Should we go for Trotz

[saltming]

Trotz is a great coach and Lou in Long Island will eventually be fired for his big mistake in firing Trotz because the Islanders will be worse without him. Second, this is a problem with the leafs. Management and fans seem to beleive that the players run the show, I say this because of comments made here about having to get rid of players if they hire Trotz. This is one of the biggests reasons why the leafs loose when it matters most. Players get paid to play, not to run the team, players get paid very big bucks and need to get over it if they're feelings are not appeased. Honestly if a player complained about his feelings getting hurt, I would tell him, I really don't care about your feelings, get out there and play as your told to play. Or you will be traded. Where i work thin skinned workers are ridiculed and told to grow some balls and stop with the feely stuff or get another job. Thirdly for the Leafs to hire Trotz, yes he would have to have control of the roaster. He will decide who is in the line up and who is not and the position the player plays and the system the players play. The Caps realized and gave Trotz those keys and the players Like OV, Backstrom and Co understood that and they went all in because they wanted the Stanley Cup and beleive that Trotz could get them there. This same thing would have to happen here. If management continues to let the players dictate in areas they have no buisness dictating, they will never win the Cup. It is that simple.

Watching this young core from day one to now, anyone should be able to see how they listen and by into what the coach is asking.
They are maturing well and should keep doing that

 

[jgs]

But Islanders didn’t really have top goalies either. It is their system. I think Campbell can be very effective under Trotz

Did you read what Cooper said about the Leafs goalie, he said the Leafs have a good capable goaltender. How many goaltenders have the leafs brought in in the past 5 years and every year you all say we need a legit goaltender. Dose it don on you that maybe the goaltender position is not the problem but the defens in front of him is.

 

[saltming]

I can't see a head coaching change happening without a change (or even two) above him. Trotz certainly seems like the right hire if the intention is to bring in proven experience though.

Usually the coach goes first, then the GM if there is still no success. It has happened the other way but I think, and I have no stats so just going on memory, that usually the coach goes first

 

[Gabriel426]

I agree. I have a feeling that's the case though. Be interesting to see if there's any Matthews and Bieber sightings in the next few weeks

I really would not put that much stock in what players do in the off season. MJ went to Atlantic City inbetween playoff games.

 

[forecheck]

I am all in for having proven NHL Coach ... I would also like to see a proven NHL GM ... But I am silly to think that the richest franchise in the NHL would do such a thing ...

 

[JKG33]

I really would not put that much stock in what players do in the off season. MJ went to Atlantic City inbetween playoff games.

If Matthews dominates like MJ he can do whatever he wants

 

[Smif]

I'm actually pretty happy with Keefe but I swear that Islanders team on paper that Lou assembled sucked! I think Trotz might be an elite level coach and I'd be good with the change.

 

[saltming]

I am all in for having proven NHL Coach ... I would also like to see a proven NHL GM ... But I am silly to think that the richest franchise in the NHL would do such a thing ...

I have few issues with dubas tbh. His drafting has been great and he has acquired pieces that made the team better while not selling the farm.
If he doesn't persue Trotz aggressively at the least, then that would be his biggest gaff imo

 

[Buds17]

I don't necessarily believe the coach has full control of who plays and who is on the roster.

I believe Dubas has a large part of who is on the roster (kinda obvious).

Maybe during the game the coach decides who plays, but I also feel like Dubas has a control in that as well.

I figure there is overlap in both cases. The GM should be interested in how his players/acquisitions are utilized and the coach should care about the players he has access to. Dubas and Keefe have enough of a history together in which I'd assume they are philosophically on the same page more often than not. Never say never (Brian Burke firing Ron Wilson as Leaf coach), but I just can't see Dubas firing Keefe at this point in time.

 

[Trapper]

Agreed. In these years you would expect to advance at least once and as Einstein said, insanity is doing the same thing Iver and over but expecting a different result

Florida was spinning their wheels as well until coach Q came in. The Panthers never had bad players but couldn’t seem to figure it out. Even though Q had to resign due to the Chicago situation, his influence and something was instilled in the Panthers you would hope Trotz could bring here. It’s also a great way to examine the core moving forward. Who can cut it at clutch time or not. Why people insist on keeping someone skilled who just ends up on the losing end every time is beyond me. Let’s see who on the core can be turned into something both regular season and postseason.

 

[Gabriel426]

Did you read what Cooper said about the Leafs goalie, he said the Leafs have a good capable goaltender. How many goaltenders have the leafs brought in in the past 5 years and every year you all say we need a legit goaltender. Dose it don on you that maybe the goaltender position is not the problem but the defens in front of him is.

