Should the Leafs make front office changes?

[Mickey Marner]

Probably only everyone in the front office should be fired.

 

[keonsbitterness]

GM should’ve been gone last season



what setback ? getting swept in the first round.

That hasn't happened since 1981 to the Islanders. Now THAT was an ugly series -- outscored 20-4 in a best-of-5. I was at game 3.

 

[Morbo]

Really didn't like Keefe's post-game presser last night and all the talk of earning Tampa's respect and losing a close series to a great team. Felt like a guy massaging the BS narrative that they were underdogs and should take pride in the moral victory of "hanging in there with the Champs."

expect more of the same from Dubas at his presser

 

[BrannigansLaw]

No. Just keep doing the same thing. I like getting eliminated in the first round every year. Feels great.

expect more of the same from Dubas at his presser

Yeah I wonder what he’ll say his plan is this off-season. Wasn’t it supposed to be to address the killer instinct in the locker room? Did a real great job of that with the acquisitions of Ritchie and Mrazek. That really helped.

 

[Brown Dog]

expect more of the same from Dubas at his presser

Yeah, I hope not but we'll see. Keefe sounded like a guy going into self-preservation mode by selling the idea that they accomplished something just by not getting embarrassed on their way to yet another early exit.

 

[Gabriel426]

With Pens choking a 3-1 lead, I know Sid is hurt. Maybe it is time to get make the Kawhi style trade.
Change the coach to Trotz, trade for Sid(lets Pens make a pick between JT, Marner or Willie plus) and ask Sid to convince MAF to play for league minimum.

 

[keonsbitterness]

With Pens choking a 3-1 lead, I know Sid is hurt. Maybe it is time to get make the Kawhi style trade.
Change the coach to Trotz, trade for Sid(lets Pens make a pick between JT, Marner or Willie plus) and ask Sid to convince MAF to play for league minimum.

Malkin might leave Pittsburgh. Don't think Sid ever will.

 

[PromisedLand]

The "Shanaplan" is about to head into its 8th year. A project that was designed to create a sustainable, consistent contender every year, has failed.

I see a lot of people excusing the Leafs defeat because it was against a "really good" Tampa team, yet this deep into the project, the Leafs should also be a "really good" team.

You could argue changes could be at all levels - on the ice, behind the bench, in the press box, and at the board level.

It should all be on the table. Absolutely 0 reason to be married to anyone not named Auston Matthews at this stage

I would argue that this tampa team is not the same tampa team that won 2 cups. This team is a lot weaker than the team that won the cups.

Dubas is the only GM in the league that tried to "re-invent" hockey because he thought he is hockey Einstein who will change the hockey landscape and has failed in spectacular fashion. Not only has he failed but has ruined the leafs future by throwing away draft picks for 1st round exits.

The moment dubas handed out those overpayments the fate of this team was sealed. Either 50% of the cap show up and carry the team in the playoffs OR leafs luck out with their pocket change UFAs they acquired. Rinse and Repeat every year.

Whats enraging and frustrating is Shanahan allowed a freakin' rookie to carry out his experiment on MLSE and Leafs fans' dime.

No more! Period! New vision, new voice and new direction come what may. This team is never going to get it done.

We do not have a point shot on PP, we do not have a #1 goalie, we do not have a true #1D; the 50% of the cap forwards are just not good enough to carry this team to the cup. Hell they can't even get past the 1st round.

This team can be defined as 4 forwards for 50% of the cap; ok d-men and patch work. This is not how you build a contending team.

 

[steam whistle]

I actually wanted casting the vote of 1&3
Replace coach
And fire president but no such options

 

[Gabriel426]

Malkin might leave Pittsburgh. Don't think Sid ever will.

Well Wayne left. I know it was because PP didn't want to pay Wayne and others. Pens is not that good financially and always look for new owners. Sid is not young and is owe 8.7mil for another 4-5 years. MM is young, a top 10 player in the league that the team can build around plus although his caphit is close to 11mil, his real salary is like 6mil after July 1, 2022. Maybe Leafs will sign Malkin for league minimum too.

 

[steam whistle]

Well Wayne left. I know it was because PP didn't want to pay Wayne and others. Pens is not that good financially and always look for new owners. Sid is not young and is owe 8.7mil for another 4-5 years. MM is young, a top 10 player in the league that the team can build around plus although his caphit is close to 11mil, his real salary is like 6mil after July 1, 2022. Maybe Leafs will sign Malkin for league minimum too.

Get rid of your dreams, Malkin won't sign here at all for minimum.

 

[Morbo]

No. Just keep doing the same thing. I like getting eliminated in the first round every year. Feels great.



Yeah I wonder what he’ll say his plan is this off-season. Wasn’t it supposed to be to address the killer instinct in the locker room? Did a real great job of that with the acquisitions of Ritchie and Mrazek. That really helped.

I think the lack of cap space those two moves caused contributed to killing us. a bit more room might have given us another support scorer on the bottom lines at the deadline.

