Sidney Crosby hasn't won an Art Ross trophy after his age 26 season. Neither has McDavid. Will McDavid win more still?

[bobholly39]

Unless he retires after his age 30 season, I think he wins at least two more. I voted for three. Players who achieve a lot of marks with the moniker “only Gretzky and Lemieux have more or are higher” don’t become complete non-factors in scoring races past the age of 29 like Crosby.

People said the same thing of Crosby after 2014. Or at least, similar things. "Yeah, bad luck with health/freak injuries past couple of years, but he's finally healthy now, he's definitely winning at least 2-3 more art rosses".

Which is obviously kind of the point of this thread. It doesn't necessarily mean McDavid will follow suit in a same way, but there's been a lot of similarities between the 2 so far in their career, and often you just don't see it coming when a player like that slows down a bit.

For Crosby - it kind of worked out too, as he probably still had it in him to contend for Art Ross in 2017 or 2018, but seemed to pace himself a bit more in the season, and then come out swinging come playoffs. In many ways, you can say McDavid did exactly the same thing last season late in the year (very similar to Crosby 2017) where he slowed down but then came out strong in playoffs. And this year also he's doing good, but not necessarily #1 - and I expect McDavid will want to come out swinging in playoffs hoping to do even better then last year to win a cup.

 

[daver]

If he doesn't win this year, I am sure he would be the odds-on favourite for a couple more years but McDavid cements his legacy with Cup wins at this point.

Crosby was the best player in the league until age 30 so the OP is somewhat irrelevant.

Crosby won an unprecedented two Conn Smythes after the age of 27, that's what McDavid should be striving for.

 

[KCC]

MDavid doesn't seem like he cares anymore about regular season stuff. People said the same thing about him last season and he went into God mode when the playoff hits. That is proof we all know he's capable of doing whatever he wants if he puts his mind to it. If he wants to win another Art Ross he can. But I don't think that's on his mind anymore. He's won enough of that stuff to where if he retired tomorrow he'd be an instant lock for the HOF. lol. He has one thing on his mind only and that's a cup.

 

[WalterLundy]

Not even close. After McDavid sent him packing, Crosby got demolished by the scoring leader by 19, 28, 63, 43, 39, 60, 50, and probably by about 40-50 again this year. McDavid will soon be telling Crosby how he had 2 Conn Smythes by the time he won his first Cup, versus the 0 Crosby had until he was gifted one out of fear that there might never be another opportunity.

All of a sudden he’s an Avs fan when he should just be rooting for the leafs. Our fanbase already has so many just like him lash out weekly that are clearly tortured by Gretzky and McDavid. How Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby and Malkin aren't enough to be content is beyond me. Plus you also have all of the receipts from the SCF showing that he already knows it’s been over.

Losing out to a career year from MacKinnon is a bit different than losing out to Sophomore year McDavid & offensive juggernaut Jamie Benn.

Kucherov “banished” MacKinnon as even in his career year he didn’t beat him in the scoring race. McDavid only playing 76 games was huge too as through 76 games each, McDavid actually had more points than MacKinnon.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I think he has 2 more in him

Gotta give credit to mackinnon and kucherov though its not like mcdavid is losing to jamie benn

 

[ijuka]

But isn't McDavid's main competition for Art Ross older than him?

 

[WalterLundy]

Same as mack has banished mcdavid to this realm. Hopefully crosby n connor can get along. Hopefully crosby will lend a cup so mcdavid can drink.

