s why the 2nd was included in the trade vs just a waiver claim

This is omit now with how san Jose just moved up 3 spots at 11th lol. I doubt buffalo at 14th will agree with the FC if sharks/wings lol. Honestly just look like a cap dump and get rid of walman in perspective.

 

[pappaf2]

This is omit now with how san Jose just moved up 3 spots and not buffalo is at 11th lol. Honestly just look like a cap dump and get rid of walman in perspective.

Yeah as soon as I posted the sharks moved up lol

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

According to reporters who talked to sources on other teams, he talked to no one and thus was offered nothing although he could have been offered something

What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade​

Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

www.shapshotshockey.com

Sweet.
I've read it already. thanks for not answering a single question and posting a link like it means anything

 

[123offtheglass]

Haven't paid that much attention to Walman but thought he & Seider had been pretty solid while getting buried consistently against tough matchups & d-zone starts. Was Seider really carrying him that much? If so, Seider really is one hell of a player that's underrated.

 

[Bench]

Haven't paid that much attention to Walman but thought he & Seider had been pretty solid while getting buried consistently against tough matchups & d-zone starts. Was Seider really carrying him that much? If so, Seider really is one hell of a player that's underrated.

Walman was bad enough to get healthy scratched when the Wings were clawing for a playoff spot. He had more value in the press box than on the ice at that point in the season. There was a lot of shine around Walman after he first arrived in Detroit but last year saw that fade and turn to rust.

Walman took games off and his defensive efforts were questionable. And this isn't some revisionist Red Wings fan cope. It was documented in the spring well before all this went down.

Detroit Red Wings' dust-up at practice is probably a good thing

There was a minor dust-up at Red Wings practice on Wednesday morning between Ben Chiarot and Lucas Raymond as tempers flared.

octopusthrower.com

Jake Walman, although he's a fan favorite, takes too many games/shifts off and, although he has shown flashes of being a top-pairing defender, can be equally detrimental to Moritz Seider's game at times with his ill-advised offensive risks and often being outworked in the defensive zone.​

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