Confirmed Trade: [SJS/DET] Jake Walman and 2024 2nd round pick for future considerations

[Empoleon8771]

Pagnotta, so probably not right, but could be

I am going to absolutely cry laughing if they traded a 2nd to clear out Walman's deal just to then trade assets for Gibson. Holy cow I'd piss myself laughing.

I've been pretty vocal on here about how I think Gibson is awful and is just riding a decade old reputation. But to see the GM that many consider one of the top GMs in hockey falling for that decade old reputation? That would be hilarious.

The dude is f'in awful at this point:

23-24: -9.6 GSAx in 46 games
22-23: -11.5 GSAx in 53 games
21-22: -14.3 GSAx in 56 games
20-21: -7.4 GSAx in 35 games
19-20: -18.0 GSAx in 52 games

He's probably the worst regular starting goalie statistically over the last 5 years.

 

[Roshi]

another idea could be that the future considerations is one unhappy Goodrow @50%, but they’ll have to wait until a retention slot opens up…! Isnt he an Yzerman guy?

Doesnt explain why they wouldnt just wait for that though, so unlikely

 

[Michoulicious]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805678634876944715

Wtf

 

[thrillhous]

At the risk of possibly repeating what others might have also posted (didn’t read too far) but to me this feels like just part 1 of a larger deal and the rest of it becomes clear later.

 

[Michoulicious]

No more griddy for you Jake...

Walman + 2nd +? for ???

I think it is a 3 way and #14 is in there

 

[Tatar Shots]

I can't think of any future consideration that wouldn't have made sense to just happen now besides an agreement to claim a player Detroit places on waivers after signing someone in free agency. I think it is more likely that the relationship here just really soured toward the end of the season.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Making room for Gibson?

 

[crazychimp]

Don’t follow the Wings much but Walman from what I’ve seen has been one of those clutch players how does a guy like this just receive “future considerations”? I feel his value is a bit higher than that.

 

[FissionFire]

I hope this isn’t to make room for Stamkos. That guy is cooked and will only get worse. Whomever signs him will quickly regret it.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I didn’t mind Walman. He was playing too far up the lineup. But he was pretty steady and had decent offensive instincts/abilities.

I don’t think a team in San Jose’s position is going to regret 3M per for 2 years. The 2nd rounder is just icing.

 

[The Red Line]

I am going to absolutely cry laughing if they traded a 2nd to clear out Walman's deal just to then trade assets for Gibson. Holy cow I'd piss myself laughing.

I've been pretty vocal on here about how I think Gibson is awful and is just riding a decade old reputation. But to see the GM that many consider one of the top GMs in hockey falling for that decade old reputation? That would be hilarious.

The dude is f'in awful at this point:

23-24: -9.6 GSAx in 46 games
22-23: -11.5 GSAx in 53 games
21-22: -14.3 GSAx in 56 games
20-21: -7.4 GSAx in 35 games
19-20: -18.0 GSAx in 52 games

He's probably the worst regular starting goalie statistically over the last 5 years.

A media guy saying “I wonder if a team like detroit…” has you criticizing the GM of team for something that hasn’t even happened yet is a reach.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

I am going to absolutely cry laughing if they traded a 2nd to clear out Walman's deal just to then trade assets for Gibson. Holy cow I'd piss myself laughing.

I've been pretty vocal on here about how I think Gibson is awful and is just riding a decade old reputation. But to see the GM that many consider one of the top GMs in hockey falling for that decade old reputation? That would be hilarious.

The dude is f'in awful at this point:

23-24: -9.6 GSAx in 46 games
22-23: -11.5 GSAx in 53 games
21-22: -14.3 GSAx in 56 games
20-21: -7.4 GSAx in 35 games
19-20: -18.0 GSAx in 52 games

He's probably the worst regular starting goalie statistically over the last 5 years.

I mean, he has played behind some of the statistically worst defenses in the last 5 years so it's hardly surprising.

Gibson is a head case but the talent is very much there. He will be somewhere between fine to great on a better team.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I'm wondering who @Petes2424 knows in the Wings org. He was talking about Walman being shipped out since March.

 

[norrisnick]

Ghost is a better version of Walman that can play both sides. I just don't want to pay him, but for the people saying Walman was a our second best defender, for a little while yes. Then his game fell off a cliff, that did happen it seems a lot of people missed the version of him that wasn't trying from February on. I get that he got nicked, but he missed on a lot of effort plays in March, it appears they have moved on from him as a result.

He plays both sides, but he really can't. He's useless on the left, because it's not advantageous to him offensively and defensively he sucks on either side. I would 1000% prefer Walman for 2 years at $3.whatever over Ghost at whatever the f*** he's signing for this summer.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I am going to absolutely cry laughing if they traded a 2nd to clear out Walman's deal just to then trade assets for Gibson. Holy cow I'd piss myself laughing.

