Confirmed Trade: [SJS/DET] Jake Walman and 2024 2nd round pick for future considerations

[Hodge]

This isn't even squeezing every last drop. Sounds like no effort was made to see what he could get for Walman.

But who cares? At the end of the day the Red Wings swapped Gibson with Kiiskinen in order to dump Walman's contract. It's a nothing move.

 

[Hammettf2b]

But who cares? At the end of the day the Red Wings swapped Gibson with Kiiskinen in order to dump Walman's contract. It's a nothing move.

Because it's bad asset management. Assuming the rumors are true that Walman had value

 

[RedHawkDown]

Boy I'm glad you don't call the shots.

I'm obviously worked up right now because I legitimately can't believe Yzerman has made such a boneheaded, poorly thought out move.

But on a separate and serious note, I do truly think that like at least 30% of the people here would be better general managers than like 50% of the league, at least when it comes to asset management and decision-making on players. There's a lot of nepotism in sports; the majority of these guys have very few management qualifications apart from having just played NHL hockey before. It's why a guy like Kyle Davidson can come in and be a very strong GM without very much playing experience at all, because that part doesn't really matter.

 

[Hodge]

Because it's bad asset management. Assuming the rumors are true that Walman had value

Walman has negative value. The only halfway reputable source to report on this has been Frank Seravalli who said GMs were surprised at how significant the sweetener Detroit had to attach was, not that they were surprised a sweetener had to be attached in general.

So instead of calling up every team not on Walman's NTC to maybe offload his contract with a 3rd or 4th instead, Yzerman attached a 2nd and got it done immediately. The difference in value between those picks is ultimately insignificant.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Walman has negative value. The only halfway reputable source to report on this has been Frank Seravalli who said GMs were surprised at how significant the sweetener Detroit had to attach was, not that they were surprised a sweetener had to be attached in general.

So instead of calling up every team not on Walman's NTC to maybe offload his contract with a 3rd or 4th instead, Yzerman attached a 2nd and got it done immediately. The difference in value between those picks is ultimately insignificant.

Then why not waivers?

 

[ZDH]

Vancouver just paid a 2nd to dump Mikyaev (retained 15%) which is similar to Walman's deal. Nobody is making a fuss about that.

Might be the cost of doing business.

 

[Hodge]

Then why not waivers?

Because no one would have claimed him. Walman has negative value on that contract. Again, the Seravalli report was not that GMs were interested in trading assets for him. Some of them were just surprised it took a 2nd to move him rather than a smaller sweetener.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Because no one would have claimed him. Walman has negative value on that contract. Again, the Seravalli report was not that GMs were interested in trading assets for him. Some of them were just surprised it took a 2nd to move him rather than a smaller sweetener.

Didn't other GMs say they would have paid to get Walman? How is that negative value?

 

[Hodge]

Didn't other GMs say they would have paid to get Walman? How is that negative value?

Based on what? Some random podcaster’s “reporting”?

Seravalli didn’t say GMs would have paid to get Walman. He said some would have taken a lesser sweetener than a 2nd to acquire him.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Based on what? Some random podcaster’s “reporting”?

Seravalli didn’t say GMs would have paid to get Walman. He said some would have taken a lesser sweetener than a 2nd to acquire him.

And nobody would claim Walman off waivers based on what, some random poster on HF?

 

[Hodge]

And nobody would claim Walman off waivers based on what, some random poster on HF?

I mean it's mostly based on the fact Yzerman didn't bother waiving him to begin with.

 

[Hammettf2b]

I mean it's mostly based on the fact Yzerman didn't bother waiving him to begin with.

So Yzerman knew he wouldn't get claimed?

 

[Hodge]

So Yzerman knew he wouldn't get claimed?

That’s the only logical conclusion. It’s not surprising either. We’re talking about a 28 year old who has only played two NHL seasons, the latest of which was a disaster, and is signed for $3.4M through 2026.

 

[Rowlet]

Vancouver just paid a 2nd to dump Mikyaev (retained 15%) which is similar to Walman's deal. Nobody is making a fuss about that.

Might be the cost of doing business.