Crosby should lend him the cup that was won for him as he watched from the bench in 2009. McDavid would get to see what timely performances from role player teammates does to your legacy in the eyes of gatekeepers and casual fans. 3 points and a -3 in those 7 games. Scoreless in his last 3 games registering only 3 shots. He honestly should throw that cup away anyway. Gifted the Smythe in 2016 and many pens fans agree with that one. Despite the two way play narrative and face offs he was outplayed by Logan Couture in the finals. Never led the team in scoring in any of the 3 cup wins. There is no player whose legacy is as fluffed and overblown as Crosby’s and yet it is these cup wins that prop him up as without them things are vastly different. It has to be done because his best seasons and individual awards are not up to par for a generational talent so overcompensating is necessary. I have always thought this about him. Always. You can be critical of narratives about players on your team. Maybe it’s partially because I saw Lemieux’s two Smythe performances but I doubt it. It’s just objectively true. He never has had a playoff like Gretzky or Lemieux or even a McDavid who is cupless.

Regular season:
Malkin:
201 GP: 95 G, 148 A, 243 P (1.21)
Per 82: 39 G, 60 A, 99 P

Crosby:
232 GP: 113 G, 164 A, 277 P (1.19)
Per 82: 40 G, 58 A, 98 P

Playoffs:
Malkin:
72 GP: 30 G, 52 A, 82 P (1.14)
Per 82: 34 G, 59 A, 93 P

Crosby:
72 GP: 29 G, 48 A, 77 P (1.07)
Per 82: 33 G, 55 A, 88 P

Combined Regular season and playoffs
Malkin:
273 GP: 125 G, 200 A, 325 P (1.19)
Per 82: 38 G, 60 A, 98 P
Crosby:
304 GP: 142 G, 212 A, 354 P (1.16)
Per 82: 38 G, 57 A, 95 P

In just the 3 seasons of cup wins, Crosby wasn’t even statistically the best player on his own team on a per game basis. In true biased fashion though Malkin gets the backseat even though he outproduced the team captain. If this ever happened to McDavid in the future nobody would count his cups and attack the validity of them.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby should lend him the cup that was won for him as he watched from the bench in 2009. McDavid would get to see what timely performances from role player teammates does to your legacy in the eyes of gatekeepers and casual fans. 3 points and a -3 in those 7 games. Scoreless in his last 3 games registering only 3 shots. He honestly should throw that cup away anyway. Gifted the Smythe in 2016 and many pens fans agree with that one. Despite the two way play narrative and face offs he was outplayed by Logan Couture in the finals. Never led the team in scoring in any of the 3 cup wins. There is no player whose legacy is as fluffed and overblown as Crosby’s and yet it is these cup wins that prop him up as without them things are vastly different. It has to be done because his best seasons and individual awards are not up to par for a generational talent so overcompensating is necessary. I have always thought this about him. Always. You can be critical of narratives about players on your team. Maybe it’s partially because I saw Lemieux’s two Smythe performances but I doubt it. It’s just objectively true. He never has had a playoff like Gretzky or Lemieux or even a McDavid who is cupless.

Regular season:
Malkin:
201 GP: 95 G, 148 A, 243 P (1.21)
Per 82: 39 G, 60 A, 99 P

Crosby:
232 GP: 113 G, 164 A, 277 P (1.19)
Per 82: 40 G, 58 A, 98 P

Playoffs:
Malkin:
72 GP: 30 G, 52 A, 82 P (1.14)
Per 82: 34 G, 59 A, 93 P

Crosby:
72 GP: 29 G, 48 A, 77 P (1.07)
Per 82: 33 G, 55 A, 88 P

Combined Regular season and playoffs
Malkin:
273 GP: 125 G, 200 A, 325 P (1.19)
Per 82: 38 G, 60 A, 98 P
Crosby:
304 GP: 142 G, 212 A, 354 P (1.16)
Per 82: 38 G, 57 A, 95 P

In just the 3 seasons of cup wins, Crosby wasn’t even statistically the best player on his own team on a per game basis. In true biased fashion though Malkin gets the backseat even though he outproduced the team captain. If this ever happened to McDavid in the future nobody would count his cups and attack the validity of them.

Its a good thing crosby is the far better player beyond offence.. snd takes the number 1 d assignments and is one of the greatest faceoff guys of all time