Be honest here, I don’t think Hutch was brought in as starting goalie.
There are two, Andersen and Campbell.
Andersen for some reason, he lets in weak goals in crucial times. Campbell will always manage to keep the Leafs in games.
I think abit of both, but more importantly Dubas needs to stop drafting only small puck moving Dman, bc they need some size in D. It didn’t dawn on me till last night when I was discussing with another poster, that it seemed like Leafs conceded less tip ins and deflection goals after Sandin got injured. I really think the Leafs need to learn to play more structure D as a team and I think they have shown that.
This past playoffs is really a playoffs where they took steps toward winning a Cup something they really have not done over the past two or three years.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Matthews dominates like MJ he can do whatever he wants

No doubt about it but at the same time, if he goes to party with Beiber in the off season, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to win or play hard. It is the off season, can’t expect any players to train 24/7.

 

[Buds17]

Usually the coach goes first, then the GM if there is still no success. It has happened the other way but I think, and I have no stats so just going on memory, that usually the coach goes first

Sounds about right. I was really referring to Keefe being Dubas' coach on multiple occasions (OHL, AHL, NHL) and Shanahan endorsing Dubas upon the latter's firing of Babcock. I'd be somewhat surprised if Keefe gets the axe soon while Dubas (and potentially even Shanahan) remains.

 

[JKG33]

No doubt about it but at the same time, if he goes to party with Beiber in the off season, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to win or play hard. It is the off season, can’t expect any players to train 24/7.

MJ was and still is obsessed with winning. If you want to make that comparison, Matthews needs to be that obsessed with winning too.

 

[saltming]

Florida was spinning their wheels as well until coach Q came in. The Panthers never had bad players but couldn’t seem to figure it out. Even though Q had to resign due to the Chicago situation, his influence and something was instilled in the Panthers you would hope Trotz could bring here. It’s also a great way to examine the core moving forward. Who can cut it at clutch time or not. Why people insist on keeping someone skilled who just ends up on the losing end every time is beyond me. Let’s see who on the core can be turned into something both regular season and postseason.

Another good example. I was surprised at how they kept spinning their wheels with such a talented roster

 

[notbias]

The answer is no, can't even drag his team to the postseason anymore.

People were putting NYI as a potential contender, but they couldn't even get to the postseason, that just screams bad coaching.

MJ was and still is obsessed with winning. If you want to make that comparison, Matthews needs to be that obsessed with winning too.

Do you know if he is or isn't? What's he like in person? Where do you guys normally hang?

 

[saltming]

Sounds about right. I was really referring to Keefe being Dubas' coach on multiple occasions (OHL, AHL, NHL) and Shanahan endorsing Dubas upon the latter's firing of Babcock. I'd be somewhat surprised if Keefe gets the axe soon while Dubas (and potentially even Shanahan) remains.

OK gotcha there.
If loyalty trumps team then 100% he' or they've got to go

 

[notbias]

Florida was spinning their wheels as well until coach Q came in. The Panthers never had bad players but couldn’t seem to figure it out. Even though Q had to resign due to the Chicago situation, his influence and something was instilled in the Panthers you would hope Trotz could bring here. It’s also a great way to examine the core moving forward. Who can cut it at clutch time or not. Why people insist on keeping someone skilled who just ends up on the losing end every time is beyond me. Let’s see who on the core can be turned into something both regular season and postseason.

Do we know it was coach Q who turned them around and kept them turned around even after getting fired? It seems unlikely that his influence would continue without him.

 

[saltming]

MJ was and still is obsessed with winning. If you want to make that comparison, Matthews needs to be that obsessed with winning too.

I think he is

 

[57 Years No Cup]

the one who makes the decisions.

Can't have Trotz working under him. It would be like Babcock all over again. If you ship out keefe you ship out dubas at the same time. It's the only way.

Otherwise keep'em both and let them go down with the ship.

The ship already sunk. 6 years in a row.

 

[saltming]

The answer is no, can't even drag his team to the postseason anymore.

People were putting NYI as a potential contender, but they couldn't even get to the postseason, that just screams bad coaching.



Do you know if he is or isn't? What's he like in person? Where do you guys normally hang?

The talent here VS long Island is miles apart. You can only build so much with limited material.
Here he would have a wealth to work with

 

[Rude Dog]

How is this a question???? 100% Absolutely YES.

Be careful what you ask for. There is no guarantee he will get them over the hump but you are guaranteed a boring as hell hockey team to watch 82 games a year. Boring and a cup winner. Hell yeah. Boring and 1st round knock out. Jesus.

 

[Trapper]

Another good example. I was surprised at how they kept spinning their wheels with such a talented roster

The Panthers won the division and their first playoff series since 1996.
Also the players need accountability moving forward. Getting a coach changed or a player traded is the way to say what won’t be accepted.
If not, who even cares about the Cup if you can just get paid 10 million and always lose.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I just don't see Dubas firing Keefe unless he's given an "either he goes or you go" ultimatum from above.

Keefe is Dubas' guy and he's sticking with him.

Thwn this is what needs to be said to Dubas:

 

[Omar23]

Didn’t Trotz coached the Caps to President Trophy before winning the Cup.
I think he knows how to manage talents and bring the best out of them.

What would trots do when nylander wont even attempt to battle for a loose puck. Don’t see the fit. But I’d like too