Mikheyev is much worse than Walman, and the Canucks got a 4th back. They only dropped 50-60 spots.

 

[Hammettf2b]

That’s the only logical conclusion. It’s not surprising either. We’re talking about a 28 year old who has only played two NHL seasons, the latest of which was a disaster, and is signed for $3.4M through 2026.

The entire point of this argument is Yzerman doing his due diligence. Not be some wizard predicting the future.

 

[TheBeard]

Gotta give it up to Hodge, who only started caring about the player two days ago and is now suddenly the most knowledgeable Jake fan in the world.

Vancouver just paid a 2nd to dump Mikyaev (retained 15%) which is similar to Walman's deal. Nobody is making a fuss about that.

Might be the cost of doing business.

A 2027 pick doesn’t carry the same value.

 

[Hodge]

Gotta give it up to Hodge, who only started caring about the player two days ago and is now suddenly the most knowledgeable Jake fan in the world.

I hope he has bigger fans than me. I think he's useless.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Detroit trades a dude for a dude + a 2nd, Detroit then trades Walman + 2nd for FC.

I just don't see the need for outrage here.
I think Detroit won the prospect swap and lost the Walman trade. WTF is the big deal?

 

[TheBeard]

I hope he has bigger fans than me. I think he's useless.

Never said biggest, I said “most knowledgeable”.

 

[gn2007]

Walman has negative value. The only halfway reputable source to report on this has been Frank Seravalli who said GMs were surprised at how significant the sweetener Detroit had to attach was, not that they were surprised a sweetener had to be attached in general.

So instead of calling up every team not on Walman's NTC to maybe offload his contract with a 3rd or 4th instead, Yzerman attached a 2nd and got it done immediately. The difference in value between those picks is ultimately insignificant.

San Jose would have picked him up on waivers like they did with goodrow.

 

[Boud]

Detroit trades a dude for a dude + a 2nd, Detroit then trades Walman + 2nd for FC.

I just don't see the need for outrage here.
I think Detroit won the prospect swap and lost the Walman trade. WTF is the big deal?

Because trading a 2nd rounder to get rid of a good player on a good contract doesn't make any sense, even if you think the team won the trade to acquire the 2nd rounder.

Detroit had other worse players they could've unloaded and RHD come at a premium. It's puzzling and the reaction is not surprising at all.

 

[iago]

Is he really that bad that they need to pay a 2nd??

Jake has all the physical talent you could ask for, and sometimes makes some brilliant plays, but, unfortunately, for every brilliant play he makes, he follows it up with one or two brutal mental errors. I was hoping they could dump him, but even I was surprised that it took a 2nd round sweetener to make it happen. If you want, check out his advanced stats - they are awful.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Detroit trades a dude for a dude + a 2nd, Detroit then trades Walman + 2nd for FC.

I just don't see the need for outrage here.
I think Detroit won the prospect swap and lost the Walman trade. WTF is the big deal?

Gibson >>> Kiiskinen.

I doubt Kiiskinen ever sees NHL ice.

 

[Hodge]

San Jose would have picked him up on waivers like they did with goodrow.

Nah. Sharks don’t need Walman the way they needed Goodrow. They’re just happy to have the extra 2nd round pick.

Because trading a 2nd rounder for a good player doesn't make any sense, even if you think the team won the trade to acquire the 2nd rounder.

Detroit had other worse players they could've unloaded and RHD come at a premium. It's puzzling and the reaction is not surprising at all.

It’s really just one big transaction from Detroit’s perspective: swap one prospect for another in order to dump Walman’s contract.

 

[SA16]

Walman has negative value. The only halfway reputable source to report on this has been Frank Seravalli who said GMs were surprised at how significant the sweetener Detroit had to attach was, not that they were surprised a sweetener had to be attached in general.

So instead of calling up every team not on Walman's NTC to maybe offload his contract with a 3rd or 4th instead, Yzerman attached a 2nd and got it done immediately. The difference in value between those picks is ultimately insignificant.

How long do you think it takes to send out a mass email to all the GMs saying "I'm looking to move Walman, send me a message if you're interested."?