I'm not much of a fan of might have beens, but another goal or two could have been enough to defeat Tampa.

 

[Gabriel426]

Get rid of your dreams, Malkin won't sign here at all for minimum.

Are you saying Sid will come, lol

 

[Morbo]

Yeah, I hope not but we'll see. Keefe sounded like a guy going into self-preservation mode by selling the idea that they accomplished something just by not getting embarrassed on their way to yet another early exit.

yeah it was cringey.

In some small way I feel a bit bad for Dubas because there's absolutely nothing he can possibly say right now that will get a positive reaction in these circumstances. no matter what it is it will be jeered at.

having said that, what would you really expect other than yeah we tried real hard and fell short and we're going to build on this and be super better and killer instinct next year.

I mean what else is he gonna say but cliches?

 

[Gabriel426]

yeah it was cringey.

In some small way I feel a bit bad for Dubas because there's absolutely nothing he can possibly say right now that will get a positive reaction in these circumstances. no matter what it is it will be jeered at.

having said that, what would you really expect other than yeah we tried real hard and fell short and we're going to build on this and be super better and killer instinct next year.

I mean what else is he gonna say but cliches?

Honestly, I think if Dubas or Keefe came out and say something like we just werent good enough and the players know it. We need to be better, getting close means nothing, bc we need to get it done....then hint at the boys not only need to play better than the other team but needed a lot more-a subtle dig at refs and leagues. That will be much better than trying to move the goal post or saying they did well enough. Like you said, nomatter what they say, they will get flame, so why not just say the stuff that are on everyone's mind and get it over with.

 

[steam whistle]

Are you saying Sid will come, lol

I am speechless.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Would be interested to see if Florida dusts Tampa easily how that changes the Narrative.

 

[Morbo]

Honestly, I think if Dubas or Keefe came out and say something like we just werent good enough and the players know it. We need to be better, getting close means nothing, bc we need to get it done....then hint at the boys not only need to play better than the other team but needed a lot more-a subtle dig at refs and leagues. That will be much better than trying to move the goal post or saying they did well enough. Like you said, nomatter what they say, they will get flame, so why not just say the stuff that are on everyone's mind and get it over with.

I can pretty much guarantee Dubas isn't going to blame the refs or the league even if he's thinking it. For The Weasel always has His Eye and Ear upon all. And He does not appreciate being criticized. The Leafs would quickly be forking over a large cheque to the league for such comments, and they do enough of that sort of thing already for my taste.

The rest of what you said is pretty much the cliches I was speaking of. but you're right in the sense that the way you worded them might be more satisfying to the ear.

 

[Stephen]

I kinda think Tampa's run might have an impact on how MLSE views this as a speed bump or a dead end...

 

[Craigo85]

If you bet against the Leafs in the last 10 elimination games they could have won, and then let it ride after each time they lost ...you'd have roughly the following:

$100 gets you $102,400
$500 gets you $512,000

Just tells you how low the odds are of something like this happening. I know all of this management hasn't been here the whole time but you can't just say this is bad luck and we'll get it next year, that's been said for too long.

*for math simplicity I just used a 50% expected win rate ... Not sure what the specific Vegas odds were historically. Would have been lower in some and much higher in others (like the Habs)

 

[Brown Dog]

Honestly, I think if Dubas or Keefe came out and say something like we just werent good enough and the players know it. We need to be better, getting close means nothing, bc we need to get it done....then hint at the boys not only need to play better than the other team but needed a lot more-a subtle dig at refs and leagues. That will be much better than trying to move the goal post or saying they did well enough. Like you said, nomatter what they say, they will get flame, so why not just say the stuff that are on everyone's mind and get it over with.

He's not going to come out naming players that let us down or giving specifics about the offseason game plan, which doesn't leave much other than clichés and platitudes.

 

[Brown Dog]

If you bet against the Leafs in the last 10 elimination games they could have won, and then let it ride after each time they lost ...you'd have roughly the following:

$100 gets you $102,400
$500 gets you $512,000

Just tells you how low the odds are of something like this happening. I know all of this management hasn't been here the whole time but you can't just say this is bad luck and we'll get it next year, that's been said for too long.

*for math simplicity I just used a 50% expected win rate ... Not sure what the specific Vegas odds were historically. Would have been lower in some and much higher in others (like the Habs)

Yeah, 0-10 in elimination games is a crazy stat. In some ways it's so improbable as to be inexplicable. In other ways it's the ultimate indictment of this team's (loser) identity and demands an explanation.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Where is the "all of the above" option?

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Would be interested to see if Florida dusts Tampa easily how that changes the Narrative.

"It's only because Toronto wore them down first."

 

[6ix]

This is why I kind want to see Florida sweep Tampa. The narrative in the media is “oh they lost to the back to back champs in game 7”

But if Florida goes out and sweeps Tampa it would erase that narrative and show we weren’t close to anything, and hopefully Dubas and Keefe are immediately fired.

It’s a complete long shot but I’ll take anything to move on from Dubas and Keefe and their loser “handshake respect” mentality.