I've been pretty vocal on here about how I think Gibson is awful and is just riding a decade old reputation. But to see the GM that many consider one of the top GMs in hockey falling for that decade old reputation? That would be hilarious.

The dude is f'in awful at this point:

23-24: -9.6 GSAx in 46 games
22-23: -11.5 GSAx in 53 games
21-22: -14.3 GSAx in 56 games
20-21: -7.4 GSAx in 35 games
19-20: -18.0 GSAx in 52 games

He's probably the worst regular starting goalie statistically over the last 5 years.

Imagine thinking GSAx stats are a reliable measure of how good a goalie is.

I'm wondering who @Petes2424 knows in the Wings org. He was talking about Walman being shipped out since March.

It was a fairly predictable outcome, it's just fact he was traded like a cap dump that is the surprising part.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Yzerman watching Walman do his 15th griddy.....

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I am going to absolutely cry laughing if they traded a 2nd to clear out Walman's deal just to then trade assets for Gibson. Holy cow I'd piss myself laughing.

I've been pretty vocal on here about how I think Gibson is awful and is just riding a decade old reputation. But to see the GM that many consider one of the top GMs in hockey falling for that decade old reputation? That would be hilarious.

The dude is f'in awful at this point:

23-24: -9.6 GSAx in 46 games
22-23: -11.5 GSAx in 53 games
21-22: -14.3 GSAx in 56 games
20-21: -7.4 GSAx in 35 games
19-20: -18.0 GSAx in 52 games

He's probably the worst regular starting goalie statistically over the last 5 years.

I agree 100%. Gibson hasn't been good for 5 seasons. All those negative GSAA stats mean he was worse than average. And the stat takes into account the bad defense in front of him. Dostal has been better than Gibson the last two seasons. Then you hear talk of Verbeek not wanting to retain and having a high price on Gibson. What? Even if Anaheim retains the maximum, Gibson is not returning much. I know Duck fans will defend him but the stats don't lie.

Imagine thinking GSAx stats are a reliable measure of how good a goalie is.


It was a fairly predictable outcome, it's just fact he was traded like a cap dump that is the surprising part.

What stat do you prefer for goalies?

 

[Shaman464]

Imagine thinking GSAx stats are a reliable measure of how good a goalie is.


It was a fairly predictable outcome, it's just fact he was traded like a cap dump that is the surprising part.

How about how the 23 year old goalie that he split duties with putting up a 0.902 sv% compared to Gibsons 0.888. Gibson is worse than a goalie barely breaking into the league.

 

[Pavels Dog]

What stat do you prefer for goalies?

Sv% is right there. Dig into advanced stats if you want to but it's extremely naive (and demonstrably false) to think they manage to account for extremes or have enough data points (at least the public models) to take the numbers at face value.

How about how the 23 year old goalie that he split duties with putting up a 0.902 sv% compared to Gibsons 0.888. Gibson is worse than a goalie barely breaking into the league.

I'm sure most GMs would rather trade for Dostal. Is he available?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

It was a fairly predictable outcome, it's just fact he was traded like a cap dump that is the surprising part.

The future considerations return paired with the additional second makes me think SJ is going to be retaining salary in a trade, possibly to move out Husso in a Saros trade. There is nothing to indicate that Walman needed to be a cap dump. Without additional trades this is just a really bad, unnecessary, dumb move.

 

[Shaman464]

Sv% is right there. Dig into advanced stats if you want to but it's extremely naive (and demonstrably false) to think they manage to account for extremes or have enough data points (at least the public models) to take the numbers at face value.


I'm sure most GMs would rather trade for Dostal. Is he available?

I have a bag of trash that’s available you want it? Just because someone else’s trash is available doesn’t mean you need to acquire it.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I have a bag of trash that’s available you want it? Just because someone else’s trash is available doesn’t mean you need to acquire it.

One man's trash is another's treasure..

 

[Shaman464]

One man's trash is another's treasure..

A used diaper is a used diaper. Detroit shouldn’t be in the business of bailing out teams from their shit contracts.
And at 6.4 million a year he’s a sun baked diaper.

 

[Pavels Dog]

A used diaper is a used diaper. Detroit shouldn’t be in the business of bailing out teams from their shit contracts.
And at 6.4 million a year he’s a sun baked diaper.

Let's wait and see. If a deal comes into fruition and there's no retention involved I would be surprised.

 

[Shaman464]

Let's wait and see. If a deal comes into fruition and there's no retention involved I would be surprised.

At 3.2 million and any assets going to Anaheim it would still be a fleece job by the Ducks. Detroit can find a sub .900 goalie for no assets and on a better contract in free agency.